Schilling, the Hall, and the Character Clause

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I thought Gammons was still in good form in 2000 but that is really bad, as best I can tell 'racist' has been attached to Mussina at least obliquely since that piece in 2000. I see that Will Leitch here calls it "an infamous (and instantly discredited) accusation from Peter Gammons that he was a racist" although he doesn't give specifics (maybe hard to).

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2008/10/leitch_mike_mussina_a_stand-up.html

I have always liked Gammons although he should have stopped a while back (and I guess mostly did) but this is pretty terrible. I feel like Gammons maybe misunderstood something someone told him and then went with what he thought was clever insider code no one could decipher when in fact it was pretty obvious. But then since he hadn't said it was Mussina straight out, Gammons couldn't really publicly apologize, I guess. Yikes, I didn't remember much about this from the time but I don't see any other hint of anyone first-hand calling Mussina a racist ever on the web, yet I feel like I heard that so much I kind of assumed it was true (and maybe it is).
 

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I thought Gammons was still in good form in 2000 but that is really bad, as best I can tell 'racist' has been attached to Mussina at least obliquely since that piece in 2000. I see that Will Leitch here calls it "an infamous (and instantly discredited) accusation from Peter Gammons that he was a racist" although he doesn't give specifics (maybe hard to).

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2008/10/leitch_mike_mussina_a_stand-up.html
Thanks for posting that. The whole thing was good, but the best part may be the final line:

With his luck, retiring will secure the Yankees a World Series championship next year.
Good call, Leitch.
 

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Was Schilling a Pizzagate guy? I know he loves QAnon. Pizzagate nearly got people killed.

I'm kind of agnostic on whether he should be in the hall. But can we please not pretend that he's being punished for being a conservative, even an outspoken conservative. His views are beyond what should be considered acceptable discourse. I don't have issues with athletes speaking out about their political views left or right, I actually think it's mostly a good thing. But Curt is flat out promoting dangerous, hostile, and bigoted views. This isn't borderline. This isn't "he opposes affirmative action, he's a racist." It's the equivalent of screaming f---t at gay people at the top of your lungs over and over. He's not being punished for being conservative, he's being punished for being a proud and vocal bigot. He's no where close to the line, he left the line behind years ago.
 

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Was Schilling a Pizzagate guy? I know he loves QAnon. Pizzagate nearly got people killed.

I'm kind of agnostic on whether he should be in the hall. But can we please not pretend that he's being punished for being a conservative, even an outspoken conservative. His views are beyond what should be considered acceptable discourse. I don't have issues with athletes speaking out about their political views left or right, I actually think it's mostly a good thing. But Curt is flat out promoting dangerous, hostile, and bigoted views. This isn't borderline. This isn't "he opposes affirmative action, he's a racist." It's the equivalent of screaming f---t at gay people at the top of your lungs over and over. He's not being punished for being conservative, he's being punished for being a proud and vocal bigot. He's no where close to the line, he left the line behind years ago.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/curt-schilling-backs-pro-trump-qanon-conspiracy-theory
The video Schilling also includes allusions to the Pizzagate conspiracy, which has been embraced by many QAnon believers. The video shows an apparently random selection of celebrities, including Eminem, Jonah Hill, Jackie Chan, and Emma Watson, before showing an image of a child with a hand over its mouth.
From a quick google, it seems like his involvement in Pizzagate is just to the extent that QAnon ties into it.
 

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He's not being punished for being conservative, he's being punished for being a proud and vocal bigot. He's no where close to the line, he left the line behind years ago.
Two things:

First, while I do not subscribe to the view held by some in V&N that P91 is a troll, he certainly has a well-deserved reputation on this board for believing that conservatives are the real victims in virtually every political debate. This is a feature not a bug in his posts and should not be discounted here.

Second, I’ve said this on multiple threads before but Schilling really did seem to go off the rails post-illness. While he was always politically conservative—“Vote Bush” on GMA days after the 2004 WS made my heart sink—he seemed to be more of a military brat than anything for most of his pitching career. He was a big McCain fan from his Arizona days and never voiced much in the way of bilious social conservatism during and immediately following his career.

