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The play down the stretch where he hounded McCollum, knocked the ball away from him which caused CJ to go into the backcourt to get it, then when he brought it up again Fournier knocked it away a second time, this time getting on the floor to get it to Tatum for an easy two, was his best play as a Celtic.
 

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I will happily say I see improvement. I am still not seeing the best EF can be. But Better.

The Defensive stand that @Kliq mentions was noteworthy, But I dont think any of us are expecting that on an ongoing basis.

He still gets blown by alot. But Certainly Glad to see the haze is clearing somewhat.

And I know I took alot of Flack but posts 51 and 52 cement my point. WHY WAS HE PLAYING Because when he was in there he Sucked (Seems like we know why....but he sucked). Getting a guy who has depth perception and Light issues "time to mesh with the team" is not smart. Maybe it WAS CBS. Maybe it WAS Ainge. Regardless no way a guy with "Concussion like" symptoms should have been getting 35 mins a game.
 

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BS. there is plenty of time to "GET HIM READY FOR THE PLAYOFFS".

Thats weak sauce from a smart group.
 

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BS. there is plenty of time to "GET HIM READY FOR THE PLAYOFFS".

Thats weak sauce from a smart group.
100% agree.

Play Fournier small minutes (if at all). Not that hard to scale his minutes up, they do it all the time with players coming back with injuries.

Blurry vision? Bright light sensitivity? Focus/Depth perception issues? Concussion symptoms? YIKES :rolleyes:

Once again Coaching or Executives or Training Staff Malpractice, they have completely lost the plot. We are sweeping more and more under the carpet with this group. I've been a huge Brad supporter for years, but seeing some bizarre decisions and even more bizarre rationalizations around here.
 
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Yeah the idea that he isn't constantly checking with the medical staff is silly. And ramping up from an ankle sprain is not at all like returning for COVID as we've seen throughout the season.

The Celtics are handling Evan well, he needs to play so long as he is medically cleared to do so. He has an agent and his own doctors without a doubt who have no incentive to let him play if there is even mild risk.
 

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His play last night was such an improvement that I can't help thinking that playing him has been the right thing to do.
 

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OK, we're back to not counting defense. The poor guy has been a turnstile (he's a much better defender than he has shown these 6 games)

No one is questioning if he's checking with the training staff. It's the decision to run him out there for 30+ mpg when he has blurry vision, bright light sensitivity, focus/depth perception issues, and concussion symptoms. Not a fan of how they are handling him.

20mpg would get him familiar enough until he is symptom-free. The extra 10+ minutes between him and Nesmith isn't worth it
 

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OK, we're back to not counting defense. The poor guy has been a turnstile (he's a much better defender than he has shown these 6 games)

No one is questioning if he's checking with the training staff. It's the decision to run him out there for 30+ mpg when he has blurry vision, bright light sensitivity, focus/depth perception issues, and concussion symptoms. Not a fan of how they are handling him.

20mpg would get him familiar enough until he is symptom-free. The extra 10+ minutes between him and Nesmith isn't worth it
If he can still go 10/11 or whatever with all those symptoms they should play him as much as he can go, no? Relatedly, this is maybe a very dumb question with an obvious answer but is it clear that 30 minutes is worse for his symptoms than 20 minutes? Like, what is the best way to ramp someone back up after COVID?
 

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If he can still go 10/11 or whatever with all those symptoms they should play him as much as he can go, no? Relatedly, this is maybe a very dumb question with an obvious answer but is it clear that 30 minutes is worse for his symptoms than 20 minutes? Like, what is the best way to ramp someone back up after COVID?
sure 10, 15, 20 whatever you like to get him familiar/ramp-up

Starting and playing 32mins while he's suffering from all that seems not great for him or the team defense.
 

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There are 2 weeks and 7 games left in the regular season. Fournier has only played 10 games with the team. How is it weak sauce to suggest that maybe they're doing this to maximize his reps with the team before the playoffs? From both a chemistry standpoint, and a pure conditioning one.

This isn't an actual concussion, while the symptoms sound terrible, as others have said, he wouldn't be out there if the medical staff thought it'd be doing more harm. If these are symptoms are somehow related to conditioning, then how do we know trying to play through it isn't the right treatment?
 

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There are 2 weeks and 7 games left in the regular season. Fournier has only played 10 games with the team. How is it weak sauce to suggest that maybe they're doing this to maximize his reps with the team before the playoffs? From both a chemistry standpoint, and a pure conditioning one.

