SB53: Pats vs. Rams Buildup
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More like calling the pass play call stupid than whining is what I get every time I hear it.
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Except Sherman. Biiiiggg mouth but can admit when he’s beaten and gives credit where it’s due.
I sit here, reading the above game thread. Of highlights that I didn't watch. Of games that were played years ago.
It's going to be a long week.
It's going to be a long week.
I disagree. You don't see very often players blindly turn back into the teeth of the defense. Cooks learned why there.
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Agreed that the XLIX vs. Seattle was the watershed moment, probably my most emotional moment as a fan other than the '01 Super Bowl.
As we all know, back in 2014 it had been 10 long years of agonizing playoff losses since 2004. With 3 rings, Brady was still a SB behind Montana and only one ahead of Eli and Big Ben. Every year I lived in fear that the Giants or Steelers would tie Brady at 3 and diminish his accomplishments, and I was starting to worry that for the rest of my life idiots in bars and on ESPN would talk about how "Brady never won after Spygate!"
Everything after the Butler Interception has been so much house money that we've bankrupted the casino.
Perhaps my favorite Belichick moment and description ever. The Pats defensive coaches are screaming in his ear "Bill, they're asking if you want the time out?" and cool as a cucumber like they're in a preseason game and not under a minute to go in the Super Bowl, he just says into his mic: "Yeah, I got it."
In the first Do Your Job, Bill says: "I thought about the timeout, and when I looked over there, I dunno, something just didn't look right. They started on, then they started off, and now however many seconds had gone by, and I'm thinking I'm not going to take them off the hook by taking the timeout. If they want to take it, let 'em take it. Matt asked me if I wanted the timeout and I said no, just play goal line."
That's why (EDIT) Josh Boyer saw Seattle had 3 WRs on the field and screamed to Brian Flores: "Three corners! Flo, send Malcolm!" and Brian Flores turns around and screams "MALCOLM, GO!" And the rest is... well, you know.
The trailer for that one still gives me goosebumps:
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I generally think Gladwell is hokey and bogus, but every time I hear that Belichick quote I think of the chapter in Blink where he discusses pulse rate and stress and their effects on decision making. For Bill to have stood there in that situation and kept his wits shows he has nerves of steel.
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Agreed, it really sums up one of the things which makes Belichick so great as a coach. He knew the "chalk" move to preserve clock there, and his coaching team was ensuring he thought about that. But he has more time in the game than almost anyone, and he knows this is a business of people. So he doesn't stare at a play sheet, or yell at someone, or emote. He studies the other sideline, takes in the information, plays it against decades of "what it should look like over there", thinks about the low probability of stopping Seattle if they get time to plan, and lets it ride.
There cannot be many, if any, other coaches in the league who would process all of that and make the call he did. And that reality is why he's been to more Super Bowls than any other coach.
And the next game the Seahawks played, they had a chance to test the “Beast mode for the win” theory. It ended in OT with a 4th and 1 on the Rams 42:
Marshawn Lynch left guard for -1 yards (tackle by Michael Brockers and Aaron Donald)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201509130ram.htm#all_pbp
I hear some of you guys are looking to kill some time this week with Patriots-related content. Here's one... but you gotta watch till the end, even if the somewhat-stiff interview questions grate a bit in the early going. The payoff, so to speak, is worth it.
(there's also part 2 featuring Brady's legendary beer-chugging abilities)
(there's also part 2 featuring Brady's legendary beer-chugging abilities)
Does anyone know where there would be a clip that shows that moment, of Belichick studying the opposite sideline while all the other stuff is happening? I'd love to see the look on his face. (not that it would look all that different from when he's cracking a rare joke in a press conference)
IIRC, that moment is in “Do Your Job.” You hear some assistant coach tell it from his POV, then you see BB at that moment, speaking into the headset. And since the assistant has just told us what BB said, it’s pretty easy to read his lips.
Thanks Nickell Robey-Coleman. That's all Brady needs right there is more reason to feel doubted. I mean, are people still this stupid?