He was also pretty candid and approachable. I used to appreciate how outspoken he was as a ballplayer even if it didn’t always endear him to his teammates. While I didn’t have any interaction with him on this board or via SoSH events, I do remember chatting with him on Twitter when he solicited questions about baseball while his wife and daughter were at a cheerleading competition. He was super insightful and down to earth about it.

Then, he had a string of terrible – the 38 Studios mess followed by a heart attack, followed by the cancer diagnosis and treatment. Perhaps others will remember differently but I distinctly got the sense that the cancer treatment, and the question of whether he would even be able to speak again, was really, really grim. Combined with how vilified he was post-38 Studios, perhaps deservedly, something changed in him and he really began to go to a dark place politically. Almost overnight he became unbearably angry and I had to unfollow him on social media.

So sure, he was always outspoken. He was always conservative. And in some ways, he was probably always an asshole. But he wasn’t always *this* guy. Or at least, he didn’t seem to be. That he is now is both sad and unfortunate and a part of his legacy.
 

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Two things:

First, while I do not subscribe to the view held by some in V&N that P91 is a troll, he certainly has a well-deserved reputation on this board for believing that conservatives are the real victims in virtually every political debate. This is a feature not a bug in his posts and should not be discounted here.

Second, I’ve said this on multiple threads before but Schilling really did seem to go off the rails post-illness. While he was always politically conservative—“Vote Bush” on GMA days after the 2004 WS made my heart sink—he seemed to be more of a military brat than anything for most of his pitching career. He was a big McCain fan from his Arizona days and never voiced much in the way of bilious social conservatism during and immediately following his career.

He was also pretty candid and approachable. I used to appreciate how outspoken he was as a ballplayer even if it didn’t always endear him to his teammates. While I didn’t have any interaction with him on this board or via SoSH events, I do remember chatting with him on Twitter when he solicited questions about baseball while his wife and daughter were at a cheerleading competition. He was super insightful and down to earth about it.

Then, he had a string of terrible – the 38 Studios mess followed by a heart attack, followed by the cancer diagnosis and treatment. Perhaps others will remember differently but I distinctly got the sense that the cancer treatment, and the question of whether he would even be able to speak again, was really, really grim. Combined with how vilified he was post-38 Studios, perhaps deservedly, something changed in him and he really began to go to a dark place politically. Almost overnight he became unbearably angry and I had to unfollow him on social media.

So sure, he was always outspoken. He was always conservative. And in some ways, he was probably always an asshole. But he wasn’t always *this* guy. Or at least, he didn’t seem to be. That he is now is both sad and unfortunate and a part of his legacy.
I appreciate and agree with almost every word of this post. I also don't see how it is relevant, in the sense that what Jose said about Schilling above is undeniably true:

This isn't borderline. This isn't "he opposes affirmative action, he's a racist." It's the equivalent of screaming f---t at gay people at the top of your lungs over and over. He's not being punished for being conservative, he's being punished for being a proud and vocal bigot. He's no where close to the line, he left the line behind years ago.
Whether he is featured in a private museum is, at the end of the day, utterly unimportant. I do find it unacceptable to pretend that he's a victim of political correctness.
 

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(snip of an excellent post)
So sure, he was always outspoken. He was always conservative. And in some ways, he was probably always an asshole. But he wasn’t always *this* guy. Or at least, he didn’t seem to be. That he is now is both sad and unfortunate and a part of his legacy.
We are what we do. And if we "do" consistently enough, we claim it as part of our character. I believe that to an extent, people can change their own baseline, with time, with consistency, and with work. Schilling has rather spectacularly accomplished this change.

I'm sure Schilling has done good things and wasn't what most would consider a bad person during a large part of his life. But like Jose said, he's left the line far behind. I'd add that this change isn't just a blip, or a single poor choice, or a compounding error, or any sort of temporary moral failing from which the man is trying to recover. His partisan bigotry is part of his character now, no matter if he could be worse, or was once better.
 

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All of this infighting aside, I have a somewhat dumb question...

I haven’t been to the Hall in 25 years. Has the building expanded over the years? I remember it feeling pretty packed to the gills, and that was before the following 25 years happened.

Do they continually expand?
 