This isn't an actual concussion, while the symptoms sound terrible, as others have said, he wouldn't be out there if the medical staff thought it'd be doing more harm. If these are symptoms are somehow related to conditioning, then how do we know trying to play through it isn't the right treatment?
Nobody is sure of anything when it comes to COVID, totally agree. Plus team and training staff have done an exceptional job when it comes to the prevention/handling of COVID compared to other NBA clubs. Does anyone have the inhaler handy for our franchise player?

Evan looked pretty slow/groggy on the floor to me. I think 30+ minutes of PT is aggressive, just so he can look lost on D. But I guess those extra minutes are vital for their playoff run.

The entire season has pretty much been a tire fire, just one more radial to throw on the pile.
 
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I believe its weak sauce if your running a player out there who is less then 100% to acclimate to the team.
So if he is step slow. Being with the starters will familiarize them with EFs play speed?
If he shot wasnt falling the Starters would "begin trusting" EF when it counted?
If EFs subpar D is even more on display because he is winded that will make the cohesive Team Defense better?
Does EF throwing the ball to No One (which happened at least 4 times over 2 games....huh maybe because of admitted blurry vision) help integrate him into the starters?

I am not saying bench him for the season. But there was a 2-3 game stretch where he was by far the worst player getting more then 10 mins a game.

Sitting him those 3 or 2 of those three would not have put his "Playoff comfort with the starters" in jeapordy.

Saying "well he is playing better so it musta worked" is a straw man argument. If they had sat him and let Romeo or Revelation Nesmith have those mins MAYBE the young'uns get better for the playoffs. And MAYBE we win one of those games (which you know....helps the standings).

Playing GOOD EF has never been a question. Playing Bad/sick/suffering EF is.

He could have sat til Tomorrow come in and had plenty of mins over the last 5 games.

60 mins of bad EF is not going to make or break his integration to this team. But 60 mins of bad basketball could have put us closer to the play in game, Which almost everyone of us has said is Very bad.

Like @benhogan I am shocked at the rationalizations about this. Maybe its just a knee jerk at me for starting the thread.
 

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I think to me it is simple...
In a complicated recovery situation I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the professionals who have shown no reason to doubt their ability/interest in doing what is best for the player and team's long term outlook.

I haven't seen a good argument from anyone in this thread for why Fournier shouldn't have been playing beyond "it might have given them slightly better play for his minutes in 2-3 games". I don't care about 10-20 slightly better (but not necessarily) minutes in a few games, and I don't think the Celtics do either, they care about following the process they lay out with the player, coach, medical and training staff that they think will help get Fournier back from COVID in the best way possible going into the more important games.

I don't think it's "rationalizing" anything to say.... "I don't assume I know better than a whole bunch of people who have been getting paid for a long time because they are elite at this" on this issue. There are areas I have no issue judging on, things like strategy choice, etc. I just think the knee jerk "oh they're screwing up by having Fournier play so many minutes in building back up from COVID" is something that:
1. I don't think I have the information or skills to determine
2. I don't think any of the people in this thread have any idea on either. I trust this no more than I trust when someone is a thread tells me what injury they think a player had (unless of course it's one of the doctors on the board).
 

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I think to me it is simple...
In a complicated recovery situation I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the professionals who have shown no reason to doubt their ability/interest in doing what is best for the player and team's long term outlook.

I haven't seen a good argument from anyone in this thread for why Fournier shouldn't have been playing beyond "it might have given them slightly better play for his minutes in 2-3 games". I don't care about 10-20 slightly better (but not necessarily) minutes in a few games, and I don't think the Celtics do either, they care about following the process they lay out with the player, coach, medical and training staff that they think will help get Fournier back from COVID in the best way possible going into the more important games.

I don't think it's "rationalizing" anything to say.... "I don't assume I know better than a whole bunch of people who have been getting paid for a long time because they are elite at this" on this issue. There are areas I have no issue judging on, things like strategy choice, etc. I just think the knee jerk "oh they're screwing up by having Fournier play so many minutes in building back up from COVID" is something that:
1. I don't think I have the information or skills to determine
2. I don't think any of the people in this thread have any idea on either. I trust this no more than I trust when someone is a thread tells me what injury they think a player had (unless of course it's one of the doctors on the board).
My standard reply to the yield to authority thought process:
I've known people/organizations, 100X smarter than basketball coaches, who have made incredibly stupid decisions.

I have zero issues with @bakahump or anybody questioning Brad or the Celtics especially after EF's ongoing health issues came out.
 

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My standard reply to the yield to authority thought process:
I've known people/organizations, 100X smarter than basketball coaches, who have made incredibly stupid decisions.

