Sean Payton to Denver

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Between all the picks used up on Wilson and Peyton, this roster better be A LOT better than the results were last season.

Otherwise, this is a road to nowhere.
 

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Very surprised that Payton chose Denver.

They'll have no picks AND they're stuck with Wilson? Good luck.
 

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Very surprised that Payton chose Denver.

They'll have no picks AND they're stuck with Wilson? Good luck.
Agree completely. Obviously they backed up the trucked for him, but football wise this feels like it’s destined to under deliver. Unless he really can unlock Wilson, but even then, they are so hamstrung to build around him.
 

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It obviously wouldn’t happen but I wonder what Belichick’s trade value would be.
 

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I don't think the compensation is insane at all.
Agreed. High draft picks are nice but worth a lot less than an elite coach. The jets got a multiple pro bowler in Shaun Ellis which was a great pick when the Pats got BB and even if BB was only a solid coach I'd say it was worth it.

Wilson is a bigger problem but you have to separate that.
 

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I wanna know how much Sean Payton is getting paid to coach that tire fire.
That should be the real speculation. I’ll go with $20m. They’re desperate to salvage something out of Russ.
 
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Very surprised that Payton chose Denver.

They'll have no picks AND they're stuck with Wilson? Good luck.
He must have been comfortable with ownership and that he’d be given several years to sort things out. I think next year will still be rough for them.
 

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I think Sean Payton is both good enough to make them not embarrassment, Wilson be damned, and not good enough to make them competitive. I'll predict some 9-8 / 7-10 type of seasons where they're roughly as competitive as this year's Packers team.

Everyone has rosy vision of Payton but he had some rough years, and even when the Saints were at their best, routinely underperformed in the playoffs. Now he's no longer in the worst division in professional sports, no longer has a top 10 QB ever, and has neither the salary cap nor the draft capital to fix it.
 

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I think Sean Payton is both good enough to make them not embarrassment, Wilson be damned, and not good enough to make them competitive. I'll predict some 9-8 / 7-10 type of seasons where they're roughly as competitive as this year's Packers team.

Everyone has rosy vision of Payton but he had some rough years, and even when the Saints were at their best, routinely underperformed in the playoffs. Now he's no longer in the worst division in professional sports, no longer has a top 10 QB ever, and has neither the salary cap nor the draft capital to fix it.
This feels kind of right to me. People rightly shit all over McCarthy for only getting Rodgers to one SB but Payton didn’t do any better with Brees and arguably some better teams. Plus, there were some years where I thought he had employed the Don Shula 80s Dolphins Defense – they were absolute garbage defensively.

What exactly is the case for this guy being a next level coach?
 

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i am torn because his last few years in N O were ave but with fangio as DC most likely 8 winnable home games also games @ HOU and @ CHI means 10 wins should be the goal

it all depends on is wilson done if he is then denver is f'up utill 2026 if not then there is going to be 3 playoff teams the next few years in the afc west

i am shocked but to me denver was a 9-8 team on paper last year but awful QB Coach and 22 players on I R meant 5 wins
 

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@j-man Do you feel like the Broncos new management are trying slowly to turn the organisation around?

The Broncos organisation seemed to lack direction the past... I dunno... half decade, since Pat Bowlen stepped down from day to day management in 2014 or maybe after the 2015 season and SB win... But are you optimistic that the new ownership group has set a direction, and seems to have a plan?
 

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Agreed. High draft picks are nice but worth a lot less than an elite coach. The jets got a multiple pro bowler in Shaun Ellis which was a great pick when the Pats got BB and even if BB was only a solid coach I'd say it was worth it.

Wilson is a bigger problem but you have to separate that.
Is Sean Payton an elite coach? He had a Top 20 QB ever for almost 15 seasons and made one Superbowl in a Conference that didn't feature a dominant franchise at the time.

I guess we'll find out, though I'm not sure what one can do with the shitfest that is the Denver offense right now.
 

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Is Sean Payton an elite coach? He had a Top 20 QB ever for almost 15 seasons and made one Superbowl in a Conference that didn't feature a dominant franchise at the time.

