Shane Victorino and cash considerations to LAA for INF Josh Rutledge.

[soxhop411]

Ryan Hannable ‏@RyanHannable  1m1 minute ago
Red Sox today traded OF Shane Victorino and cash considerations to the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim in exchange for INF Josh Rutledge.

 

[Yazdog8]

Scott Lauber ‏@ScottLauber  59s60 seconds ago
Shane Victorino has, in fact, been traded to Angels for infielder Josh Rutledge. #RedSox

 

[MakMan44]

Better than nothing I suppose

 

[Back Bay]

Expected. They need JBJ and Castillo to play.

 

[Pilgrim]

Josh Rutledge

 

[Yaz4Ever]

Ben sucks. Should've held out for Trout.

 

[TomRicardo]

Hooray we got RHH Jed Lowrie back!

 

[BosRedSox5]

Not bad. We added a replacement level infielder with a couple more years of team control and an outfield spot.

 

[Yazdog8]

Ben sucks. Should've held out for Trout.

 
Trout AND they take back Sandoval and his contract.
 
Seriously though, I see Rutledge has experience at 2b, SS and 3b. Prelude to trading Holt?

 

[ivanvamp]

Or the injuries to Holt and Pedroia have them concerned.

Or just a decent body in return.

Or....something.

 

[Papelbon's Poutine]

 
Trout AND they take back Sandoval and his contract.
 
Seriously though, I see Rutledge has experience at 2b, SS and 3b. Prelude to trading Holt?

No.

 

[Hank Scorpio]

Rutledge seems like Brock Holt-lite. There's even a little resemblance, I think. Decent bat for a utility player, despite all his MLB experience being with the Rockies.
 
Anyway - I think it goes without saying that I'll always fondly remember Shane Victorino, for his 2013 performance, especially down the stretch and his heroics in Game 6 of the ALCS and Game 6 in the World Series. Definitely one of the most valuable players in the league that year, and a major contributor to a championship.
 
Thanks for the memories Shane.

 

[Toe Nash]

Not surewhat there is to like about Rutledge. OK contact skills (though not great power or BB and K rates) and would be a decent hitter for a middle infielder, but his defense is pretty awful by the metrics. Maybe he's better than they show, but he's at -32 DRS career between 2B and SS, and -18 UZR.
 
If he can improve defensively a bit he is solid depth to stash in AAA in case of a Xander injury.

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

 
Trout AND they take back Sandoval and his contract.
 
Seriously though, I see Rutledge has experience at 2b, SS and 3b. Prelude to trading Holt?

 
You can't be serious.
 
More like prelude to Pedroia's season being over and Jemile Weeks not being the answer.

 

[Cellar-Door]

He seems like Brock Holt 2.0 based on their minors numbers.

 

[vadertime]

He's out of options, correct?

 

[Hank Scorpio]

Ben sucks. Should've held out for Trout.

 
If Rutledge makes $1M next season and is a 1 WAR player, and Trout makes $25M next season and is a 10 WAR player, then Trout would cost 2.5x more per win than Rutledge. What a rip off.

 

[Yazdog8]

 
You can't be serious.
 
More like prelude to Pedroia's season being over and Jemile Weeks not being the answer.

 
At this point does it really matter if Weeks is not the answer with the Sox so far out of the picture? What's the worst thing that happens if he plays 3 or 4 games a week at 2b? 

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

He's out of options, correct?

 
After this season, if he is.  He's been on an option all year to this point.

 

[mauidano]

This is not a happy day for Mauidano.  My favorite team traded my favorite player/friend.  Happy for Shane that he gets a chance to go to the playoffs.

 

[Yaz4Ever]

Wonder how much cash we sent along.

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

Chad Finn @GlobeChadFinn
If I remember correctly, Josh Rutledge's wife was under consideration for NESN's Red Sox reporter role when Jenny Dell was hired.
 
So it's a NESN-related trade.