I have zero issues with @bakahump or anybody questioning Brad or the Celtics especially after EF's ongoing health issues came out.
I don't have a problem with it, but I don't think it's a particularly compelling argument. I don't think there is any question that they cared more about getting him time on the court and I think it's the right move.

I do have a problem with the idea that people are rationalizing away some big issue. Or in particular, your argument that this was coaching, medical and training malpractice.

They aren't, they simply don't think that there is any problem with the approach of letting Fournier play through it, and that if there is even a moderate chance it improves his ability to play the minutes you want him to in the playoffs it's a smart decision.

As to the malpractice... he doesn't have a concussion, he has some intermittent symptoms that are similar, but unless there is a medical reason to think that playing will in any way harm him, letting him play is far from malpractice.

Edit- my issue is with the leap to the idea that the Celtics are doing something wrong based on zero evidence, instead of the argument (which can be made) that they should have prioritized winning in those 3 games over developing Fournier's return.
 

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He has played 278 minutes with the team, over the rest of the season, IF they stay aggressive with his minutes, he'll add ~200+ MP to that. Sixty minutes sounds like nothing but absolutely has value to me in that context, that's 15% of what his total playing time with the team will be. And even if he's not 100%, practice/playing at less than 100% is part of professional sports.

It's easy to say in hindsight that his performance cost them in those few games, but don't you want that happening earlier rather than later? As well as him dealing with and hopefully overcoming any short term stamina issues. Time is very short here.
 

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Thanks for posting. Always thought if I were a reporter, I'd ask something more than, "How do you feel" or "What are you feeling" but I guess I'd never get a story printed.

As for NG playing, one thing that hasn't been mentioned is that he thought he needed to play. Maybe the 35 minutes he played against OKC was too much but other thann that game, his minutes didn't cost the Cs any wins.
 

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Really, really want Fournier to re-sign. His skillset fixes so many of the issues that the offense has had since Hayward left (first due to injury in the playoffs and then in FA).
 

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Really, really want Fournier to re-sign. His skillset fixes so many of the issues that the offense has had since Hayward left (first due to injury in the playoffs and then in FA).
He's an even better fit than I expected, and I'm not sure we've seen him at 100 percent yet.
 

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He's an even better fit than I expected, and I'm not sure we've seen him at 100 percent yet.
I like what I’ve seen from him offensively and agree it’s unlikely we’ve seen his best ( at least on any sustained level) but I’m worried about the D. He seems slow footed on his man and in rotations in a way that doesn’t look effort related...but the eyes can be fooled for a player getting his wind back and likely learning the D
 

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I like what I’ve seen from him offensively and agree it’s unlikely we’ve seen his best ( at least on any sustained level) but I’m worried about the D. He seems slow footed on his man and in rotations in a way that doesn’t look effort related...but the eyes can be fooled for a player getting his wind back and likely learning the D
My impression so far (and from when he was with Orlando) is that he'll be a negative, but not a huge one.

I think his perceived slow-footedness has more to do with the way he moves; it's a bit old-man-ish. He's not uber-quick, but doesn't seem like a turnstile
 

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My standard reply to the yield to authority thought process:
I've known people/organizations, 100X smarter than basketball coaches, who have made incredibly stupid decisions.

I have zero issues with @bakahump or anybody questioning Brad or the Celtics especially after EF's ongoing health issues came out.
Except this involves more than the coach, or the Celtics organization. Unless you think that Fournier has no agents, friends, doctors or family. What do we actually know? We actually know he was playing. And we know what his symptoms were. So I think we can assume that none of those people (or anyone else) said, "playing will be physically bad for him." (make him sicker; delay his full recovery, etc.) They might have said, "Brad, he's gonna suck at basketball, but it MIGHT help his medical condition improve, and we dont think it will make his medical condition worse." If you dont think that trade-off is worth it, that's fair. But your underlying assumption goes far beyond pushing back at "yield to authority."
 

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My impression so far (and from when he was with Orlando) is that he'll be a negative, but not a huge one.

I think his perceived slow-footedness has more to do with the way he moves; it's a bit old-man-ish. He's not uber-quick, but doesn't seem like a turnstile
The T-shirt under the jersey adds to the middle-aged-man-at-the-Y effect.
 

