SBLII: What Did the Butler Do?
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Are you fucking serious, they got crushed that game at home, a garbage time TD doesn't change the narrative no matter how much you wish cast, look at the box score
I assumed it will still illness related unless that Rowe quote is accurate. I thought he was only a limited participant all week which could have meant he was entirely isolated and just stretching his legs all week.
I think all we can piece together is that Butler did something and BB and/or the coaching staff told him he wasn't playing regular defensive snaps before the game. What he did is the question but he clearly crossed a big line. Furthermore, it appears it was a big enough deal that Belichick felt that he needed to make an example out of Butler. To me, it suggests something that clearly wasn't trivial (foot jokes in a presser for example).
This is my point of view as well, I assume Malcolm must have done something because no one can possibly think that Bademosi is better than him.
I think you're wrong. They only needed to make a couple of plays, and Butler is the better player. Otherwise, why did he play almost every snap all season?
Not only that, with JJ getting injured taking Butler out means when you're in a nickle or dime you have 2 guys in there that haven't played a lot of snaps together this year. Almost makes sense why guys were wide fucking open all game.
unless his "flu" so incapcitated him, Butler's benching, for inferior CBs, seems to have made no sense.
Odd. That doesn’t change anything, though. Why did they give up on him? It sounds like they gave up on him suddenly.
Fine but this is his last game a a patriot and you gave up 41 points to a back up QB. Everyone is worried about Brady hitting the cliff, what about Bill?
Let’s say BB really did think Butler was a bad matchup against Philly coming into the game. That’s all well and good but when he doesn’t see the field all game and you litterally never stop them, then shame on you for not aleast making an adjustment and giving him a chance.
That being said, this for sure feels like decipline to me. Just because none of it makes at all. Something happened and we may never get the story.
That being said, this for sure feels like decipline to me. Just because none of it makes at all. Something happened and we may never get the story.
Not everyone questioning the call is calling fir him to get fired or anything. It was a weird call. It's ok to question it. I enjoyed that game. I was on the edge of my seat the whole game. I was really impressed by how the Eagles played, and I'm actually genuinely happy for them.
I think BB is the greatest football genius the works has ever seen. I hope he's with the team fir another decade. I think he benched Butler for disciplinary reasons and lied about it. Just because the evidence really points to that. If more evidence changes that, I'll be happy to update it.
But it has nothing to do with entitlement. It's weird, and that weird thing may or may not have made a different outcome. Even the best of the best are human and make mistakes.
He played 98% of the snaps, practiced all week with the 1’s, then is completely benched? The explanations do not add up.
I completely trust Belichick, but that only means that I trust he is doing what he genuinely feels is giving the team the best chance of winning. That doesn't mean I trust that every decision he makes i the wright one. He's not infallible. He makes mistakes. When I say I trust in BB, it doesn't mean I trust him always to be right.
I cannot say whether he was right or wrong tonight, obviously. But I'm highly skeptical for about 41 reasons. So, while I trust that he did what he genuinely believed was right, that doesn't mean it was right. And I have some serious questions -- regardless of how often he's shown he usually is right.
I cannot say whether he was right or wrong tonight, obviously. But I'm highly skeptical for about 41 reasons. So, while I trust that he did what he genuinely believed was right, that doesn't mean it was right. And I have some serious questions -- regardless of how often he's shown he usually is right.
Yep and I think he is lying.
As RO just said he played 98% of snaps all year and he practiced with the 1s this week. What else could it be?
Edit: Rowe is on NBC Sports and he has no idea what is going on with that either, though he did just say he was the corner opposite of Gilmore during practice so who the hell knows.
Right!
Call it a football decision and the best you can say is that you are braindead during the game because you are getting torched all night and don't, you know, run the guy out there and see what he can do.
This is obviously bull shit that is was a 'football decision.'
Especially since they had him active. Either he is too sick to be active, or you run him out at some point in the 30 fucking drives where you are getting lit up.
Considering that Butler made arguably the greatest single play in franchise history, securing a super bowl victory in the middle of the deflategate shit storm, it's really sad the way the relationship seems to have soured between him and the organization. It sucks that this is the way things will likely end for him in New England.
Despite what a few apologists here will claim, it was absolute gross negligence on BB’s part to keep Butler on the sideline while the D, And especially his replacements, showed no ability to stop the eagles. If u are willing to try Bademosi over 3 year, non hurt effective starter, I’m not sure what there is to say.