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Here's a side question worth discussion: If a borderline/barely-makes-it guy like Schilling doesn't get into the Hall of Fame based on his questionable character keeping him out, can we then say that someone like Dale Murphy gets in for the opposite reason? In Murph, you've got a guy with a borderline (at best) HoF resume but could very well be one of the highest character superstars in our lifetimes. Does the character issue work both ways or merely as a disqualifying factor?
 

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Here's a side question worth discussion: If a borderline/barely-makes-it guy like Schilling doesn't get into the Hall of Fame based on his questionable character keeping him out, can we then say that someone like Dale Murphy gets in for the opposite reason? In Murph, you've got a guy with a borderline (at best) HoF resume but could very well be one of the highest character superstars in our lifetimes. Does the character issue work both ways or merely as a disqualifying factor?

Didn't it work for Kirby Puckett? Granted, Kirby Puckett was exposed as a complete douchebag later on.
 

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I thought Gammons was still in good form in 2000 but that is really bad, as best I can tell 'racist' has been attached to Mussina at least obliquely since that piece in 2000. I see that Will Leitch here calls it "an infamous (and instantly discredited) accusation from Peter Gammons that he was a racist" although he doesn't give specifics (maybe hard to).
I know this is off-topic, but it's odd that Leitch would link to the accusation, but not to the quick discrediting of that accusation. I can't recall the accusation against Mussina discussed anywhere else - so perhaps it is b.s. - but if it was "instantly discredited" - which would have been back in 2000, right? - I missed it.
 

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I know this is off-topic, but it's odd that Leitch would link to the accusation, but not to the quick discrediting of that accusation. I can't recall the accusation against Mussina discussed anywhere else - so perhaps it is b.s. - but if it was "instantly discredited" - which would have been back in 2000, right? - I missed it.
Yeah, I thought that was odd too, but due to the nature of the original "accusation" as a blind item, it's hard to directly rebut, but maybe since this was the actual sentence Gammons wrote:

"One of the game's best pitchers, a sophisticated, intellectual graduate of one of the world's finest universities, has splattered teammates with similar comments and boasts that he will never play without a no-trade clause to the two New York teams."

And then Mussina chose to sign with the Yankees later that same year, Mussina's own actions discredited the original item (?).
 

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Van Everyman makes a few interesting points. This is more a theoretical question since it probably does not apply to Curt Schilling directly. Suppose an athlete has a Hall of Fame level career but post playing career he makes several awful statements and actions such as Schilling did. However post death, it is determined that the athlete suffered from CTE. Would that change anyone'' s opinion since it has berb proven that CTE leads to brain damage? I am not saying that this applies to Schilling but a theoretical athlete in the future.
 

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I feel like we don't know nearly enough about CTE, the effects it can have on decision making over a long period of time, and how that relates to different athletes at different stages of their life. I'm not a neurologist, but I don't think a lot of people have changed their opinion on Aaron Hernandez because it has since came out that he had CTE; maybe there is some sympathy but most football players that suffer from CTE are not executing other people. Who knows though; in 25 years we may look at victims of CTE the same way we look at Alzheimer patients today, and excuse their behavior due to their mental state.
 

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I don't really understand the character clause.The definition on the ballot reads: Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character and contribution to the team(s) on which the player played. Before Schilling it has been mostly cited as something that some voters were using to explain not voting for steroid users; which has some logic because obviously using steroids can be viewed as a lack of integrity, sportsmanship and character.

Despite as repugnant as Schilling can be, I don't recall him being regarded by his teammates or the media as lacking integrity, sportsmanship and character during his playing career. Additionally, there isn't an argument that his political views gave him an unfair advantage playing the game, like it did for the steroid guys. Lastly, I can imagine that there are some voters who actually LIKE Schilling more because of his political views, while I doubt there are any voters who appreciate Bonds or McGwire more because they used steroids.

Has there ever been another player with HOF or close-to-HOF credentials that failed to make it, in some part because of the character clause, that wasn't linked to steroid use? Pete Rose and Joe Jackson are banned, so I guess they might count, but Schilling isn't banned from the hall. At the end of the day it doesn't really matter because Schilling doesn't have a slam-dunk HOF case based on his resume, so it isn't going to be a crime if he doesn't get in. If Schilling had Greg Maddux's career things would be a lot more interesting.
 