Robey-Coleman said he sees ways to get to Brady “all over the place” and that the quarterback “will slowly start to reveal himself” if the Rams defense can stay connected. What will be revealed? Robey-Coleman faced Brady several times over four years with the Bills and thinks the current version is noticeably different.
“Yes. Yes. Age has definitely taken a toll. For him to still be doing it, that’s a great compliment for him. But I think that he’s definitely not the same quarterback he was,” Robey-Coleman said. “Movement. Speed. Velocity. Arm strength. He still can sling it, but he’s not slinging it as much. Whatever he was doing—because of his age and all that—he’s not doing as much of that anymore. He’s still doing the same things; he’s just not doing as much of it. And sometimes, it’s not the sharpest. But it still gets done.”
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/01/28/nickell-robey-coleman-age-has-taken-a-toll-on-tom-brady/
Robey-Coleman said he sees ways to get to Brady “all over the place” and that the quarterback “will slowly start to reveal himself” if the Rams defense can stay connected. What will be revealed? Robey-Coleman faced Brady several times over four years with the Bills and thinks the current version is noticeably different.
“Yes. Yes. Age has definitely taken a toll. For him to still be doing it, that’s a great compliment for him. But I think that he’s definitely not the same quarterback he was,” Robey-Coleman said. “Movement. Speed. Velocity. Arm strength. He still can sling it, but he’s not slinging it as much. Whatever he was doing—because of his age and all that—he’s not doing as much of that anymore. He’s still doing the same things; he’s just not doing as much of it. And sometimes, it’s not the sharpest. But it still gets done.”
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/01/28/nickell-robey-coleman-age-has-taken-a-toll-on-tom-brady/
Interesting note here about Belichick-McVay comms during the season.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/01/27/super-bowl-53-sean-mcvay-drive-rams-patriots-fmia-peter-king/
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/01/27/super-bowl-53-sean-mcvay-drive-rams-patriots-fmia-peter-king/
Doh!
Thanks, I had played that in the background while I was doing other stuff ("work"), and every time I looked up it was a talking head.
I was on a flight when I saw this last year and Brady looks so fucking weird in it.
Maybe better for another thread, but here's the roster construction for the Pats and Rams:
NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS
Homegrown on 53: 31 (23 draftees/8 college free agents)
Outside free agents on 53: 14
Trades/waivers on 53: Eight
LOS ANGELES RAMS
Homegrown on 53: 33 (26 draftees/8 college free agents)
Outside free agents on 53: 11
Trades/waivers on 53: Nine
So BB can't draft yada yada yada. FWIW, here's how KC and NO were constructed as well:
KANSAS CITY CHIEFS
Homegrown on 53: 25 (21 draftees/4 college free agents)
Outside free agents on 53: 21
Trades/waivers on 53: Seven
NEW ORLEANS SAINTS
Homegrown on 53: 28 (20 draftees/8 college free agents)
Outside free agents on 53: 20
Trades/waivers on 53: five
So of the four final teams left in the playoffs, the Pats had the 2nd most homegrown players, and the 2nd most drafted players. For a team that "sucks" at drafting, given their annual draft position, they seem to do just fine at putting together an elite roster via the draft.
NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS
Homegrown on 53: 31 (23 draftees/8 college free agents)
Outside free agents on 53: 14
Trades/waivers on 53: Eight
LOS ANGELES RAMS
Homegrown on 53: 33 (26 draftees/8 college free agents)
Outside free agents on 53: 11
Trades/waivers on 53: Nine
So BB can't draft yada yada yada. FWIW, here's how KC and NO were constructed as well:
KANSAS CITY CHIEFS
Homegrown on 53: 25 (21 draftees/4 college free agents)
Outside free agents on 53: 21
Trades/waivers on 53: Seven
NEW ORLEANS SAINTS
Homegrown on 53: 28 (20 draftees/8 college free agents)
Outside free agents on 53: 20
Trades/waivers on 53: five
So of the four final teams left in the playoffs, the Pats had the 2nd most homegrown players, and the 2nd most drafted players. For a team that "sucks" at drafting, given their annual draft position, they seem to do just fine at putting together an elite roster via the draft.
But wait, there’s more...
