Shank aka CHB calls out David Price calling out Eck

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I watch my fair share of Yankees games being in NY and from my experience the YES crew have no problem criticizing the team when they do poorly. Kay and the rotating analysts are critical of the team when they need to be and there's no crying from the clubhouse.
 

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you watch/listen/read what Price said and its almost impossible to root for the guy. "Guys from other teams text me all the time"...LOL, Eck kills guys on other teams all the time when they suck.

It feels like Price is saying that the fans and announcers and media should basically all be together as one unit pulling for and helping the team win. Is that how it is in other cities? Idealistically, sure. But I feel like a guy like Price, who has done nothing in this city and who has failed repeatedly in the postseason, is not the guy who should be leading the "don't be tough on the guys" card.

Price isn't the problem on the field (nor has he been a solution), but this team is sorely lacking any kind of karma/identity/fun and he claims to be a team leader. This is the least amount of interest and joy I've had watching the Sox in forever, even in the years when they tanked and were starting AAAA guys every night. I'm not blaming Price for all this, be he is the face I think of when someone asks me why I'm so down on the team
 

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What happened to Price only speaking to the media on the days he pitches? So we basically have a guy on the DL commenting on an analyst who just so happens to be in the HOF, who is in Cooperstown this weekend...Interesting. But hey, the bright side is, since Price spoke up the team has been playing so much better. But according to Price, since Price opened his mouth, Eck has been making more favorable comments on the broadcast..
 

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So Price is annoyed that Eck is not in the locker room very often. Is that why Price has not yet talked to Eck, as he said he wants to? If so, that is a pretty weak excuse. The Red Sox were home for seven games right after the All-Star break (and I think Eck worked all seven games). Price admits he should have acted differently towards Eck on the plane and he knows he should talk to Eck about it, yet ... what? Was he expecting Eck to simply materialize at his locker? Jesus, Price, you don't play in 80% of the games. You have some down time. Make an effort and find Eck yourself. Or forget all that and take responsibility for your actions and tell the media, yeah, that's right, fuck that guy!
 

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I have no issue with Eck saying what he says, it pissing the players off or Price getting in his face. This is all bs Boston media drama...Chicken and Beer 2: Electric Boogaloo.

Never should have been a "story" let alone one lasting this long.
 

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So Price is annoyed that Eck is not in the locker room very often. Is that why Price has not yet talked to Eck, as he said he wants to? If so, that is a pretty weak excuse. The Red Sox were home for seven games right after the All-Star break (and I think Eck worked all seven games). Price admits he should have acted differently towards Eck on the plane and he knows he should talk to Eck about it, yet ... what? Was he expecting Eck to simply materialize at his locker? Jesus, Price, you don't play in 80% of the games. You have some down time. Make an effort and find Eck yourself. Or forget all that and take responsibility for your actions and tell the media, yeah, that's right, fuck that guy!
My assumption is that during that homestand, no one was thinking about the incident on the plane. The story got out, it ran its course, it went away. Eck wasn't seeking Price out, Price wasn't seeking Eck out, it was probably water under the bridge. Story over.

Then, on the recent road trip, CHB re-ignites the flames with his piece and the whole thing blows up bigger than before. The story goes from "Price acted like a dick to Eck" to "clubhouse in turmoil, season falling apart" and Pedroia and Price feel compelled to address the media frenzy to put an end to it. And now we're here. And Shaughnessy sits back cackling at the chaos he's incited.
 

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Price is a tool..Eck isn't in the clubhouse enough, so he is not allowed to do his job and comment on what he sees? What a bunch of crap..and then he says Eck has been less critical lately. How the heck would he know this..does he have someone monitoring every game and relay back what Eck says?
 

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I have no issue with Eck saying what he says, it pissing the players off or Price getting in his face. This is all bs Boston media drama...Chicken and Beer 2: Electric Boogaloo.

Never should have been a "story" let alone one lasting this long.
This is exactly where I am at. I can't figure out for the life of me why we are talking about two grown men arguing on an airplane. For a month. I don't give even the slightest of fucks about how anybody on this team gets along with anyone from the media. This story needs to go away, its absurd.
 

