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sezwho

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A lot of people agree that he missed the mark trying to do a sports show when his strength has always been music. If Rich had instead centered it around music, maybe mixed in sports at times, talked about new bands (who wouldn't love to have an informed host talk about newcomers he'd seen?), and developed new comedy bits that played to his show's strengths, that might have been something.
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Love the local music angle, I would bet there is an audience for that. This is a very concise description of what still might work for Rich, you might be Recovering Full Prof one day : )

Its an epic face plant but its not like his career is over. To kind of make a BS (the Simmons kind) analogy, even Bill eventually realized his talents don't lie in front of the camera. Its not necessarily a talent thing, its a horses for courses thing.
 

Andy Merchant

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I don't know, the more information I see and hear makes me think the split was just as much Rich's fault as it was Fred's. Everyone at the station appears to have shunned Rich when he left, and no one stands up for him when they take subtle or non subtle shots. Wallach said he (Rich) never reached out to him, same with Nick and Adolfo. Nick has even written here how much better the work environment is now compared to how it was.

I'm sure they both have a ton of blame in the split, but I'm not sure how much I can agree with the whole "Well Fred was so terrible to work with so he must be at fault"
I didn't intend to imply that the split was 100% Fred's fault, I meant that Rich probably had enough of Fred after his various issues and he was done with Fred either way. I'm not sure I've heard anyone involved with the show come down on Rich's side and the fact that Adolpho hadn't spoken to Rich in years surprised the hell out of me.
 

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I remember a few years ago (maybe it was after Rich invited everyone but Fred to a Bruins game and Fred admitted he was hurt by it. He then went on to say its not really a big deal, because him and Rich were never really friends off air, ever. That surprised me.
 

Hal Waffid

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I remember a few years ago (maybe it was after Rich invited everyone but Fred to a Bruins game and Fred admitted he was hurt by it. He then went on to say its not really a big deal, because him and Rich were never really friends off air, ever. That surprised me.
I remember that; I thought it was passive-aggressive but I also remember that I didn't totally blame him because that was during one of Fred's difficult periods. I do think they were actually friends at one point, like during the BCN days and at the start of TSH. I remember reading in a multi-page kind of obscure radio news thing talking about their success Rich saying it worked because they were genuinely friends (I was obsessed with T&R and I sought out stuff like that).
 

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I didn't intend to imply that the split was 100% Fred's fault, I meant that Rich probably had enough of Fred after his various issues and he was done with Fred either way. I'm not sure I've heard anyone involved with the show come down on Rich's side and the fact that Adolpho hadn't spoken to Rich in years surprised the hell out of me.
Don’t want to be a broken record here, but anyone associated with the show is dependent on a petulant and infantile boss in Fred.

Your job on the show is to take his shots and it basically works (think I’ve had enough ear tumor and poop humor for a bit but whatever).

They are either true believers or good pretenders, but the idea someone crosses Fred? The result would be predictable.
 

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Don’t want to be a broken record here, but anyone associated with the show is dependent on a petulant and infantile boss in Fred.

Your job on the show is to take his shots and it basically works (think I’ve had enough ear tumor and poop humor for a bit but whatever).

They are either true believers or good pretenders, but the idea someone crosses Fred? The result would be predictable.
That only goes so far. Nick is on the T&H thread speaking about how much better the work environment is now, if he was scared of Fred he wouldn't be on a message board giving inside info. Adolfo has nothing to gain by taking a side when he left the industry years ago. Dan Obrien and Lockhart are both off the show and neither has spoken out despite nothing to lose. Zola has busted Fred's balls for years but his behavior the past few months is reveling in Rich's downfall. Most of the evidence doesn't align with how you choose to view this situation.
 

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Don’t want to be a broken record here, but anyone associated with the show is dependent on a petulant and infantile boss in Fred.

Your job on the show is to take his shots and it basically works (think I’ve had enough ear tumor and poop humor for a bit but whatever).

They are either true believers or good pretenders, but the idea someone crosses Fred? The result would be predictable.
I think you're more right than wrong here.

Nick’s comments re work environment have more to do with Adam 12’s influence as producer as well as Nick’s enjoyment regarding new opportunities that were previously strictly managed during the burgeoning tension that existed in the last year of T&R. It doesn’t sound like it has much to do with Fred.

Like Rich, O’Brien and Lockhart aren’t popping off about the situation. Their level of professionalism stands in stark contrast to Fred and Zo.

