Schilling says he's leaving Boston to be with 'people that are nice'

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I forgot Philly. A familiar love-hate journey for Curt. The fans loved him when he took them to the World Series in 1993 but hated him for deciding to leave when the team regressed.
 

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So he wants/needs to be near a major city for medical access, but cities are generally liberal so that's hard. Place has to be mostly white, obviously, so Houston is out, so is Atlanta, as are the cities in Florida...Thank God Minnesota is cold or else he might have ended up in one of our burbs.
I’m guessing Chattanooga. Just a short road trip to Stone Mountain, GA. Curt loves history.
 

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Curt has had enough with everyone here and he's leaving for good! Did you hear him?!? THIS TIME HE REALLY MEANS IT!
Meanwhile, Massachusetts sits on the sofa reading the paper.
Curt really is a man without a home in America. He’s the man who never returned. Born in Anchorage. Not going back. Grew up in Western PA. Doesn’t go back. Moved to Arizona for high school. Too sunny for Shonda. Lived in Drew Bledsoe’s house. Sold it for $3M. Alienated most of Rhode Island and MA. Now moving to Tennessee. On the road again. Willie Nelson might have to change the lyrics for Curt.
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I wonder if he thinks he is a nice person. He has so many purposely vitriolic tweets, it would be interesting if he nevertheless thinks he’s really nice to everyone.
 

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I forgot Philly. A familiar love-hate journey for Curt. The fans loved him when he took them to the World Series in 1993 but hated him for deciding to leave when the team regressed.
Phillies executive Ed Wade: "Every fifth day Curt's our horse. The other four days, he's our horse's ass."
 

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I'm sure he's moving to the Nashville area (better hospitals, nicer area, etc.)...could be Franklin, Brentwood, or Belle Meade. Doesn't hurt that they just phased out the Hall Income Tax in 2020, so none of his income will be subject to state income tax.
At this point he probably has none.
 

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At this point he probably has none.
putting aside any other retirement savings (which he may have dumped into 38studios) He's probaby pulling at least 100k annually from his pension, which wont be state-taxed in Tenn. (or NH. Glad he headed south.)
 

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putting aside any other retirement savings (which he may have dumped into 38studios) He's probaby pulling at least 100k annually from his pension, which wont be state-taxed in Tenn. (or NH. Glad he headed south.)
Good point.
 

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I forgot Philly. A familiar love-hate journey for Curt. The fans loved him when he took them to the World Series in 1993 but hated him for deciding to leave when the team regressed.
My wife is a diehard Phillies fan wasn't mad that he left for greener pastures, but hated him for all his nonsense in the dugout during the '93 Series when Mitch Williams was struggling.
 

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My wife is a diehard Phillies fan wasn't mad that he left for greener pastures, but hated him for all his nonsense in the dugout during the '93 Series when Mitch Williams was struggling.
*I* hated him for that, and I didn't give a rat's ass who won. It was an absolutely shitty teammate thing to do. Mitch hadn't forgotten in 2019 either, it seems:
https://www.phillyvoice.com/mitch-williams-still-has-beef-fellow-former-phillies-pitcher-curt-schilling/

2014: (schilling's around 4:00)
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Schilling is a great example of someone whose complete inability to apologize and admit that he could be wrong has completely destroyed them. It would be so easy to just cruise to eternal glory by showing up now and again at team events and he was legitimately good as a TV analyst. Instead, he could never admit he was wrong, never give out a sincere apology, and the result was that he continues to blunder further and further down the totem pole of society. All of his problems are self-inflicted and in some ways he is a tragic figure, even if I have no sympathy for him.
 

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In Curt’s defense, Mitch Williams was impossible to watch as a wild lefty who closed out games. Joe Carter’s Series-winning home run was preordained.
 

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In Curt’s defense, Mitch Williams was impossible to watch as a wild lefty who closed out games. Joe Carter’s Series-winning home run was preordained.
You're not wrong about Williams, but there's no defense for Curt's act. If he couldn't watch, he could have gone up the tunnel to the clubhouse (or just up the tunnel). You know, anywhere out of sight of cameras. But that's anathema to Schilling. Folks used to call him "Red Light" for a reason.
 