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Except this involves more than the coach, or the Celtics organization. Unless you think that Fournier has no agents, friends, doctors or family. What do we actually know? We actually know he was playing. And we know what his symptoms were. So I think we can assume that none of those people (or anyone else) said, "playing will be physically bad for him." (make him sicker; delay his full recovery, etc.) They might have said, "Brad, he's gonna suck at basketball, but it MIGHT help his medical condition improve, and we dont think it will make his medical condition worse." If you dont think that trade-off is worth it, that's fair. But your underlying assumption goes far beyond pushing back at "yield to authority."
35mpg (OKC) to a more deliberate 20mpg (Spurs) the first 2 weeks back is what I wanted. Usage scaled up as his rubber legs returned. So I'm questioning Brad's use of him when he couldn't play defense/shoot and had health issues that were not yet made public. I'm probably guilty of hand-wringing over a player I like and can play a big part in the playoffs. Fournier's post-COVID effects sound like something neurological, and I'm always going to side on nurture over nature in that situation.

I doubt Evan's "friends & family" had any say in his minutes played during the OKC game, unless we can assume some more hypothetical conversations to put in quotes.

My Brad/team pushback isn't that strong...I've had much stronger takes ;)

Really, really want Fournier to re-sign. His skillset fixes so many of the issues that the offense has had since Hayward left (first due to injury in the playoffs and then in FA).
Yea, you have been advocating for an off-ball shooter for a while and we all can see the benefit to the team/Jays. Plus EF's defense will be much improved with health. It's a shame Danny couldn't unload Kemba last summer and retain Hayward, I'm sure he tried.

This may freak some out but I could see EF's fit being better w/JayRob than Kemba and Smart in the years to come.
 
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35mpg (OKC) to a more deliberate 20mpg (Spurs) the first 2 weeks back is what I wanted. Usage scaled up as his rubber legs returned. So I'm questioning Brad's use of him when he couldn't play defense/shoot and had health issues that were not yet made public. I'm probably guilty of hand-wringing over a player I like and can play a big part in the playoffs. Fournier's post-COVID effects sound like something neurological, and I'm always going to side on nurture over nature in that situation.

My Brad/team pushback isn't that strong...I've had much stronger takes ;)


Yea, you have been advocating for an off-ball shooter for a while and we all can see the benefit to the team/Jays. Plus EF's defense will be much improved with health. It's a shame Danny couldn't unload Kemba last summer and retain Hayward, I'm sure he tried.

This may freak some out but I could see EF's fit being better w/JayRob than Kemba and Smart in the years to come.
I don't think EF being a better fit than Kemba and Smart is a super-hot take. The thing is though, if you're going to get rid of the latter two, you need to find a way to put some real production there. Maybe Smart's value is high enough still that this is doable.

Also, you're not gonna like it, but I think there's a good chance Kemba is back next year. If there's no impact guy on the trade market, they're probably a better regular season team if they keep his offense, and it's wayyyy easier to dump his contract when it has one year left.
 

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I don't think EF being a better fit than Kemba and Smart is a super-hot take. The thing is though, if you're going to get rid of the latter two, you need to find a way to put some real production there. Maybe Smart's value is high enough still that this is doable.

Also, you're not gonna like it, but I think there's a good chance Kemba is back next year. If there's no impact guy on the trade market, they're probably a better regular season team if they keep his offense, and it's wayyyy easier to dump his contract when it has one year left.
As a 1 or 2 scoring option Kemba will put up POINTZ!, so he may get them something small in return (esp with no FAs available).

After COVID season, next year is when this team can have real Championship aspirations. My bar for this team's future playoff improvement by replacing Kemba's defense is pretty low. As far as regular-season Kemba goes, his knee has looked better the last 2 months, and he's helpful against bad/poorly coached teams that don't hunt him. I just don't trust the wear on Kemba's tires, next season the Celtics will be entering peak Jays (they will be even better on offense). PLUS is Fournier a better off-ball scoring threat than Kemba? I think so.

Why risk having a MAX guy (that will even be more marginalized as the 4th scoring option) when they could easily improve the teams' defense by replacing him?
 

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35mpg (OKC) to a more deliberate 20mpg (Spurs) the first 2 weeks back is what I wanted. Usage scaled up as his rubber legs returned. So I'm questioning Brad's use of him when he couldn't play defense/shoot and had health issues that were not yet made public. I'm probably guilty of hand-wringing over a player I like and can play a big part in the playoffs. Fournier's post-COVID effects sound like something neurological, and I'm always going to side on nurture over nature in that situation.
Remember, against OKC, they didn't have JT, TL, or KW. I'm sure Brad wasn't planning on playing NG 35 minutes against OKC, but he looks down the bench and tries to find a scorer, he probably thought he had no other choice (remember, this was pre-metamorphisized Nesmith) if he wanted to win. Particularly when Marcus misses his first nine 3Ps.

