Sandy Leon waived

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this is not the same as a DFA, right?
No. A DFA is a step before waivers in order to remove someone from the 40-man roster.

Now that Leon has been placed on waivers, any team may claim him. If more than one team claims the player from waivers, the team with the weakest 2018 record in the AL gets preference. If no team in the AL claims him, the claiming team with the weakest 2018 record in the NL gets preference.

If Leon is claimed, the Red Sox may (1) arrange a trade with the claiming team within two business days of the claim; (2) rescind the request and keep Leon on its major league roster, effectively canceling the waiver; or (3) do nothing and allow the claiming team to assume Leon's existing contract. My guess is that, if claimed, the Red Sox will try to get a minor league asset from the claiming team and, if unsuccessful, will simply let Leon go to the claiming team.

If no team claims Leon off waivers after three business days, Leon may be assigned to the minors, traded (to any team), or released outright. In this case, Leon would likely be released outright; otherwise his entire salary becomes guaranteed on Thursday.
 

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No. A DFA is a step before waivers in order to remove someone from the 40-man roster.

Now that Leon has been placed on waivers, any team may claim him. If more than one team claims the player from waivers, the team with the weakest 2018 record in the AL gets preference. If no team in the AL claims him, the claiming team with the weakest 2018 record in the NL gets preference.

If Leon is claimed, the Red Sox may (1) arrange a trade with the claiming team within two business days of the claim; (2) rescind the request and keep Leon on its major league roster, effectively canceling the waiver; or (3) do nothing and allow the claiming team to assume Leon's existing contract. My guess is that, if claimed, the Red Sox will try to get a minor league asset from the claiming team and, if unsuccessful, will simply let Leon go to the claiming team.

If no team claims Leon off waivers after three business days, Leon may be assigned to the minors, traded (to any team), or released outright. In this case, Leon would likely be released outright; otherwise his entire salary becomes guaranteed on Thursday.
I think the Sox would love to remove Leon from the 25 man roster, but keep him in AAA. We don't have any catching depth!
 

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I think they'd like to free up $1.875mm in AAV (less any replacement 40-man player) and get a controlled minor league asset back. Neither of those things happen if he goes to the minors.
 

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Lots of all-defense/ no offense catchers available. Devin Mesoraco, Andrew Susac, Tom Murphy, Bryan Holaday, Brett Nicholas, Rene Rivera.

I don't believe Leon is going to get claimed.
 

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Wow, one day after he signs a very team friendly extension, the Sox do Sale dirty like that and cut his personal catcher. We might have some jersey shredding in our future (I kid of course, but I bet he's not happy about this).
 

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Wow, one day after he signs a very team friendly extension, the Sox do Sale dirty like that and cut his personal catcher. We might have some jersey shredding in our future (I kid of course, but I bet he's not happy about this).
I'd like to think that Sale is an adult and will be fine without a catcher he didn't have for the first five years of his big league career (not to mention the minors and prior). This sort of thing is part of life in the big leagues. He certainly looked fine yesterday pitching to Vazquez.
 

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So do we think Swihart will be limited to catcher #2 duties or get some other playing time? We don't control Holt or Nunez or Pearce after this year. Do we want to continue to develop his defensive versatility?
 

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So do we think Swihart will be limited to catcher #2 duties or get some other playing time? We don't control Holt or Nunez or Pearce after this year. Do we want to continue to develop his defensive versatility?
Lin, Hernandez, Travis, Chavis, Dalbec. I think the team is okay with reserve depth to not need to aggressively keep Swihart ready for a utility role. I also don't expect Holt's going anywhere. He strikes me as the new Wakefield...around as long as he is remotely useful and likely at a team friendly rate because he has no interest in leaving.
 

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As a Swihart fanboy, this nees makes me very happy. Blake's positional flexibility, youth, and batting potential was too good to pass up for someone like Sandy.
 

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No. A DFA is a step before waivers in order to remove someone from the 40-man roster.

Now that Leon has been placed on waivers, any team may claim him. If more than one team claims the player from waivers, the team with the weakest 2018 record in the AL gets preference. If no team in the AL claims him, the claiming team with the weakest 2018 record in the NL gets preference.

If Leon is claimed, the Red Sox may (1) arrange a trade with the claiming team within two business days of the claim; (2) rescind the request and keep Leon on its major league roster, effectively canceling the waiver; or (3) do nothing and allow the claiming team to assume Leon's existing contract. My guess is that, if claimed, the Red Sox will try to get a minor league asset from the claiming team and, if unsuccessful, will simply let Leon go to the claiming team.