 

[Corsi]

Speier: Sources: Victorino has about $4.9M left in salary on 3-year, $39M deal; Red Sox will pay about $3.8M, with the Angels responsible for $1.1M.

https://twitter.com/alexspeier/status/625791748346937344

https://twitter.com/alexspeier/status/625791748346937344

link to tweet

 

[Yazdog8]

Wonder how much cash we sent along.

 
Brian MacPherson ‏@brianmacp  26s
27 seconds ago
Of the $4.9 million still owed Shane Victorino, the Red Sox will pay $3.8 million.

 

[mauf]

Why is everyone so sure Holt isn't on the block? He's one of only two major-league pieces who might fetch something who isn't clearly untouchable (Koji being the other). 
 
Obviously, BC didn't decide to trade Victorino so he could land Rutledge, but I'd be a little surprised if the Angels were the only team willing to clear a 25-man spot for a fully subsidized Victorino. 
 
Edit: I'm surprised the Angels are picking up $1.1mm of Vic's salary. Perhaps that savings (and the associated reduction in the CBT bill) was the only motivation, and Rutledge is just the flotsam Anaheim needed to send us to make it work from their perspective. I'm still not sure why everyone seems certain that Brockstar won't be traded.

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

Wonder how much cash we sent along.

 


Brian MacPherson @brianmacp
Of the $4.9 million still owed Shane Victorino, the Red Sox will pay $3.8 million.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

So long Shane. That one home run in the ALCS was worth every single penny.

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

Why is everyone so sure Holt isn't on the block? He's one of only two major-league pieces who might fetch something who isn't clearly untouchable (Koji being the other).

 
Because Holt is cheap and has 4 years of control left.  They know what they have with him so there's little to gain trading him for lottery ticket prospects.

 

[MikeM]

 


Brian MacPherson @brianmacp
Of the $4.9 million still owed Shane Victorino, the Red Sox will pay $3.8 million.

 
Win. 

 

[j44thor]

Why is everyone so sure Holt isn't on the block? He's one of only two major-league pieces who might fetch something who isn't clearly untouchable (Koji being the other). 
 
Obviously, BC didn't decide to trade Victorino so he could land Rutledge, but I'd be a little surprised if the Angels were the only team willing to clear a 25-man spot for a fully subsidized Victorino. 
 
Edit: I'm surprised the Angels are picking up $1.1mm of Vic's salary. Perhaps that savings (and the associated reduction in the CBT bill) was the only motivation, and Rutledge is just the flotsam Anaheim needed to send us to make it work from their perspective. I'm still not sure why everyone seems certain that Brockstar won't be traded.

 
Why would Holt be "on the block"? He isn't expensive and serves a valuable role while contributing with the bat.  If someone wants to overpay for Holt sure you can trade him.  Getting Rutledge has nothing to do with whether or not Holt is available.  Marrero is the likely call up if Holt is moved, not Rutledge.

 

[Byrdbrain]

 
Win. 

Why does this matter at all? Who cares if the Angels picked up $1.1M? I'd rather the sox pay it all and get a better player.

 

[Pilgrim]

Rutledge is not a good player, and not relevant to anything.  He's just a guy the Angels are dumping.

 

[Snodgrass'Muff]

He seems like Brock Holt 2.0 based on their minors numbers.

 
I don't think he's as good defensively in the middle infield, and I wouldn't hold my breath about him being able to play passable outfield defense, either. His bat looked mighty impressive in AAA before this year, but he's hitting at about league average at that level this year. They probably think he has some room to grow and see him as a potentially useful bench player. Not a bad return for Shane at this stage.

 

[MikeM]

Why does this matter at all? Who cares if the Angels picked up $1.1M? I'd rather the sox pay it all and get a better player.

 
Because however small, it was an additional value i didn't expect. 
 
We certainly were not getting a better player for the difference there. 

 

[Ale Xander]

Neither Rutledge nor 1.1 mil was significantly rewarding enough to pull the trigger 4 days early.
 
Take your chances a Pirate or another team's OF would get dinged up.

 

[grimshaw]

Rutledge is not a good player, and not relevant to anything.  He's just a guy the Angels are dumping.

Yep.  No need to spin it any other way.  Doubtful he's more useful than Weeks even.  
He can run the bases.  That's about it.