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The wrong side of the bridge....
Price is a tool..Eck isn't in the clubhouse enough, so he is not allowed to do his job and comment on what he sees? What a bunch of crap..and then he says Eck has been less critical lately. How the heck would he know this..does he have someone monitoring every game and relay back what Eck says?
That makes it sound more systematic and conspiratorial than it probably is, but certainly his quotes in the Herald thing suggest that people are transmitting Eck's critiques to the players via text, and that's fanning the flames. A big part of the problem here may be that the players aren't, generally speaking, actually seeing/hearing the broadcasts; they're getting the quotes (presumably just the juiciest/most provocative ones) in text form. And a lot of what Eck says looks worse on paper than it sounded coming out of his mouth, because his delivery, to me anyway, usually expresses a more gentle and sympathetic attitude than the mere words would suggest. It had never actually occurred to me before this mishegas to think of Eckersley as a harsh critic of the players. But maybe that's because I'm hearing him, not reading him.
 

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Now Price wants Eck showing up more and hanging around the locker room?...........Didn't he just tell him to get the F out??
 

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Price's follow up was pathetic. He "probably" could have handled it better, and he wants Eck around not so players can talk things out with him, but so they can tell him "That's not how it's done here." No remorse, no apology, Eck needs to show up so he can take his medicine. And now Eck's doing a better job because he's saying only positive things about the team and players.
 

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I agree that this story ought to die, but unfortunately it seems to be Price himself who has now kept it alive with his foolish follow-up comments. I think the cleverest thing to say in a situation like this would be "I apologize that I lost my temper." You renounce the outburst and avoid the question of who was right on the underlying issue. After that, revert to no comment.
 

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I agree that this story ought to die, but unfortunately it seems to be Price himself who has now kept it alive with his foolish follow-up comments. I think the cleverest thing to say in a situation like this would be "I apologize that I lost my temper." You renounce the outburst and avoid the question of who was right on the underlying issue. After that, revert to no comment.
First the problem was that Price didn't want to talk to the Boston media. Now the problem is that he's talking to the media.

This pretty sensible piece has quotes from his former teammates, all of whom think he's a stand-up dude.

http://www.masslive.com/redsox/index.ssf/2017/07/david_prices_bizarre_2017_bost.html
 

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First the problem was that Price didn't want to talk to the Boston media. Now the problem is that he's talking to the media.

This pretty sensible piece has quotes from his former teammates, all of whom think he's a stand-up dude.

http://www.masslive.com/redsox/index.ssf/2017/07/david_prices_bizarre_2017_bost.html
It also has a quote at the bottom from a tweet he had criticizing Verducci and Hayhurst for their commentary. It's obvious that Price can't handle constructive criticism.
 

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It also has a quote at the bottom from a tweet he had criticizing Verducci and Hayhurst for their commentary. It's obvious that Price can't handle constructive criticism.
A) That is not obvious.
B) Price apologized for that tweet the next day. Plenty of athletes you approve of have shown similar frustration after tough games.
C) You're assuming the criticism from Verducci and Hayhurst was "constructive" — why?
D) There are 2400 other words in the article that run counter to your notions about David Price's character. Anything to say about those?
 

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First the problem was that Price didn't want to talk to the Boston media. Now the problem is that he's talking to the media.

This pretty sensible piece has quotes from his former teammates, all of whom think he's a stand-up dude.

http://www.masslive.com/redsox/index.ssf/2017/07/david_prices_bizarre_2017_bost.html
I never criticized Price for not talking to the media, and I have no criticisms of his general character either. I just think "I will try to get the last word even if it keeps the story alive unnecessarily" is usually a bad strategy. If/when Eckersley does the same (by no means an unthinkable prospect), I will feel the same way.
 

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How the heck would he know this..does he have someone monitoring every game and relay back what Eck says?
Most of the comments relayed to players come from wives, gf and friends. I'm sure whatever is said to the player sounds worse than reality.
 

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What's with the obsession with media? I don't get it. Game threads are rife with comments on O'Brien and/or his color man of the moment. This thread, theoretically about pitching, has devolved into craziness involving a broadcaster.

I can tell you this. If Price had called out something Alex Rodriguez said, no one would be calling him a failed human being.