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I tried to make up a theoretical player and not Schilling in particular. I guess it would more likely happen to a football player, but then again there is not a character clause in the football hall hall of fame.
 

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Despite as repugnant as Schilling can be, I don't recall him being regarded by his teammates or the media as lacking integrity, sportsmanship and character during his playing career.
I agree with your general point on the character clause being tough to parse and apply, but the above isn’t accurate. Mitch Williams, Ed Wade, Scott Williamson just off the top of my head were just the gripes along those lines that got into print—though I still don’t think that changes your point.

I’d vote for him for the Hall based on his career on the field, but do not blame anyone that doesn’t think it right.
 

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I tried to make up a theoretical player and not Schilling in particular. I guess it would more likely happen to a football player, but then again there is not a character clause in the football hall hall of fame.

I think the answer to this hypothetical is former Saints, Vikes and Packer safety Darren Sharper, also known as a convicted serial rapist Darren Sharper. As Peter King and others have noted, Shaper has an NFL HoF resume (6th all time in picks, SB champ, 5x Pro Bowl, 6 x All Pro, all decade team for the aughts) and has been up for consideration since 2016. NFL HoF voters have just decided not to vote for him since then, though someone (anonymously) nominated him in both 2016 and 2017.

Since NFL HoF voters get together during Super Bowl week to conference their vote and are sword to secrecy on the proceedings, we dont know how much actual consideration he got. The other factor here is that someone has to get up and represent the case for each nominee to the group. I would like to think that no NFL HoF voter would stand up in front of their respected peers and represent this piece of shit to the group.
 

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Two things:

First, while I do not subscribe to the view held by some in V&N that P91 is a troll, he certainly has a well-deserved reputation on this board for believing that conservatives are the real victims in virtually every political debate. This is a feature not a bug in his posts and should not be discounted here.

Second, I’ve said this on multiple threads before but Schilling really did seem to go off the rails post-illness. While he was always politically conservative—“Vote Bush” on GMA days after the 2004 WS made my heart sink—he seemed to be more of a military brat than anything for most of his pitching career. He was a big McCain fan from his Arizona days and never voiced much in the way of bilious social conservatism during and immediately following his career.

He was also pretty candid and approachable. I used to appreciate how outspoken he was as a ballplayer even if it didn’t always endear him to his teammates. While I didn’t have any interaction with him on this board or via SoSH events, I do remember chatting with him on Twitter when he solicited questions about baseball while his wife and daughter were at a cheerleading competition. He was super insightful and down to earth about it.

Then, he had a string of terrible – the 38 Studios mess followed by a heart attack, followed by the cancer diagnosis and treatment. Perhaps others will remember differently but I distinctly got the sense that the cancer treatment, and the question of whether he would even be able to speak again, was really, really grim. Combined with how vilified he was post-38 Studios, perhaps deservedly, something changed in him and he really began to go to a dark place politically. Almost overnight he became unbearably angry and I had to unfollow him on social media.

So sure, he was always outspoken. He was always conservative. And in some ways, he was probably always an asshole. But he wasn’t always *this* guy. Or at least, he didn’t seem to be. That he is now is both sad and unfortunate and a part of his legacy.
I don’t want to read into your post, but is it meant as an apologia? I see it as saying Schilling’s illness and rough stretch in life changed him somehow, but I’m not sure that’s what you’re getting at.
 

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I don’t want to read into your post, but is it meant as an apologia? I see it as saying Schilling’s illness and rough stretch in life changed him somehow, but I’m not sure that’s what you’re getting at.
I didn't read it as an apology. I can see the argument that Shilling went from a Bush supporter to an off the rails bigot since life rained a lot of rough things on him .
We all get a lot of rough things in this life. I'm grateful it hasn't turned me into what he appears to be now.
 

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I didn't read it as an apology. I can see the argument that Shilling went from a Bush supporter to an off the rails bigot since life rained a lot of rough things on him .
We all get a lot of rough things in this life. I'm grateful it hasn't turned me into what he appears to be now.
I’m not trying to be a pain, but isn’t your reading of it an apology? We all go through shit, saying he was a good dude before he went through shit then turned racist seems like an apology or an excuse.
 

