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"Hey Jarod...you're doing great man, we're good."

(After the pick to Gilmore with 4 minutes left)

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I know. Just devastating. The PFW guys were talking about that moment today, but as they point out: what’s McVay going to say?

Kid seems overwhelmed by the moment, but there’s still 4 minutes left in the Super Bowl and the Pats have the ball pinned at their own 4. If the Rams could have gotten a stop, it would have been on Goff again still only down 7.
 

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I know. Just devastating. The PFW guys were talking about that moment today, but as they point out: what’s McVay going to say?
Some Ken Titus-like encouragement,
"Hey dumbass I'm glad I bet on the Pats, wussy."
 

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Heh, thanks. This one is a whale to find. My method at present is checking the box score for every game that had 16 or fewer combined points, as I suspect anything higher would allow for too many opportunities, plus that gives this year's combined total to use as a historical note. Thereafter, I immediately remove any games with FGs made of 38 or less, implying at least two red zone snaps existed, if the kick was not to end a half.

I plan to fully answer this but based on my criteria it's before BB signed as HC of the NEP.
Seems likely. The Snowplow game from 1982 is a good possibility but I can't find a play by play or drive chart to confirm. Guess who was the Pats' Special Teams and Tight Ends coach for that game?

 
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I had a pretty good impression of Sean McVay before this game but watching these clips and his post game interview changed that. He came off as egotistical, nervous, and obsequious to BB somehow all within a 4 hr span. Even his quote "I was outcoached" makes it all about him rather than the players. It seems like he was treating the SB as genius vs. genius chess match and discounting the role of the actual players. Contrast that with BB who ALWAYS after a big win says "all credit goes to the players." And even Wade Phillips said something similar in an article I read pregame. Talking about Brady and Pats O he said "you can't outcoach the great ones, you have to out execute 'em." I think McVay can learn from this. He seems like he could be a great one if he learns from experience.
McVay acted like a kid on his first time at Disneyland. “That’s cool how the roof opens and closes”, while Belichick is concerned over the wind vs. no wind, open vs. closed. And then meeting Belichick, he acts like a little league manager meeting John McGraw. You know what other young coach I bet wouldn’t be all dufus? Kyle Shanahan. Curious to see what happens in the NFC west (Jimmy G needs to come back strong). Seattle too.
 

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McVay acted like a kid on his first time at Disneyland. “That’s cool how the roof opens and closes”, while Belichick is concerned over the wind vs. no wind, open vs. closed. And then meeting Belichick, he acts like a little league manager meeting John McGraw. You know what other young coach I bet wouldn’t be all dufus? Kyle Shanahan. Curious to see what happens in the NFC west (Jimmy G needs to come back strong). Seattle too.
The interview took out Belilcek's complements. It was a standard coach talk.
 

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I’ve thought a lot about that and I want to give McVay the benefit of the doubt... but I can’t help but interpret that over the top fawning as arrogance masquerading as humility. Like, this is a guy convinced that he’s gonna whip the Pats badly so he wants to seem humble. Maybe I’m way off? I just thought “this is a guy convinced he’s attending his own coronation and he wants to make sure he looks good before by exalting his opponent so as to make his inevitable triumph seem all the more impressive.”
 

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This is one of the first times I've seen the Brady-Edelman relationship not feel totally forced by Edelman. In the ATL and SEA Super Bowls (God, we're blessed), it felt more like Edelman trying to be the little brother to Brady. This time, you could really feel the mutual respect and admiration for each other.
 

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This is one of the first times I've seen the Brady-Edelman relationship not feel totally forced by Edelman. In the ATL and SEA Super Bowls (God, we're blessed), it felt more like Edelman trying to be the little brother to Brady. This time, you could really feel the mutual respect and admiration for each other.
Now they’ve both cheated and come back from suspension to win a SB. That’s a bond that never breaks.
 

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Mic'd up is not showing all the throws but what really stood out in this video is that basically all of Goff's throws looked like wobbly ducks, I don't think there was one tight spiral in there. There's a world of difference to how Brady throws the ball.
 

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lol @ Bill complaining about the roof being open for the kick off.
I'm not LOL, I'm in awe.

He's clearly annoyed, but he also has a plan in place based on how long it's going to take to close the roof and when they're beginning to close it.

I would be completely unsurprised if he said “Okay, so Andre 3000 came out for a surprise appearance with Big Boi at halftime; we've planned for that, and have a tweak to our play calling based on the difference in crowd noise that caused.”
 

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People are really hard on McVay here. Yea it was a little awkward but the guy is 33 meeting the obvious GOAT in his field. And its not like he got trounced - it was a close game.