I've said it before, when Dennis Eckersley, or Jerry Remy or Dave O'Brien start pitching for the team, I'll start giving a shit about them. Why is that wrong?
 

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This thread, theoretically about pitching, has devolved into craziness involving a broadcaster.
This thread was broken out from the general David Price thread. It's not about pitching, theoretically or otherwise; it's about this incident and the ramifications of it. If reading about this stuff irritates you, there's a simple solution
 

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A) That is not obvious.
B) Price apologized for that tweet the next day. Plenty of athletes you approve of have shown similar frustration after tough games.
C) You're assuming the criticism from Verducci and Hayhurst was "constructive" — why?
D) There are 2400 other words in the article that run counter to your notions about David Price's character. Anything to say about those?
Of course it's obvious. He has a history of being sensitive both with Twitter followers and the media.

How do you know I don't "approve" of Price? I think he's a good pitcher and I've never had an issue with him until this situation.

Hayhurst said he should've been lifted from the game sooner because he didn't have it that day. His pitching line says as much. How is that anything other than constructive criticism?

I don't think Price is a bad guy and those teammates say as much. I just have issues with how he's handled these kinds of situations. To most people with ears and reading comprehension skills, it's apparent he's thin skinned and doesn't like anybody that criticizes him or his teammates. His response yesterday was embarrassing. So if you don't go into the clubhouse you can't criticize player performance? Give me a break.
 

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Hayhurst said he should've been lifted from the game sooner because he didn't have it that day. His pitching line says as much. How is that anything other than constructive criticism?
Wait, in what way is this an example of constructive criticism?

Nothing the media or commentators say is constructive to players. The constructive stuff comes from other players and coaches on the team, and possibly friends or family who are also actual baseball players or coaches. And since no pitcher is going to beg off a start because he doesn't have his best stuff that day, nor to lift himself out of a game unless he's hurt, how could Price make use of this comment in any constructive manner, anyway?

What Hayhurst said is not an unwarranted comment nor an unjustified criticism, and it's certainly well within the bounds of what can and should be said as media commentary, but calling it constructive is just plain wrong.

It's just a second patty of nothing for the burger.
 

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I watch my fair share of Yankees games being in NY and from my experience the YES crew have no problem criticizing the team when they do poorly. Kay and the rotating analysts are critical of the team when they need to be and there's no crying from the clubhouse.
Well, yes and no. Singleton and O'Neil are out and out homers that match Remy and Harrelson . The rest do their share of criticism when called for, although there are certain untouchables, namely Cc and Jeter , but some of the kids look like they are on the list too.

Also, the Yankees only own 20% of Yes, not 80% like the Red Sox do NESN. Its a 2 team town as well, so some portion of their audience is not Yankee fans and criticism is more tolerated and even expected as the press and radio talk shows are loyal to no team. Not like WEEI, Globe and NESN which are either majority owned by the Red Sox and/or financially dependent on the team with few real competitors

It depends on what you call criticism as well. Pointing out some unpleasant facts , or mentioning that certain stats are unpleasant is simply telling the truth and not criticism IMO. Eck simply stated E-rods stat line was yucky. Thats not criticism even if the stats dont mean much (neither do a good statline for a given game)

Eck has mellowed the last couple of years. He used to be far more critical. I felt he had been asked to tone things down long ago and has complied, which may be a reason he does not feel welcome in the clubhouse even before Price. The old Eck was much more entertaining although I have to admit I am watching the other teams feed more often since Orsillo left.

I guess we are lucky Price did not bring race into it. Frankly, it is a bit overblown. Ecks probably been told off by tougher guys than Price and most of us get treated far worse by airline staff and TSA. I kind of think Price keeps his yap shut if Gomes says yuck next time he gives up 6 runs.
 

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I joined Sosh before MLBtv was really reliable,and before the liberation of 2004. There was so much talk of Kay being an insufferable homer, etc, that I must say I was disappointed when I finally got to listen to him. He was not extremely knowledgeable, but seemed he almost went out of his way to be fair to the Sox. Some have said he was humbled ny 04, but he is not near the homer many others are.