OKC was a clusterbomb in any number of ways.
 

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Remember, against OKC, they didn't have JT, TL, or KW. I'm sure Brad wasn't planning on playing NG 35 minutes against OKC, but he looks down the bench and tries to find a scorer, he probably thought he had no other choice (remember, this was pre-metamorphisized Nesmith) if he wanted to win. Particularly when Marcus misses his first nine 3Ps.

OKC was a clusterbomb in any number of ways.
Agreed it was a clusterfuck and the EF 35mins was one of them.

The C's gave up 41 4th quarter points because the poor guy (EF) could barely stand.
 
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The C's gave up 41 4th quarter points because the poor guy (EF) could barely stand.
I don't remember the OKC game all that well and I'm not going back to watch it. I do remember the breakaway dunk EF missed. At the time, we all attributed it to lack of legs - i.e., lack of game time.

Also from the box score, EF had the highest +/- of the Cs in the 4Q. I thought the Cs lost more because JB and JT went 2-18 from 3P for the first 40-odd minutes of the game.

Plenty of blame to go around in that game though.
 

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EF starting to look like a significant asset. Perhaps Danny and CBS had this under control all along
 

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EF starting to look like a significant asset. Perhaps Danny and CBS had this under control all along
In this shitshow of a season, there have been some positives: Tatum and Brown, Pritchard, Nesmith's emergence, Time Lord (on those rare occasions that he's healthy), and Fournier's offense.
 
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EF starting to look like a significant asset. Perhaps Danny and CBS had this under control all along
In the 5 games he’s been back in the starting lineup we’ve given up 70+ first half points in 3 of them. This passes my eye test. He defends as if it’s a 11am shoot around. I do agree he’s the shooter we’ve been lacking but paired with Kemba in the backcourt it’s no wonder why teams can get clean 3-point looks whenever they want.
 

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In the 5 games he’s been back in the starting lineup we’ve given up 70+ first half points in 3 of them. This passes my eye test. He defends as if it’s a 11am shoot around. I do agree he’s the shooter we’ve been lacking but paired with Kemba in the backcourt it’s no wonder why teams can get clean 3-point looks whenever they want.
What's the excuse the rest of the year when Kemba and or EF weren't playing? 3 point d has been horrid all season.
 

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What's the excuse the rest of the year when Kemba and or EF weren't playing? 3 point d has been horrid all season.
It’s actually been pretty much league average for the year. Opp shooting 37.4% vs league of 36.7%.

The last 5 games, Opp have shot......
16-35
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In the 5 games he’s been back in the starting lineup we’ve given up 70+ first half points in 3 of them. This passes my eye test. He defends as if it’s a 11am shoot around. I do agree he’s the shooter we’ve been lacking but paired with Kemba in the backcourt it’s no wonder why teams can get clean 3-point looks whenever they want.
I'd say EF still has rubbery legs (post-COVID), a hair slow on defending dribble drives. Kemba is a bigger problem defensively. Whenever Miami needed a quality possession in the halfcourt they (Butler/Ariza) posted Kemba, when the C's doubled it was kicked and an open step-in 3 was easily had. As we know that's a very efficient shot.

When we get out of the drudgery of the regular season and coaches start game-planning they will relentlessly attack Kemba in the halfcourt (like Spo did today). Besides that Kemba kind of floats around, looking for charges or jumping into passing lanes since he doesn't challenge shots on the perimeter or at the rim. Not much discipline.

I've been a Marcus Smart stan for years but the truth is he's slower and more grounded this season, pretty pedestrian defensively.
 

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I'd say EF still has rubbery legs (post-COVID), a hair slow on defending dribble drives. Kemba is a bigger problem defensively.
I won’t argue about Kemba being a problem especially in the playoffs but those slow legs EF has shown here are the same slow legs he’s shown for years in Orlando. Now, put them together and you aren’t even competitive on that end of the floor. If we manage to escape the play-in game this will be a problem in a longer series.
 

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I won’t argue about Kemba being a problem especially in the playoffs but those slow legs EF has shown here are the same slow legs he’s shown for years in Orlando. Now, put them together and you aren’t even competitive on that end of the floor. If we manage to escape the play-in game this will be a problem in a longer series.
I'm pretty sure the Celtics problems will be short-lived in the playoffs o_O
 

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He sometimes makes up for it with an aggressive catch-up wrap-around steal. That doesn't fully make up for his lack of quickness, but it is entertaining to see.