That said he really did sound like a dweeb! Nerd.
 

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I agree.

He looks like a kid that doesn't belong there and has no confidence in himself. His motivational stuff on the sidelines is all just...weak.

I could be very wrong, he has to be a good coach to do what he's done with them. But he doesn't come off strong at all.
We are all spoiled by Belichick on this front. Where he gives detailed or focused talks about people doing their assignments (always to the D, right?), every other coach in the league resorts to tired motivational stuff that is out of some bad Josh Lucas movie.

I still remember seeing Marty Schottenheimer’s opening pep talk to the Chargers in the 2006 Divisional Game (the Troy Brown forced fumble/“It starts with their coach” game) and thinking “This guy is way past his sell date – these guys are fucked.” And sure enough, it was Schotty’s last game as a head coach. But in retrospect, it wasn’t any worse than just about every other speech these guys give.

Except for Bill, that is.
 

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The interview took out Belilcek's complements. It was a standard coach talk.
No question that the way Inside the NFL edited the convo pregame made McVay look particularly awed. Ray Lewis absolutely killed him over it and said the game was over before it started. The Belichick responses def. added some context to it – his offer to catch up in the offseason suggests he has some respect for the guy. But when combined with the way McVay coached the rest of the game, it is pretty clear he was overwhelmed by the moment.
 

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People are really hard on McVay here. Yea it was a little awkward but the guy is 33 meeting the obvious GOAT in his field. And its not like he got trounced - it was a close game.

That said he really did sound like a dweeb! Nerd.
It has to be weird being that young, for all the whiz kid stuff. He will probably grow into the job.

Plus, I think these thinks are highly edited to try to tell a story both overtly and subtly.
 

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I put this elsewhere, but when they showed Goff during the anthem, my wife said he looks scared and asked who it wa. When I told her, she said, "Oh, that's not good."
I avoided the game thread like the plague once the game started but someone pointed out during the anthem I think that Goff’s hands were shaking.
 

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No question that the way Inside the NFL edited the convo pregame made McVay look particularly awed. Ray Lewis absolutely killed him over it and said the game was over before it started. The Belichick responses def. added some context to it – his offer to catch up in the offseason suggests he has some respect for the guy. But when combined with the way McVay coached the rest of the game, it is pretty clear he was overwhelmed by the moment.
I thought there was another moment that actually looked worse for McVay. In a quiet moment just before the game he's captured excitedly muttering how he can't wait to see what schemes the Patriots have come up with. It came across a bit like he's too focused on his football wizardry and is anxious to see what the opposing wizard has come up with. It came across a bit like I remember the image of Mike Martz. And given that he didn't change his plans at all once he'd seen the Patriots' schemes, it takes away some less negative impressions of it.
 

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I thought there was another moment that actually looked worse for McVay. In a quiet moment just before the game he's captured excitedly muttering how he can't wait to see what schemes the Patriots have come up with. It came across a bit like he's too focused on his football wizardry and is anxious to see what the opposing wizard has come up with. It came across a bit like I remember the image of Mike Martz. And given that he didn't change his plans at all once he'd seen the Patriots' schemes, it takes away some less negative impressions of it.
Completely agree with this. It was like a kid who excels at math or science being excited about the upcoming exam because he knows he will figure out whatever tricks were up the professor’s sleeve... only to flunk the exam.
 

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I thought Mcvay was fine. He knows Goff better than any of us and he probably knows what Goff needs, psychologically, to succeed. At least better than we do. And really, even after the interception, they had the Patriots pinned on the 4-yard line. One 3-and-out and the Rams likely get the ball in very good field position. That was a major mistake to throw the INT but McVay had to keep Goff in the game mentally at that point.

As for his comments to BB at the start...I thought he was just trying to be nice and respectful. Nothing wrong with that. Did he get out-coached? Yes, I think he did. But obviously it wasn't a gross mismatch, as the game came down to the last drive or so. He hung in there against BB with a far inferior QB. So he was doing something right.
 

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I thought there was another moment that actually looked worse for McVay. In a quiet moment just before the game he's captured excitedly muttering how he can't wait to see what schemes the Patriots have come up with. It came across a bit like he's too focused on his football wizardry and is anxious to see what the opposing wizard has come up with. It came across a bit like I remember the image of Mike Martz. And given that he didn't change his plans at all once he'd seen the Patriots' schemes, it takes away some less negative impressions of it.
Yeah, I don’t know if it’s a bad look but I do agree he seemed to be nerding out over matching wits with the master, and I can buy him probably being overly focused on one aspect of his job on game day, potentially to the detriment of other responsibilities. But, I am willing to give the guy a mulligan on the moment being a little too big for him at 33 years old and with only a couple of seasons of NFL head coaching under his belt, having to face off against the greatest NFL coach ever, maybe the greatest coach in any team sport ever. And shit if the ball bounced a little differently on a couple of plays he might have won the game which totally changes the narrative.
 