I guess we'll find out, though I'm not sure what one can do with the shitfest that is the Denver offense right now.
How good would Brees have been if not for Payton?
 

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i am torn because his last few years in N O were ave but with fangio as DC most likely 8 winnable home games also games @ HOU and @ CHI means 10 wins should be the goal

it all depends on is wilson done if he is then denver is f'up utill 2026 if not then there is going to be 3 playoff teams the next few years in the afc west

i am shocked but to me denver was a 9-8 team on paper last year but awful QB Coach and 22 players on I R meant 5 wins
Hang on, Fangio isn’t going to the Fish?
 

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How good would Brees have been if not for Payton?
Tough to say. He moved to New Orleans in a dome right around the time the NFL started changing rules to greatly benefit the offenses. He was putting up good numbers with mediocre talent in San Diego for a couple years, and moved to a much better situation. I will say Payton definitely seems to have an eye for talent on offense. And yet he chose to go play for Russell Wilson, it's just odd to me this is the situation he finally came back for. We shall see.
 

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Tough to say. He moved to New Orleans in a dome right around the time the NFL started changing rules to greatly benefit the offenses. He was putting up good numbers with mediocre talent in San Diego for a couple years, and moved to a much better situation. I will say Payton definitely seems to have an eye for talent on offense. And yet he chose to go play for Russell Wilson, it's just odd to me this is the situation he finally came back for. We shall see.
I guess all I'm saying is that it's a big assumption to say that Brees made Payton look good and not the other way around. I honestly don't know. But great coaches tend to make their QBs look better as well.
 

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@j-man Do you feel like the Broncos new management are trying slowly to turn the organisation around?

The Broncos organisation seemed to lack direction the past... I dunno... half decade, since Pat Bowlen stepped down from day to day management in 2014 or maybe after the 2015 season and SB win... But are you optimistic that the new ownership group has set a direction, and seems to have a plan?
it sounds good right now denver has not had a plan since 2016 and that is joe eillis's fauit because
A in 2017 he told elway no on kyle shannyen
and that started the fall plus with bad qb picks as well
2023 might be rough because of the lack of cap space draft picks
but in 2024 denver shouild be that 5th 6th team in the afc

and bolwin stepped away in 2014
 
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yeah he is torn between MIA SF and den
and for pats fans u shouild bring in denver DC from last year for a year if u merge his ideas with bill u wouild have a top 2 def
I can’t think of any HCs that went back to where they were fired to take a coordinator role. My money is on him ending up in SF.
 

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Is Sean Payton an elite coach? He had a Top 20 QB ever for almost 15 seasons and made one Superbowl in a Conference that didn't feature a dominant franchise at the time.

I guess we'll find out, though I'm not sure what one can do with the shitfest that is the Denver offense right now.
Yes.
 

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How do you know? I can never find data on coach salaries. This is like WR money, right?
Valid point on salaries, I feel like I have heard that BB makes around 10 but maybe it's insane.

The assumption has always been that coaches don't make what blue-chip players make, maybe that is starting to change.
 

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it sounds good right now denver has not had a plan since 2016 and that is joe eillis's fauit because
A in 2017 he told elway no on kyle shannyen
and that started the fall plus with bad qb picks as well

2023 might be rough because of the lack of cap space draft picks
but in 2024 denver shouild be that 5th 6th team in the afc

and bolwin stepped away in 2014
I had no idea the bolded happened but this very good wrote up helps explains why: https://www.si.com/nfl/broncos/news/4-reasons-the-denver-broncos-passed-on-hiring-kyle-shanahan-as-head-coach
 

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Valid point on salaries, I feel like I have heard that BB makes around 10 but maybe it's insane.

The assumption has always been that coaches don't make what blue-chip players make, maybe that is starting to change.
The number floating around on BB is $20-$25m / year.
 

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Still can't believe they didn't call that. I would have loved to watch a Brady vs Brees SuperBowl!
My daughter still has flashbacks. We watched that game together while on vacation. She joined us from College where she adopted the Saints.
It was so egregious the league changed the rules for 1 year (that didn't work out so well) on replay challenges.

Imagne you coud challenge holding calls and PI calls and, well, Belichick has said he would like everything to be reviewable.