If no team claims Leon off waivers after three business days, Leon may be assigned to the minors, traded (to any team), or released outright. In this case, Leon would likely be released outright; otherwise his entire salary becomes guaranteed on Thursday.
This is a great explanation of the process. I believe an additional consideration is that if Leon is not claimed and is assigned to the minors that he has the right to refuse the assignment and becomes a Free Agent. Not sure if that would affect guaranteed money in his contract or not.
 

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I don’t think they will expose the #2 catcher to other positions, except in extenuating circumstances; given the lack of organizational depth at the position
 

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I’m wondering if vaz and Blake will do a 3/5 2/5 split... or Cora will assign pitcher- catcher matchups... or base it on offensive matchups against opposing pitchers
 

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I’m wondering if vaz and Blake will do a 3/5 2/5 split... or Cora will assign pitcher- catcher matchups... or base it on offensive matchups against opposing pitchers
I would think initially they're not going to tie any pitcher to a particular catcher and let situation dictate playing time. I expect the only pitcher they might be careful about is Sale. Not because he necessarily has a preference but because he notoriously doesn't call his own game. It might be better to have him work with one catcher or the other just for consistency on that end. The other pitchers are more apt to shake off a pitch and take ownership of how they attack hitters, so might be less affected by swapping back and forth between the two.
 

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I'd like to think that Sale is an adult and will be fine without a catcher he didn't have for the first five years of his big league career (not to mention the minors and prior). This sort of thing is part of life in the big leagues. He certainly looked fine yesterday pitching to Vazquez.
He pitched almost a third of his innings to Vazquez last year, and the results were just fine, though not quite as otherworldly as when Leon was catching.
 

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To get back more on point for a second. Vazquez/Swihart just makes more sense from an asset diversification type of process. Leon and Vaz are very similar from a skill set perspective. Swihart, despite what people think, still very much has a high relative hitting ceiling. It's the logical move.
 

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To get back more on point for a second. Vazquez/Swihart just makes more sense from an asset diversification type of process. Leon and Vaz are very similar from a skill set perspective. Swihart, despite what people think, still very much has a high relative hitting ceiling. It's the logical move.
Swihart also has not only positional but athletic versatility, because he can be used as a pinch-runner. He was the fifth-fastest player on the Sox last year by FG's Spd metric (after the three starting OFs and Lin), and the fastest catcher (regardless of playing time) in the American League. That has practical value in a straightforward way: if Vazquez gets on in a late & close situation, Cora can pinch-run for him and only use one bench asset.
 

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Swihart also has not only positional but athletic versatility, because he can be used as a pinch-runner. He was the fifth-fastest player on the Sox last year by FG's Spd metric (after the three starting OFs and Lin), and the fastest catcher (regardless of playing time) in the American League. That has practical value in a straightforward way: if Vazquez gets on in a late & close situation, Cora can pinch-run for him and only use one bench asset.
Plus Wright can also be used as a pinch runner once he gets back from suspension.
 

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If Leon clears waivers and Sox remove him from 40 man roster and he accepts the probable ml offer that IMO would be best practical outcome. He'd be in the organization at no Lux cost. Clearly trading him to LAAoA for Trout would be better but....
 

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I think the no luxury cost loophole has been closed. But I think because he will clear waivers before the contra cut becomes guaranteed, the Sox will save most of the money if he refuses the minor league assignment and opts for FA.

I love that they are keeping Swihart. Ive said it 3 times before, but his OPS against righthanders last year was 730. He should face half the righty starters, with Vazquez getting the rest of the eighties and almost all lefthanders. That’s a good platoon, assuming the splits hold up.
 

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If Leon clears waivers, can he ride the Pawtucket shuttle all year or does he have to clear each time? C is a position where guys get dinged up pretty often, he’d be super useful in that role.
If he clears waivers and ends up in Pawtucket, that means he won't be on the 40-man roster. So yes, they could call him up and add him back to the roster if need be, but to move him back down would require the same DFA/waiver process over again.
 

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Leon is going to Pawtucket. Guess he fills the Dan Butler role this season. Seems best case scenario from the Red Sox perspective. The team won't be saving on his salary though. The full contract will count against the tax cap unless they trade him.

 

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If he's off the 40 man roster and outrighted to Pawtucket, why does the salary count against the tax cap? How is this different than Rusney Castillo?
 