My quick take on Price. He is abit o a weirdo, and people accept that about him because he is a good enough pitcher. It almost seems like he has to be tilting at some windmill to be happy. I am hoping JF has said to Eck, "Yo know this fucking guy, forget it, but he ain't changing."
 

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Wait, in what way is this an example of constructive criticism?

Nothing the media or commentators say is constructive to players. The constructive stuff comes from other players and coaches on the team, and possibly friends or family who are also actual baseball players or coaches. And since no pitcher is going to beg off a start because he doesn't have his best stuff that day, nor to lift himself out of a game unless he's hurt, how could Price make use of this comment in any constructive manner, anyway?

What Hayhurst said is not an unwarranted comment nor an unjustified criticism, and it's certainly well within the bounds of what can and should be said as media commentary, but calling it constructive is just plain wrong.

It's just a second patty of nothing for the burger.
You can argue about what kind of criticism Hayhurst said but the point is that what he said about Price was not out of line.
 

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CHB reporting this evening that Eck does not want to talk it out with Price and Price's criticism will have no effect on how he calls games.

#teameck
 

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CHB reporting this evening that Eck does not want to talk it out with Price and Price's criticism will have no effect on how he calls games.

#teameck
Good for Eck. Lucchino's decision to screw around with Lester that eventually steered us to Price is the gift that keeps on giving.
 

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I think that's gotta be the straw that breaks the back.

They have to consider flat out releasing him.
 

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No they really don't need to do that at all.

I think he is kind of a thin skinned prick but I also think he is a talented pitcher who I'd rather have on my team than not.
 

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That looked like it hurt and was probably cold as polar balls. I think a lot of us would have that reaction quite naturally.

I do, however, wish to stress that I still hate David Price.
 

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Seriously, fuck that guy. He was straight up laughing and then stopped the next second. I hope he dies in a fire because baseball is that serious.
 

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That looked like it hurt and was probably cold as polar balls. I think a lot of us would have that reaction quite naturally.
I do, however, wish to stress that I still hate David Price.
Exactly. That water if fucking cold. All of us would have that reaction when we were unexpectedly doused in ice cold water.

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To be honest I would bet every penny of David Price's contract earnings that he was just goofing the guy that sprayed him as he turned to face him.
This too. All we saw was his death stare and then it cut to the dugout. So we really only got a partial picture.


And honestly. Price could throw a no hitter and the Boston media would find something to complain about with price.


Sad really
 

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I've never liked Price. I tried to stop disliking him when he came here last year but he keeps making it really hard to do.

But anyone criticizing him for that reaction needs to immediately have a bucket of ice water dumped over their head.

Who the hell is Hardy985 and why should anyone anywhere give half a crap what he has to tweet?
 

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Exactly. That water if fucking cold. All of us would have that reaction when we were unexpectedly doused in ice cold water.

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This too. All we saw was his death stare and then it cut to the dugout. So we really only got a partial picture.


And honestly. Price could throw a no hitter and the Boston media would find something to complain about with price.


Sad really
I don't know, that eighth of a second clip of his reaction to getting doused in the back with freezing water tells me everything that I need to know.
 

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The drama on this topic has been over-the-top silly for a while now.

But still, I do look forward to the GIF with Eck's head photoshopped over Hanley's.
 

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I posted on the gamethread that there is a SECOND ANGLE of this incident and as to the question of whether Price was joking it is ... no more conclusive than this one.
 

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Focus on what matters. This shit doesn't matter if he gets guys out. I am sure Caesar Crespo was really great in post game celebrations. It is likely Bill Russell or Ted Williams in their paying days, have bad reactions to that water. It is also likely Price's team mate hit his with the water precisely because they know he would react that way. It is funnier to hit the guy with a stick up his ass.

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Focus on what matters. This shit doesn't matter if he gets guys out. I am sure Caesar Crespo was really great in post game celebrations. It is likely Bill Russell or Ted Williams in their paying days, have bad reactions to that water. It is also likely Price's team mate hit his with the water precisely because they know he would react that way. It is funnier to hit the guy with a stick up his ass.

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Not to mention there is absolutely no way he is actually that mad about it that instantaneously.

Being a sports fan is bizarrely stupid so much of the time. But then you get stuff like Vaz' HR, so...
 
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