“I've got Buffalo blood running through my veins, so you know I hate these guys," Robey-Coleman said. "I naturally hate them. I never liked New England."
In the interview, the Rams defensive back mentioned that he hates the Patriots' "arrogance" and that they do "assh---" things like go for it on fourth down when they're ahead by a lot in the fourth quarter.
"S--t like that. Little s--t to look down upon a team," Robey-Coleman said. "Little assh--- stuff like that. That's what makes you not like New England."
They just need to run a play which enables Gronk to throw Nickell Robey-Coleman "out of the club" as his final act...
I honestly can’t rememmber the last FU touchdown or decision to go for it on 4th up 30+. Maybe the AFCG vs Indy? Bill has chilled considerably since the ‘07 days.
Wasn't there a play this year where we got a RB touchdown on a nice outside run (or screen) to the left, and the last line of defense might have been able to make a play but coming straight at them was Trent Brown and instead they just dove out of the way rather than get road-graded? I think it was on a Belichick Breakdown.
We just need to dial that one up. Here you go, Nickell, make a play - but first, Trent Brown is coming at you and might end up sitting on your face.
Even in '07 the only time they actively ran up the score was on the Redskins game. Belichick really wanted to stick it to Joe Gibbs for some reason. The other blowouts they basically ran Heath Evans and Kyle Eckel up the middle for most of the 4th quarter (and sometimes teams couldn't even stop that). People wanted them to sit Brady midway through the second quarter of some of those games, looking back on it the outcry was so disproportionate to what actually went on.
2007 game against the Steelers. Remember Anthony Smith fellas?
https://www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2017/01/18/looking-back-on-anthony-smith-guaranteeing-a-steelers-win-against-the-patriots
https://deadspin.com/tom-brady-owns-the-steelers-1791575072
https://www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2017/01/18/looking-back-on-anthony-smith-guaranteeing-a-steelers-win-against-the-patriots
https://deadspin.com/tom-brady-owns-the-steelers-1791575072
That was a hell of a game. Same day the Sox beat the Rockies in game 4, too. What a day to be alive.
When it makes your Wiki entry, you know you have arrived.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Smith_(safety)
I don't get the outcry about teams going for it or scoring when up by a lot. Are they supposed to just kneel the ball and punt if up by too much? If so, how much? And what about the people that paid to see 4 quarters of football?
Seems generous to go for it on 4th instead of kicking a FG since you give them a chance to stop you instead of just adding another 3 points.
Seems generous to go for it on 4th instead of kicking a FG since you give them a chance to stop you instead of just adding another 3 points.
"If you don't like it, then stop us."
Basically what it boils down to. They're giving you a free opportunity (on usually a generic play call) to take the ball from them.
I have this silly argument with a Giants fan all the time.
His premise is that the Pats are assholes cause they run up the score.
It’s as if he and everyone else of his ilk forgets that the Pats came back from 28-3 halfway through the third quarter.
Or they think this is Pee Wee Football.
Shockingly foolish.
His premise is that the Pats are assholes cause they run up the score.
It’s as if he and everyone else of his ilk forgets that the Pats came back from 28-3 halfway through the third quarter.
Or they think this is Pee Wee Football.
Shockingly foolish.
Frankly, anyone who makes that argument is telling on himself.
If you think it’s bad for a team to be prepared for any situation or to play a full 60 minutes every single week just in case there comes a time where you NEED to get that yard or score in minutes 57/58/59/60, then just say that or shut your mouth. Same kind of people who think it’s lucky that they have so many comeback wins and late game-winning drives while the opponent is chasing its tail.
But I guess that’s why there are so many teams out there who are so far behind that their fans literally believe the Patriots must have their playbook on file.
If you think it’s bad for a team to be prepared for any situation or to play a full 60 minutes every single week just in case there comes a time where you NEED to get that yard or score in minutes 57/58/59/60, then just say that or shut your mouth. Same kind of people who think it’s lucky that they have so many comeback wins and late game-winning drives while the opponent is chasing its tail.
But I guess that’s why there are so many teams out there who are so far behind that their fans literally believe the Patriots must have their playbook on file.