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My wife is a diehard Phillies fan wasn't mad that he left for greener pastures, but hated him for all his nonsense in the dugout during the '93 Series when Mitch Williams was struggling.
Fans understood why he wanted out. Ownership was notoriously cheap at the time. Schilling called them out on it.

Scott Rolen would leave less than 2 years later for pretty much the same reason.
 

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You're not wrong about Williams, but there's no defense for Curt's act. If he couldn't watch, he could have gone up the tunnel to the clubhouse (or just up the tunnel). You know, anywhere out of sight of cameras. But that's anathema to Schilling. Folks used to call him "Red Light" for a reason.
So you’re saying he wanted the attention and then he didn’t? This always fascinates me about athletes. Was there a significant incident that turned him into a media-hater? I know he feuded with Pedro Gomez, a good man, in Arizona. Then CHB in Boston. Somebody in Philly must have pissed him off. Maybe Angelo Cataldi? I need to ask around with my Philly media pals.
 

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So you’re saying he wanted the attention and then he didn’t? This always fascinates me about athletes. Was there a significant incident that turned him into a media-hater? I know he feuded with Pedro Gomez, a good man, in Arizona. Then CHB in Boston. Somebody in Philly must have pissed him off. Maybe Angelo Cataldi? I need to ask around with my Philly media pals.
When did he not want attention? He made a show of himself doing the towel thing every time Williams pitched, not just during that World Series. My point was he had alternatives if it was just about the anxiety induced by watching a guy nicknamed "Wild Thing" pitch.

One does not have to like the media to be an attention seeking jackass. One might even say an open dislike for the media is just the way to get oneself more attention.
 

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When did he not want attention? He made a show of himself doing the towel thing every time Williams pitched, not just during that World Series. My point was he had alternatives if it was just about the anxiety induced by watching a guy nicknamed "Wild Thing" pitch.

One does not have to like the media to be an attention seeking jackass. One might even say an open dislike for the media is just the way to get oneself more attention.
Not disagreeing. Just curious who his early targets were.
Every team always had at least one guy who knew how to handle the media, to use them to his advantage, send subtle messages to his teammates, or just blast the media and call them the enemy. Curt was not alone.
 

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So you’re saying he wanted the attention and then he didn’t? This always fascinates me about athletes. Was there a significant incident that turned him into a media-hater? I know he feuded with Pedro Gomez, a good man, in Arizona. Then CHB in Boston. Somebody in Philly must have pissed him off. Maybe Angelo Cataldi? I need to ask around with my Philly media pals.
Here's an article from 2017 by someone who covered PHI when CS was there: https://www.nj.com/yankees/2017/01/why_this_scumbag_me_will_never_give_curt_schilling.html.

It explains some of it. I'm sure his teammates listening to CS prattle on to reporters and talk show hosts about "How it is" was really pleasant to hear on a daily basis.
 

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He probably expected all kinds of accolades and warm feelings for the fund raising tournament he helped organize for AJ Quetta. I guess the ”thanks for doing this, but your still a sh*tbag“ responses weren’t the image rehab he wanted.
 

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I'll never understand when an athlete doesn't repudiate racism in any form. One of the great benefits of sports is that it places an athlete with fellow athletes of all races and classes. They work, play, travel, eat, and go to war with them for years. It should be eye-opening and offer insight into how we're all just human beings. Yet a guy like CS embraces a racist president and is fine with all the dog-whistling. You'd hope that the race-baiting would be enough to end any infatuation. I guess the racism was baked in long ago and impervious to 20+ years of experience. That's an impressive level of hard-headness and stupidity.
 