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I’m not trying to be a pain, but isn’t your reading of it an apology? We all go through shit, saying he was a good dude before he went through shit then turned racist seems like an apology or an excuse.
No because hopefully most of us don't become a racist. He maybe already was or wasn't but prior to he was just a pitcher who was amazing and then went south.
 

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No because hopefully most of us don't become a racist. He maybe already was or wasn't but prior to he was just a pitcher who was amazing and then went south.
Agreed so why mention his travails if not as an excuse? Lots of people go through tough times without becoming one Curt.
 

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Agreed so why mention his travails if not as an excuse? Lots of people go through tough times without becoming one Curt.

If we’re going to have 100+ posts on Schilling’s character and its implications for his HOF candidacy, why not go back and identify where he went off the rails? I thought @Van Everyman made a useful contribution to the discussion. The last sentence of his post made clear that he was making no apologies for Schilling’s behavior.
 

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What do we think of Andruw Jones?


I had not heard about his domestic violence issues until I read the on Reddit. Should domestic abusers be kept out of the HoF? After reading the details of the accusations, they seem pretty terrible.

https://www.gwinnettdailypost.com/local/crime/details-emerge-in-jones-battery-arrest/article_ea2a815b-0804-5a35-813f-8abe337418e1.html

I am definitely an edge case with Andruw, I didnt see him in his prime and only saw him in his seemingly disinterested days. Do we care about Andruw Jones falling off the ballot?
 

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No because hopefully most of us don't become a racist. He maybe already was or wasn't but prior to he was just a pitcher who was amazing and then went south.
Which of Curt’s statements, retweets, or actions have been directed at Black or Latino individuals? Why are we throwing race around here?
 

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I don't see @Van Everyman's post as being an apologist for Schilling at all. The fact is that his public persona definitely changed after his cancer diagnosis. And it was that public persona that led him to being fired from ESPN, where he seemed to be making a bit of a comeback from the 38 Studios fiasco. And it's that public persona that is causing this thread. Go back and read what he used to say, and what he says now, and there is a noticeable and notable change in both tone and substance.

Why his public persona has changed is unknowable and as a result can and will be the subject of speculation. The likely explanation is that he already harbored a lot of racist thoughts, and now that he's a few years removed from playing he feels free to express them openly. Or maybe he's trying to feel noticed and relevant again and became a bitter old man in the process. Like most star athletes, he was (and still is) probably quite self-absorbed and egotistical to some degree, which only serves to make him less likable.

EDIT: I have no problem with voters ignoring his Twitterverse and voting in him based on his baseball accomplishments. I personally would not, and so I also have no problem whatsoever with voters leaving him off their ballots.
 

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There were a lot of really good points in that article. The points about the harms that come from demanding proof. The common sense statement that just because an artist uses the word in a song it is not ok to use it as a slur. The point about how, for some, admitting that the type of overt racism that would lead a customer at a baseball game to harass a black outfielder still exists is too hard to fathom. Uneducated. Uninquisative. Sheltered. So many ways the author made the point in a way that would encourage understanding and build common ground.

All those things apply to Schilling’s other retweeted memes too. It’s a shame that in all those years he spent in clubhouses interacting with minorities, probably overwhelmingly cordially and positively, he obviously never got beyond a superficial understanding of what life is really like outside that bubble.
 

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All those things apply to Schilling’s other retweeted memes too. It’s a shame that in all those years he spent in clubhouses interacting with minorities, probably overwhelmingly cordially and positively, he obviously never got beyond a superficial understanding of what life is really like outside that bubble.
Because as you say he's never once expressed or shown a willingness to learn. "Uninquisitive" is the perfect term. He's always thought himself the smartest guy in any room he's been in. As you say, it's shocking that a man who spent the vast majority of his working baseball life around people of color never bothered to learn the first thing about them or about their experiences, but Schilling already knew it all. Just ask him.
 