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I thought there was another moment that actually looked worse for McVay. In a quiet moment just before the game he's captured excitedly muttering how he can't wait to see what schemes the Patriots have come up with. It came across a bit like he's too focused on his football wizardry and is anxious to see what the opposing wizard has come up with. It came across a bit like I remember the image of Mike Martz. And given that he didn't change his plans at all once he'd seen the Patriots' schemes, it takes away some less negative impressions of it.
Agree – that stuck out to me as well. When you think of some of the articles that have been written on the Patriots’ defensive game plan in the week since—even accounting for the rose colored glasses those sorts of pieces always tend to be written with—you realize that the Pats changed scheme (mostly zone instead of man), matchups (having Jones at safety), personnel (Shelton who racked up DNPs this year), and style (having their D-line rush vertically).

I’m sure I’m missing a lot of other things as well. But those are ... a lot of wrinkles. Meanwhile McVay was rolling out the same play action offense they always used with no plans to adjust other than just having Goff drop back a hundred times.

The final score doesn’t really account for it. But this wasn’t Chess versus Checkers. It was D-Day vs. the September Campaign.
 

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Michael Irvin stopped by WEEI (I think) on radio row a couple of days before the Super Bowl and he was fabulous - lively, funny and with a lot to say. He talked a lot about Cooks then, saying that the Rams were a better fit for him because he didn't like having to go across the middle of the field where he might, you know, have contact with an opponent. He said that's how the Patriots wanted him to play, but not the Rams. I'm not sure how much the Pats wanted him to go across the middle, but it seems correct to say that he didn't do so well on the Pats when challenged physically. It seems as though he likes to turn on the jets, catch the ball and get tackled quickly without putting up a struggle. But back to Michael Irvin - on that day at least, he was a GREAT commentator - engaging, witty and thoughtful.
He has a weekly spot on the FAN in NYC.. it’s great.. he’s always full of energy and has interesting things to say. For instance he said the super bowl was a great game.. for all of those people who said it was boring he said it was like kids drink milk.. and having to grow up and eat meat (or real food).. this super bowl was solid food. Something like that. He really liked the chess game btwn the coaches and how well each defense played and was coached.
 

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I thought there was another moment that actually looked worse for McVay. In a quiet moment just before the game he's captured excitedly muttering how he can't wait to see what schemes the Patriots have come up with. It came across a bit like he's too focused on his football wizardry and is anxious to see what the opposing wizard has come up with. It came across a bit like I remember the image of Mike Martz. And given that he didn't change his plans at all once he'd seen the Patriots' schemes, it takes away some less negative impressions of it.
This is exactly it, in my opinion. He was way too focused on the boy genius vs. old genius chess match. Good point about Martz, very similar. Belichick is not like this, he knows it's all about putting players in the best places for success, not outscheming the other guy and hoping the players can execute it.
 

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Mic'd Up is out:

Great stuff. Stuff that stood out:
  • On the second drive, White saying he would have had a TD on the 3rd-and-8 handoff if Fowler hadn't chased him down from the backside. Watching the all-22 ... I dunno. Might have had a shot at the first though. Looked like a give up play live but I think they thought it could convert
  • Devin McCourty watching the offense and breaking down how Edelman attacked Talib's leverage. Belichick has said McCourty's on his short list of best film guys he's coached
  • Belichick knew the PA was coming on 3rd-and-2 at the 18:27ish mark (the Van Noy sack)
  • Donald is so ridiculous he expects to win every one-on-one. Heck of a game by Joe Thuney, maybe the offensive MVP apart from Edelman and maybe Gronk
  • 31:10 I think it's interesting that Belichick is talking to both Flores and Brendan Daly about getting the calls right. Will be interesting to see how/if Daly's role expands with Flores gone
  • For all that Goff sucked in this game, that was a nails throw to Cooks at 32:08ish that would have tied things (right before the pick). Great breakup by Gilmore / Harmon
  • 34:00 for the four-minute drive, Belichick telling McDaniels to run his best plays without worrying about if they're run or pass. Contrary to conventional wisdom that you have to run with there (which they did anyway)
  • Looks like it's Patterson and Dorsett giving Belichick the Gatorade bath at 38:00
 

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Also enjoyed McCourty (I think) telling Cooks "don't ever doubt it. You're a helluva player but even a better person"
Belichick telling both Flowers and McCourty "3 points" almost incredulous.
Gronk with Belichick at the end "We just needed to find our identity. And we did. Keep on grinding. That's all it was" With his classic Gronk haha.