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I'll never understand when an athlete doesn't repudiate racism in any form. One of the great benefits of sports is that it places an athlete with fellow athletes of all races and classes. They work, play, travel, eat, and go to war with them for years. It should be eye-opening and offer insight into how we're all just human beings. Yet a guy like CS embraces a racist president and is fine with all the dog-whistling. You'd hope that the race-baiting would be enough to end any infatuation. I guess the racism was baked in long ago and impervious to 20+ years of experience. That's an impressive level of hard-headness and stupidity.
Schilling and his ilk don't consider themselves racist though. They are racist, but they never look in the mirror and have that conversation with themselves. It's cognitive dissonance that allows them to play the victim while feeling righteous
 

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I agree and I'd be surprised if he considered himself a racist and I'm sure he'd be outraged to be called one. It's just genuinely surprising that he doesn't have a POC former teammate or friend who can point out the obvious and have some impact. Schilling's had the opportunity to live and learn and it's a shame he didn't take advantage. He's really gone.
 

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My sister-in-law and her wife just moved to Nashville last month with their twin boys. I hope they walk by the new Schilling home every day.
 

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In Curt’s defense, Mitch Williams was impossible to watch as a wild lefty who closed out games. Joe Carter’s Series-winning home run was preordained.
When did he not want attention? He made a show of himself doing the towel thing every time Williams pitched, not just during that World Series. My point was he had alternatives if it was just about the anxiety induced by watching a guy nicknamed "Wild Thing" pitch.
We've all seen a shitload of butt-puckering baseball. I really can't recall seeing or hearing of a teammate behave that way in a remotely similar circumstance.
 

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So you’re saying he wanted the attention and then he didn’t? This always fascinates me about athletes.
I think people want attention only on their own terms, and it's unique to athletes.

If a cop risks his/her life and pulls an accident victim out of a burning car and a reporter calls the police chief for a comment, chances are the chief will get right on the phone and gush about the officer. If citizens are lodging complaints against the cops and the same reporter calls, the chief is probably "unavailable" or issues a no-comment.

If I were a manager or coach, I would tell my players that unless it's a league-mandated thing, they don't have to talk to the media, but if they talk when things are going well, they should talk when things are going badly.
 

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I wonder if he thinks he is a nice person.
Bruce Prichard tells a story of riding in the front passenger seat, with VKM and Jerry Jarrett in the back seat. Bruce says he started laughing, and pointed out that he has the two most hated promoters in wrestling in the back seat. VKM laughs his ass off, but Jarrett was shocked "What, people/wrestlers LIKE me...."

(back story: Jarrett was one of the very lowest payoff promoters in the business, workers claim to have subsisted on potatoes and canned baked beans)
 

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Bruce Prichard tells a story of riding in the front passenger seat, with VKM and Jerry Jarrett in the back seat. Bruce says he started laughing, and pointed out that he has the two most hated promoters in wrestling in the back seat. VKM laughs his ass off, but Jarrett was shocked "What, people/wrestlers LIKE me...."

(back story: Jarrett was one of the very lowest payoff promoters in the business, workers claim to have subsisted on potatoes and canned baked beans)
I think Verne Gagne and Bill Watts would have to be in the conversation, lol.

I agree and I'd be surprised if he considered himself a racist and I'm sure he'd be outraged to be called one. It's just genuinely surprising that he doesn't have a POC former teammate or friend who can point out the obvious and have some impact. Schilling's had the opportunity to live and learn and it's a shame he didn't take advantage. He's really gone.
That gets to my point about an inability to admit that he was ever wrong. If a POC told Schilling "Hey Curt, I like you but that was pretty racist" I'm sure his instinct would be to get super defense and hurl insults at the POC for being stupid for considering his "harmless" comments racist. He doesn't have the contrition to even begin to do that, which is why he has constantly doubled-down on whatever dumbass comment he is making at the moment.
 

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The times changed, he never did. He's almost certainly always been a toxic, racist, asshole. He was just lucky that he spent most of his playing career in the twilight of an era where it still wasn't called out, or was rationalized and apologized for. And like the narcissistic shit bag he is, when social media arrived, he tripled down on it all. And then it all blew up in his face. Imagine pissing away the mother of all second chances he got with ESPN? He could have put a large dent in the money he lost on his ridiculous adventure in gaming. But he was too much of an arrogant, blithering fuck head to control his worst impulses. Enjoy the Volunteer state, big fella. Don't come back now, y'hear.
 