Butler is probably the surest tackler of all the cornerbacks as well
Butler is probably the surest tackler of all the cornerbacks as well
2 options here
1. This was disciplinary. In which case I guess you have to withhold judgement without knowing the facts.
2. Football decision. In which case it’s fair to criticize given the defensive performance tonight.
1. This was disciplinary. In which case I guess you have to withhold judgement without knowing the facts.
2. Football decision. In which case it’s fair to criticize given the defensive performance tonight.
I guess BB, the master of making in game adjustments, then couldn't figure out Butler had to be back in there when his replacements were getting lit up? That's dumber than opinions you're calling high.
First you claimed that Welker was benched for a half. That was incorrect. Then you claimed that the Pats lost by double digits. Also incorrect.
Own it.
Especially considering how the reason Butler was in position to make a game changing pick in Super Bowl 49 in the first place is because he was brought in to replace Arrington, who was struggling to cover 6'5 Chris Matthews. Unless he murdered a member of Bill's immediate family, it's ridiculous that he wasn't given a chance to step in.
It's the money. It's always the money. Bill wanted to prove he could win without him and it backfired.
Bill said it was a football decision. Butler said he has zero idea why. Safe to say it was a football decision to me. Butler wouldn’t claim ignorance if he did something
Agree 100%. The blind devotion to B.B. here is embarrassing. Great coach. May have cost the pats the super bowl here.
BB has reached the point of his career when he could give two shits about what anyone thinks of his personnel decisions.
I believe Butler would have helped the secondary make more plays. They play as a unit and him not being in there has to have a negative effect at least communication wise. Plus we know he's capable of making big plays. It's a shame he was held out for whatever reason.
Setting aside the decision not to play Butler, in what world are we expecting a thorough explanation of why they did it - from BB or Patricia or anyone else in the organization? Its almost as if people haven't been following this team closely but I know you/others have.
I get being upset with the decision itself but those complaining about the explanation are essentially getting upset that water is wet. The Pats dont do explanations for stuff like this. They never have since Belichick arrived.
Well they scored a garbage TD in that Jets game as it was essentially a 2 score game.
This team doesn't owe me anything. I know that with the way that press vultures around them and the way the league has been at times, they are going to be guarded and tight lipped.
But, hell, man -- there are people like us out her who fall in love with these guys, who care, who are the reason this sport exists. I don't mind when Belichick is surly with the press, or guarded, but at some point I do think they act as though we're not even out here. That somehow this only matters to them, not to us. This is just a shitty thing to say. If you want to say, "I'm not going to talk about it," then at least man up and do it that way.
Packages? Man, there people out here who really care about this. Don't insult us too.
Not really. His one job is to back his bosses decision and work through it. That’s the mentality of a football coach, and whining from entitled fans isn’t going to change it.
I think there is something fishy going on, but this is the dumbest take of the night in which people have posted a lot of dumb takes.
All the patriots needed was perhaps 1 stop on the seemingly hundred 3rd and 7s they gave up, especially late. Butler 100% could have helped
We have a long storied tradition here on the board of calling people out for incorrect information. It's been done to me many times. Just carrying on the usual tradition here.
Come on they've been fighting over money for two years. Have you ever been in a workplace with a contract dispute? This happens all the time.
Weird thing is that the Pats never punted while the Eagles only punted once. Both defenses were crap. The numbers breaks worked out in favor of the Eagles by the end. Their turnover was deep in Pats territory, unfortunately the one Pats turnover led to the crucial 3 extra points.
Look. This guy played on the defense for the whole fucking year. He struggled, sure. But Belichick has had the option of moving Bademosi and Jordan Richards ahead of him on the depth chart for literally months now, and he never did it.
Belichick will spout his bullshit about how the best thing for the football team was for Butler to play 99% of the defensive snaps for a whole fucking season until the SB, and then to get 0% in the SB, but still to be dressed for the game, thus wasting a roster spot. It is absolute bullshit.
Belichick just lost a SB, beaten by his own fucking ego. What an embarrasment.
No one deserves the goat horns more than BB over this one.
Belichick will spout his bullshit about how the best thing for the football team was for Butler to play 99% of the defensive snaps for a whole fucking season until the SB, and then to get 0% in the SB, but still to be dressed for the game, thus wasting a roster spot. It is absolute bullshit.
Belichick just lost a SB, beaten by his own fucking ego. What an embarrasment.
No one deserves the goat horns more than BB over this one.
Next time write your post more clearly then. You stated something factually incorrect.
I think we're done here.
Butler isn't playing for the Pats next year, what do they care what he is paid?