I could watch these over and over.
 

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Yeah, I don’t know if it’s a bad look but I do agree he seemed to be nerding out over matching wits with the master, and I can buy him probably being overly focused on one aspect of his job on game day, potentially to the detriment of other responsibilities. But, I am willing to give the guy a mulligan on the moment being a little too big for him at 33 years old and with only a couple of seasons of NFL head coaching under his belt, having to face off against the greatest NFL coach ever, maybe the greatest coach in any team sport ever. And shit if the ball bounced a little differently on a couple of plays he might have won the game which totally changes the narrative.
Yeah, I bet if they had won there are a whole bunch of clips we'll never see that would have been used to tell the story.
 

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was anyone able to grab turning point?

Cant seem to find it anywhere

I have both the AFC and Superbowl I am trying to find a place to upload it to.

Wont upload to youtube because I will get a strike against me

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I may have found it.... was turning point only 30 min?
 
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Watching Turning Point now, and I think this should have been the first Super Bowl with an offensive lineman as MVP. Joe Thuney completely dominated from start to finish, neutralizing the best defensive player in the NFL. Think of all the big running plays by the Pats... they all came right behind Thuney.
 

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Still waiting for Turninf Point.

I’ll put it up when I get it.
You must have Vimeo pro?


Anyway, be on the lookout for an PM from me sometime tomorrow morning/afternoon (PST). I have a few pats video links i am going to send you so you can upload them/share them with SOSH
 
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God, that 50-minute Turning Point video went by like it was 15 minutes.

You know what, I never really believed how much a team/coach can be psyched out before the big game but the Rams clearly were. McVay is good but the inexperience shone through, painfully. Goff's inability to quickly scan the field will hold him back longer than what people may expect.

Also... first time seeing Nink on the TV circuits (I do enjoy him on NBC Sports Boston's Ex-Pats podcast). I think he's going to be a good one.


Bonus: watch the end. Cris Carter thinks the mic is off and says to Nink "I do have a problem with you, but a slight one. I would have punched you but you were drinking". Nink laughs it off -- must be thinking "I could knock your HoF ass out with my left hand".
 

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God, that 50-minute Turning Point video went by like it was 15 minutes.

You know what, I never really believed how much a team/coach can be psyched out before the big game but the Rams clearly were. McVay is good but the inexperience shone through, painfully. Goff's inability to quickly scan the field will hold him back longer than what people may expect
I was just thinking of something similar. McVay might as well say to Bill “you are the greatest ever and my team and I are so honored to even be on the same field with you and your team. We probably won’t do much today to challenge you, but, hopefully, it will be a learning experience for me and my players for down the road.”
 

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So far there has been Inside the NFL, Mic'ed Up, Turning Point.... was there also a SoundFX episode?

Also, who does everyone want in America's Game? I'd love to see Slater, Van Noy, and Belichick. Or maybe Chung.

2001 Tom Brady, Lawyer Milloy and Adam Vinatieri
2003 Charlie Weis, Rodney Harrison and Willie McGinest
2004 Troy Brown, Tedy Bruschi and Bill Belichick
2014 Rob Gronkowski, Julian Edelman, and Devin McCourty
2016 LeGarrette Blount, Julian Edelman, and Dont'a Hightower
 
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Great question, and thanks for posting the past lineups.

I’ll take Slater, Pat Chung, and James White. White seemed pretty feisty on the sidelines, I think he’s have good insight especially as a 3x champion.
 

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Can a mod put this in the OP? Thanks to @soxhop411 for sending a bunch of them...

All videos have the password "pats"

Super Bowl LIII - Inside The NFL

Super Bowl LIII - Mic'd Up

Super Bowl LIII - Turning Point

Super Bowl LIII - NFL Films Presents - Super Bowl Recap

Super Bowl LIII - New England Patriots Victory Parade

Super Bowl LIII - New England Patriots vs Los Angeles Rams (FULL GAME)
https://vimeo.com/316305501

2018/19 - AFC Championship - New England Patriots @ Kansas City Chiefs (FULL GAME)
https://vimeo.com/316309438
 

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So, watching the pregame matchup between BB and McVay in unedited form with Bill’s opener, I actually think there is a chance we are misanalyzing it. I think Bill is trying to psych out McVay by giving a compliment that is essentially his way of telling him he has watched him on tape. And I think McVay gives it back to him.

They both know the other watches tape but they are just trying to let the other guy know it in the form of a compliment. I think we’re watching dueling obsequiousness psych out attempts.