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I think Verne Gagne and Bill Watts would have to be in the conversation, lol.



That gets to my point about an inability to admit that he was ever wrong. If a POC told Schilling "Hey Curt, I like you but that was pretty racist" I'm sure his instinct would be to get super defense and hurl insults at the POC for being stupid for considering his "harmless" comments racist. He doesn't have the contrition to even begin to do that, which is why he has constantly doubled-down on whatever dumbass comment he is making at the moment.
I think the time period in which he was a player comes into play as well. In the 80s-90s-early00s, I imagine only the most overt acts and statements of racism would have invoked pushback or a response from a POC teammate. Subtle or subconscious acts that now would be called out immediately were probably things that might have been shrugged off as nothing or "not worth it" or might have labeled the person calling it out as too sensitive or even a troublemaker. You know, basically the same reaction we see from right-wing folks now...the old "(over)playing the race card" gambit. So it would never occur to him that he's doing anything even tinged with racism. After 30-40+ years of that, he's just a stubborn asshole who can't admit he might have been wrong about things.

edit: or what cornwalls said more elegantly than I did.
 

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Leaving in a bit to the studio :)
That gets to my point about an inability to admit that he was ever wrong. If a POC told Schilling "Hey Curt, I like you but that was pretty racist" I'm sure his instinct would be to get super defense and hurl insults at the POC for being stupid for considering his "harmless" comments racist.
But if you recall back, G38 went into considerable detail right here on SoSH about how the US kids in the minors had to help out the guys from the islands with every day life: how to do laundry, how to shop, how to IIRC maintain proper hygiene, in addition to a myriad of other common every day tasks. Color/origin/education didn't really come into play for him.
 

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But if you recall back, G38 went into considerable detail right here on SoSH about how the US kids in the minors had to help out the guys from the islands with every day life: how to do laundry, how to shop, how to IIRC maintain proper hygiene, in addition to a myriad of other common every day tasks. Color/origin/education didn't really come into play for him.
One has to wonder if he was embellishing.
 

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If I were a manager or coach, I would tell my players that unless it's a league-mandated thing, they don't have to talk to the media, but if they talk when things are going well, they should talk when things are going badly.
Pre-Covid, it was a MLB requirement that players should cooperate with the media. Most leagues do. Players could always hide in the trainer’s room, or just look so pissed off, nobody would approach them. John Hannah was good at that in the Patriots’ locker room. His intensity post-game was palpable. But you’re right. Players should talk in good times and bad. I think Schilling did that. He never hid.
 

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This ex-Phillie a-hole actually thinks he's punishing people here by announcing this, that he'll teach a lot of people a lesson by leaving after they weren't "nice" enough to him.
As usual, he is completely wrong.
 

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my guess is that he will buy some property near the Chickamauga battlefield which was the most significant Confederate victory in the Western Theater. Stone Mountain is just an added benefit.
I had an Army reunion in Chattanooga in 2016. Never knew that Confederate soldiers could not be buried in National cemeteries. We toured the one in Chattanooga. All union soldiers. Confederates have their own cemetery elsewhere in town. What would Curt think? Did he have a favorite side in the Civil War?
 

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I had an Army reunion in Chattanooga in 2016. Never knew that Confederate soldiers could not be buried in National cemeteries. We toured the one in Chattanooga. All union soldiers. Confederates have their own cemetery elsewhere in town. What would Curt think? Did he have a favorite side in the Civil War?
He talks about”white Christians under attack” and other stuff so I tend to think he’s not a Union man.
 

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When we associated with him when we did the two auctions for ALS, he was a real ass hole. Fris can tell you stories he heard from Mass ALS about some of his antics. We had to pull teeth just to get him to the field to take a picture with the "big check" we had made up for the ceremony.

He signed one of the carbon copies of the cashier's checks we presented to Mass ALS. Anybody want it? :rolleyes:
 

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Sorry, my post was too political and off topic.
 
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