People like to tap dance on Rich’s grave here, but let’s be honest… Fred absolutely did enough to be fired. His continued vitriol towards Rich shows a stunning lack of self awareness. Lest we forget, Rich wasn’t the only one who left Fred last year. Methinks he doth protest too much.
 

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I think you're more right than wrong here.

Nick’s comments re work environment have more to do with Adam 12’s influence as producer as well as Nick’s enjoyment regarding new opportunities that were previously strictly managed during the burgeoning tension that existed in the last year of T&R. It doesn’t sound like it has much to do with Fred.

Like Rich, O’Brien and Lockhart aren’t popping off about the situation. Their level of professionalism stands in stark contrast to Fred and Zo.

People like to tap dance on Rich’s grave here, but let’s be honest… Fred absolutely did enough to be fired. His continued vitriol towards Rich shows a stunning lack of self awareness. Lest we forget, Rich wasn’t the only one who left Fred last year. Methinks he doth protest too much.
Go back and see what Nick said when he first came on this forum, before 12 torpedoed another radio station into a format change and got this job :)

He is not personal friends with Rich, and Lockhart said the same last November, that he never had a personal relationship with Rich. I imagine the grandstanding about paying Lockhart's salary made much more of a negative influence than anything Fred has said about a guy who tried to use his wife to get him fired
 

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Go back and see what Nick said when he first came on this forum, before 12 torpedoed another radio station into a format change and got this job :)

He is not personal friends with Rich, and Lockhart said the same last November, that he never had a personal relationship with Rich. I imagine the grandstanding about paying Lockhart's salary made much more of a negative influence than anything Fred has said about a guy who tried to use his wife to get him fired
I would be most interested to hear Lockhart's perspective on things more than anyone. He is now free and clear of the show and had the closest WORKING relationship with Rich. If anyone would have a fair and full insight into everything that has happened, it's him.
 

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The day after the news came out both Fred and Jon said they'd gotten unsolicited celebratory texts from former employees of the show/station.

It's always funny to me how some people on this board want to paint Fred as this horrible tyrant who holds people's livelihoods in the balance and can destroy them at will. Look, he was genuinely shitty for a good 18 months when dealing with rehab/divorce/throat issues all at once, but he also seems to have made friends behind the scenes and created relationships that go beyond the character we get four hours a day.

But here's thing - we don't know these people at all.
 

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But here's thing - we don't know these people at all.
This is the key. I used to be an avid O&A listener and they talked about that a lot. “We are very open on the show but please don’t think you actually know us. We aren’t friends just because you listen.”
 

Hal Waffid

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This is the key. I used to be an avid O&A listener and they talked about that a lot. “We are very open on the show but please don’t think you actually know us. We aren’t friends just because you listen.”
I've been wanting to ask someone this for a long time - what was O&A like? I never listened but T&R used to talk about them a lot. I looked it up and read some stuff and it seems, like awful and mean. I'm clearly missing something.
 

sezwho

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This is the key. I used to be an avid O&A listener and they talked about that a lot. “We are very open on the show but please don’t think you actually know us. We aren’t friends just because you listen.”
That is exactly the point I’m trying to make. I’m not trying to paint anyone as anything. Fred is a funny asshole based upon my own observation, sure, and this grave tap dancing is an another example of the assholery.

Fwiw I think the show ended for 50/50 reasons and Fred was willing to keep working with him which says something.

Again though, I’m definitely not taking anyone’s opinion who serves under Fred for beans, or whose future employment could as well. Is it controversial to call him petulant? Seems like it’s a feature. Side note, wondering if he will blackball Ted or have him on show at some point.
 

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Side note, wondering if he will blackball Ted or have him on show at some point.
For whatever it's worth, last week while dancing on Rich's grave Fred pointed out that he held no ill will against Ted and that he'd be welcome back on 98.5.
 

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Rich posted on Insta that the last full week of the show ranked 5th in morning drive.

Not sure where the prior weeks were ranked, what demo he’s referencing, and if this last week was a bit of a ratings oddity, which definitely happens in radio measurement. But a tough look for ZLX none the less.
 

NDame616

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A response on Twitter summed it up perfectly..."so the mainly music format you argued against was the highest rating week in the show?"
 

Rusty13

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Yeah, Rich is getting dunked on Twitter in particular for this post. But I can understand him trying to come up with SOME positive spin for himself, as he hits the unemployment line.