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Because as you say he's never once expressed or shown a willingness to learn. "Uninquisitive" is the perfect term. He's always thought himself the smartest guy in any room he's been in. As you say, it's shocking that a man who spent the vast majority of his working baseball life around people of color never bothered to learn the first thing about them or about their experiences, but Schilling already knew it all. Just ask him.
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I didn't read it as an apology. I can see the argument that Shilling went from a Bush supporter to an off the rails bigot since life rained a lot of rough things on him .
We all get a lot of rough things in this life. I'm grateful it hasn't turned me into what he appears to be now.
Curt was always a guy who loved to talk, and loved to say whatever it was that was on his mind, damn the consequences. We were gifted with his presence in the chat room, for a couple weeks a very long time ago, and he sat and talked to strangers as if we were his best buddies. He was an open book willing to say what was on his mind, and no doubt more than a few times it was like, woa dude, don't say that. It was guy stuff that you'd say to a buddy at a bar, but not something you might want the world to know. And then ultimately twitter became his place to say it, and it wasn't a group of 25 guys looking at him through hero goggles.
 

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Curt was always a guy who loved to talk, and loved to say whatever it was that was on his mind, damn the consequences. We were gifted with his presence in the chat room, for a couple weeks a very long time ago, and he sat and talked to strangers as if we were his best buddies. He was an open book willing to say what was on his mind, and no doubt more than a few times it was like, woa dude, don't say that. It was guy stuff that you'd say to a buddy at a bar, but not something you might want the world to know. And then ultimately twitter became his place to say it, and it wasn't a group of 25 guys looking at him through hero goggles.
That must have been magical. Social media is knocking quite a few people off their pedestals. A new world. I hope better. We will see. Thanks for that insight. Glad it wasn't Tek. :)
 

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All of this infighting aside, I have a somewhat dumb question...

I haven’t been to the Hall in 25 years. Has the building expanded over the years? I remember it feeling pretty packed to the gills, and that was before the following 25 years happened.

Do they continually expand?
It’s definitely bigger now then it was a few years ago, and they are also pretty good about changing exhibits for timely events.
 

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Because as you say he's never once expressed or shown a willingness to learn. "Uninquisitive" is the perfect term. He's always thought himself the smartest guy in any room he's been in. As you say, it's shocking that a man who spent the vast majority of his working baseball life around people of color never bothered to learn the first thing about them or about their experiences, but Schilling already knew it all. Just ask him.
I’d add that his whole nazi stuff thing, including his kids weAring some of it, allows one to reasonably infer he’s a racist, even in the absence of other evidence. It’s not conclusive, but non-racists generally don’t dress their kids up in their nazi memorabilia.
 

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Ended up going from 51% last year to 61% this year. And with three years of BBWAA eligibility left. That would seem to make him at least a 50-50 shot to make the Hall, no?
 
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I've always thought that O.J. Simpson should be removed from the Pro Football Hall of Fame, but per the linked article the voters contacted do not agree. They believe that what happens on field is the only consideration, although some might have a different opinion had he been convicted. Based on their logic and assuming he is considered to have been a good enough player, Schilling should be in the Hall.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2008/12/13/oj-will-stay-in-hall-of-fame-but-should-he/amp/
 

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I've always thought that O.J. Simpson should be removed from the Pro Football Hall of Fame, but per the linked article the voters contacted do not agree. They believe that what happens on field is the only consideration, although some might have a different opinion had he been convicted. Based on their logic and assuming he is considered to have been a good enough player, Schilling should be in the Hall.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2008/12/13/oj-will-stay-in-hall-of-fame-but-should-he/amp/
I believe the NFL HOF explicitly rejects off-field content from consideration, and the MLB HOF explicitly has the character clause in their criteria.

I agree Schilling should be in the HOF.
 

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I've always thought that O.J. Simpson should be removed from the Pro Football Hall of Fame, but per the linked article the voters contacted do not agree. They believe that what happens on field is the only consideration, although some might have a different opinion had he been convicted. Based on their logic and assuming he is considered to have been a good enough player, Schilling should be in the Hall.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2008/12/13/oj-will-stay-in-hall-of-fame-but-should-he/amp/
As I said above, I think Schilling gets in next year based on the trends. That said, your logic is specious.

The two museums in question are run by different organizations, have completely different criteria for eligibility and use dramatically different processes to elect members. Most importantly, the baseball HOF explicitly rejects the logic you are applying to the process.
 

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As I said above, I think Schilling gets in next year based on the trends. That said, your logic is specious.

The two museums in question are run by different organizations, have completely different criteria for eligibility and use dramatically different processes to elect members. Most importantly, the baseball HOF explicitly rejects the logic you are applying to the process.
But other than that, he's spot on