Ok we just traded to help the Giants:
It would take solid brass balls to rent Lester to the Dodgers for a haul.
It would take solid brass balls to rent Lester to the Dodgers for a haul.
SELL SELL SELL
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And given the haul they just got for Peavy (way better than a compensation pick they weren't going to get anyway), I'm not as opposed to exploring the market for Lester as I was last night. It no longer seems ridiculous to ask for Peterson or Tavarez.BigSoxFan said:
ivanvamp said:
A couple of years ago, the Astros traded Pence to the Phillies and Bourn to the Braves. I don't think the division race was as close as the current one between the Giants and Dodgers is right now, though.
Ben pulled off the trade of this century, and we got another set of rings very shortly thereafter. Let him rip. Competence untethered by ideology, as the owner-bosses are probably indifferent to the nuts-and-bolts of the next weekPlympton91 said:
Hopefully Peavy hits the ground running back in the NL West. Squeeze a strong start in before the trade deadline and make the Dodgers start to sweat.bankshot1 said:
Then we ask for Joc Pederson plus additional pieces. Let 'em know we'll talk Lester and Koji if they'll talk Pederson and Seager.
Why not start with Pederson and Seager for Lester. If they balk (and they likely would), you mention that Koji could be had, but the price would have to go up from there.Drek717 said:
Snodgrass'Muff said:
Why would the Marlins want Tavares over Betts? Marlins already have three OFs who are much better fielders. Tavares is suppose could end up as their 1B where his elite contact skills would play with 25-30 HR potential.
Betts however is a middle infielder wearing OF clothes. The Marlins have a huge hole in their MIF.
Beyond Betts being a better fit, he is younger, has less service time, has better minor league numbers. Betts just rose much more rapidly than Tavares who signed when he was 16 and played his first full season at 17. Betts started two years later and did not have Tavares prospect pedigree.
Shelby Miller is going though some issues right now and has looked awful this season while Owens has looked like a stud. Miller however has major league success and better stuff when it is working.
Beyond all that I don't think the Cardinals want to add 20+ million in payroll going over 120 million for the first time in their history to around $145 million to add yet another corner OF basically forcing them to Allen Craig for nothing.
I really don't think there is team outside of the Cubs that would pay Stanton the money and could match up better with Marlins for a trade. However I don't think the Cubs in a spot to make that move right now.
None of that is unreasonable, but I do disagree on the value of Betts versus Taveras. The power potential that Taveras has trumps the OBP advantage Betts has, IMO. Betts could end up being an extremely valuable major league player, and I think a package built around him could absolutely be what finally gets Stanton out of Florida, but I don't think he's worth more in a trade than Oscar Taveras. YMMV, however.
Also, I was originally responding to the suggestion that there isn't a team out there that could possibly outbid the Sox for Stanton when you consider farm system quality, need and the ability to extend him. The list of teams that can do it is small, but the Red Sox are certainly not a market of one.
And with the Cubs it really comes down to when Theo sees their window opening. If it's 2016, it makes sense to deal for Stanton. If it's later, it probably doesn't. Getting Stanton and Rizzo in the middle of that line up for 2015 probably makes them a dark horse candidate for a wild card. By 2016, with the right moves around the acquisition of Stanton, they could be a serious challenger for the NL Central. It would require some aggressive promotions and cashing in on a number of their prospects, but it's a viable path that wouldn't take an absurd amount of good luck to pan out.
Also, I was originally responding to the suggestion that there isn't a team out there that could possibly outbid the Sox for Stanton when you consider farm system quality, need and the ability to extend him. The list of teams that can do it is small, but the Red Sox are certainly not a market of one.
And with the Cubs it really comes down to when Theo sees their window opening. If it's 2016, it makes sense to deal for Stanton. If it's later, it probably doesn't. Getting Stanton and Rizzo in the middle of that line up for 2015 probably makes them a dark horse candidate for a wild card. By 2016, with the right moves around the acquisition of Stanton, they could be a serious challenger for the NL Central. It would require some aggressive promotions and cashing in on a number of their prospects, but it's a viable path that wouldn't take an absurd amount of good luck to pan out.
Stitch01 said:
There's a tendency, of course, for all these threads to turn into trade fantasies. The reality, of course, is that "selling at the trade deadline" refers to selling off immediately useful players to contenders, usually for prospects. I suppose a Stanton trade to the Red Sox could happen if a contender makes an offer and then they call the Red Sox to see if they want to try to beat it, but that's not really what selling is about.
But people like to dream about it.
Gordon Edes saying the Red Sox are willing to deal
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/red-sox/post/_/id/39151/source-sox-working-on-a-lot-of-things
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/red-sox/post/_/id/39151/source-sox-working-on-a-lot-of-things