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If he's off the 40 man roster and outrighted to Pawtucket, why does the salary count against the tax cap? How is this different than Rusney Castillo?
apparently the CBA was changed recently.

"He’ll remain with the organization and, while he won’t count against the 40-man roster, he will count against the team’s luxury tax calculations (a technicality that was changed in the last CBA)."

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/03/sandy-leon-clears-waivers-outright-red-sox.html

Probably other teams saw us outrighting Rusney off of the luxury tax as a loophole, and it was closed.
 

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The following is sung to the tune of Barry Manilow's "Mandy":

Oh Sandy, well you came and you caught without raking,
So we sent you away,
Oh Sandy, you caught Sale and kept him from shaking,
Now you're in Triple A,
Oh Sandy...
 

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The Leon decision was the right one in my view. His hitting had deteriorated so much last year that you just can't put him ahead of the eventual Number One in October or a kid with as much apparent upside as Swihart.

At the same time, it must have been a tough one for Cora and DD. Porcello threw exclusively to Leon in the regular season and all the way until game 4 against the MFYs. Sale loves him. It's not hard to imagine either of those guys, and perhaps others, lamenting his absence (whether privately or in the media) if and when they get shelled or even have a bad outing. It would be natural human nature to point to the thing that is different. Away from the psychodrama, the fact is that the Sox pitchers had 3.50 ERA (or thereabouts) with him behind the plate, which isn't too shabby. Like David Ross, his team seems to win more with him than his compatriots.

Here's hoping Leon accepts the cab fare to Pawtucket.
 

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Okay, reading more. Because he's a month short in service time, Leon's choices are:

a) Accept his assignment to AAA with his ample paycheck.
b) Become a FA.

Given that he isn't the only glove-first C out there, I expect he'll choose a).
 

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Apparently Leon can still accept or decline his assignment to AAA.

He declines it, he loses out on his salary (not guaranteed until Opening Day). Seems reasonable to expect he'll accept the assignment considering the alternative isn't going to pay him $2.4M.
 

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The following is sung to the tune of Barry Manilow's "Mandy":

Oh Sandy, well you came and you caught without raking,
So we sent you away,
Oh Sandy, you caught Sale and kept him from shaking,
Now you're in Triple A,
Oh Sandy...
Or...sung to, well, you know...

Sandy, the curveballs are breakin' just off the corner tonight.
Forcin' Price's stoned-out face to glare in at Blue
In the top of the first.
Down in the dugout Cora wants you to use a mound visit
To calm the big guy down.
While Velazquez warms on the bullpen mound, in the bullpen part of the park.
And the fans in the stands all lose their shit, like Boston drunks along Comm Ave
Worrying about the New York score.

Oh Sandy, the scoreboard is threatening, behind us.
This batter could be the ballgame, forever.
Coax Price through it, or we may never see him again.
Hey Sandy boy.
 

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Expensive AAA catcher but a nice injury replacement option to have.

Hopefully Vazquez/Swihart can at least give them average offense at the position.
 

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apparently the CBA was changed recently.

"He’ll remain with the organization and, while he won’t count against the 40-man roster, he will count against the team’s luxury tax calculations (a technicality that was changed in the last CBA)."

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/03/sandy-leon-clears-waivers-outright-red-sox.html

Probably other teams saw us outrighting Rusney off of the luxury tax as a loophole, and it was closed.
So does that mean Rusney is grandfathered in? Or does his salary count against the luxury tax too?
 

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Or...sung to, well, you know...

Sandy, the curveballs are breakin' just off the corner tonight.
Forcin' Price's stoned-out face to glare in at Blue
In the top of the first.
Down in the dugout Cora wants you to use a mound visit
To calm the big guy down.
While Velazquez warms on the bullpen mound, in the bullpen part of the park.
And the fans in the stands all lose their shit, like Boston drunks along Comm Ave
Worrying about the New York score.

Oh Sandy, the scoreboard is threatening, behind us.
This batter could be the ballgame, forever.
Coax Price through it, or we may never see him again.
Hey Sandy boy.
approve
 

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The following is sung to the tune of Barry Manilow's "Mandy":

Oh Sandy, well you came and you caught without raking,
So we sent you away,
Oh Sandy, you caught Sale and kept him from shaking,
Now you're in Triple A,
Oh Sandy...
I need to flag how awesome this is. Yeah, saying "oh wow" isn't good main board posting, but genius is genius and needs to be acknowledged as such.