 

[Byrdbrain]

 
Because however small, it was an additional value i didn't expect. 
 
We certainly were not getting a better player for the difference there. 

No probably not getting a better player but there is no value for a fan of the RedSox in them getting $1.1M paid for.
I don't blame the Sox for getting a little bit of cash but there is no win there.

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

Neither Rutledge nor 1.1 mil was significantly rewarding enough to pull the trigger 4 days early.
 
Take your chances a Pirate or another team's OF would get dinged up.

 
Jesus, the return for Victorino was NEVER going to be good no matter when they did the deal.  The benefit of trading Victorino is in opening the roster spot for Castillo.  Doing it now instead of Friday gets Castillo four more big league games to prove he belongs.

 

[jsinger121]

Neither Rutledge nor 1.1 mil was significantly rewarding enough to pull the trigger 4 days early.
 
Take your chances a Pirate or another team's OF would get dinged up.

If I am paying that much remaining on his deal I rather get a boom or bust lower A arm than a 4A jag.

 

[RedOctober3829]

Why wouldn't you trade Holt at this point? Bus value will never be higher and the lack of bats on the market further increases it. A NL contender would go after a player like Holt in a heartbeat.

 

[sfip]

Despite his inability to stay healthy after '13, this thread needs to be remembered one more time.

 

[BosRedSox5]

What would we get that's more valuable than Holt? I mean the team kind of hit the lottery when they traded Miller last season... But small deals for guys like Holt aren't going to provide us a lot of value in a trade.

We might get a prospect or two neither who would likely help us in 2016 and neither of whom would likely be as valuable as Holt is.

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

 
FTFY

 
Considering it was Castillo that got called up, I don't think my post needed any fixing, but thanks anyway.

 

[the1andonly3003]

If I am paying that much remaining on his deal I rather get a boom or bust lower A arm than a 4A jag.

yeah, I agree...how much worse of a player would the Sox get if they paid nothing? heck, Angels are paying Hamilton to play in Texas

 

[SouthernBoSox]

The Red Sox need to get Castillo big league time.  They saved a mil and shipped Victorino off.  I agree with preferring a low A high risk guy, but whatever.  This is about Castillo, nothing more.  
 
That being said, that's a great deal for the Angels.

 

[mauf]

If I am paying that much remaining on his deal I rather get a boom or bust lower A arm than a 4A jag.

 
Nobody was going to give you a prospect of any kind for Victorino, even if he was fully subsidized. Saving $1.1mm plus the associated luxury tax is a good deal for the FO, even if it does nothing for us as fans.

 

[Snodgrass'Muff]

yeah, I agree...how much worse of a player would the Sox get if they paid nothing? heck, Angels are paying Hamilton to play in Texas

 
You post that as though there is no context to consider when comparing the situations. The Hamilton situation is not comparable here.

 

[geoduck no quahog]

Good for Victorino - going to a playoff-bound team. Too bad about the taxes though.

 

[mauf]

What would we get that's more valuable than Holt? I mean the team kind of hit the lottery when they traded Miller last season... But small deals for guys like Holt aren't going to provide us a lot of value in a trade.

We might get a prospect or two neither who would likely help us in 2016 and neither of whom would likely be as valuable as Holt is.

 
Holt isn't going to be more than a utility infielder here -- the premium defensive positions are spoken for, and unless you think his BABIP is sustainable, he's not going to hit enough to play first base or a corner OF spot in the long run. But there are a lot of teams that would be happy to have him as their starting second baseman, and might be willing to give up something of value for him. It seems like an option that FO is probably exploring.

 

[MikeM]

No probably not getting a better player but there is no value for a fan of the RedSox in them getting $1.1M paid for.
I don't blame the Sox for getting a little bit of cash but there is no win there.

 
Nowadays I'll take any type of perceived win out of Ben that i can get 
 
Any suggestion we could of gotten more then we just did out of Victorino borders on delusional thought imo. He's been terrible outside a few good games in May, and we've spent the year dancing around the straight DFA i still claim should of happened back in ST.