Sale to IL with “left shoulder inflammation.”

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Vague, not terrible (yet), stuck in limbo. Several people noting how dejected he seems. Dude's a gamer.

Also several people noting that they consider inflammation an initial reading, but until they do more tests, they aren't certain about this. So we really don't know much right now.
 

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Seems a little unusual that he would get both an MRI and a CT scan -possibly they’re looking for a stress reaction in the bone, which is essentially an overuse injury. That would kind of make sense given how much he is ramped up from his previous level of inactivity over the last 18 months, and the number of pitches he thrown recently.

Well, that sucks…
 

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I mean him saying he hasn’t had shoulder issues in years would make more sense if he was actually pitching during those years instead of being injured from something else.
 

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Seems a little unusual that he would get both an MRI and a CT scan -possibly they’re looking for a stress reaction in the bone, which is essentially an overuse injury. That would kind of make sense given how much he is ramped up from his previous level of inactivity over the last 18 months, and the number of pitches he thrown recently.

Well, that sucks…
What is the end result of an injury like that?
 

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DeGrom didn't pitch for the Mets last year until early August. Diagnosis was made in training camp, I believe.

Looks like Wacha also has a stress reaction in his shoulder back in 2014. He was out from mid-June to early September.
 

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And within +/- 1 hour of this announcement, Michael Wacha and Nate Eovaldi were named NL and AL pitchers of the month for May.
 

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I mean him saying he hasn’t had shoulder issues in years would make more sense if he was actually pitching during those years instead of being injured from something else.
He literally has thrown 250 innings since then.
Sale just has the worst luck
1700 innings at mostly max effort is bound to come at a cost.
 

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Actually, I recall reading years ago, while Sale was with the White Sox, an article in Fangraphs arguing that Sale was more durable than guys like deGrom and Thor because he varied the velocity on his fastball and was *not* max effort all the time. Oh well.
 

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CT scan in addition to MRI is a bit weird unless they X-Ray showed something that confused them. A stress reaction is better seen on MRI than CT.

“Inflammation” is very vague so who knows, hopefully just some tendinitis and bursitis.
 

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Cotillo with the needle:

The strong performances of Eovaldi and Wacha, along with Tigers lefty Eduardo Rodriguez, have called into question some of chief baseball officer Chaim Bloom’s decision-making when it comes to the starting rotation.
 

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Cotillo with the needle:
A: Wacha signed in February of this year. So you can say that all 29 GM who did not sign him Should be questioned about their decision making

B: why is E-rod lumped in given last season? He also just landed on the IL with a ruptured A4 pully
https://www.mlb.com/news/what-eduardo-rodriguez-s-finger-injury-could-mean-for-tigers

Nate already has 74 innings pitched. He is going to blow past (the amount of innings pitched this season) than any season he had with the Sox (injuries not withstanding)
 
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CT scan in addition to MRI is a bit weird unless they X-Ray showed something that confused them. A stress reaction is better seen on MRI than CT.

“Inflammation” is very vague so who knows, hopefully just some tendinitis and bursitis.
Unless they saw a stress reaction/fracture on the MRI and were looking at the CT to see if it was close to being an actual fracture as opposed to a stress reaction. The fact that they are getting more tests leads me down the stress reaction/fracture pathway - maybe a bone scan?
 

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Yeah ERod pitched 91 innings at a 96 era+ last year. Not exactly a guy that the Sox should have regretted not holding on to.

We all love Eovaldi and I think many of us wish he was here but it was also understandable why they let him go.

Wacha has surpassed all expectations and will come back to earth. He may have a good season but not a Cy Young type season.
 

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Unless they saw a stress reaction/fracture on the MRI and were looking at the CT to see if it was close to being an actual fracture as opposed to a stress reaction. The fact that they are getting more tests leads me down the stress reaction/fracture pathway - maybe a bone scan?
Yeah that could definitely be the case. If MRI only was the plan initially, then it showed some bone marrow edema, perhaps they added the CT later on to see if there was an actual fracture line or just stress reaction.

I doubt bone scan would add too much if there is clear bone marrow edema on MRI, as it's going to be hot for sure. Maybe if they can't tell if its real edema vs some other more chronic marrow thing.

If we're talking about some bone issue then certainly will be out more than a week or two, though long term wouldn't be as bad as some of the other options.

Sale did have that weird rib cage stress fracture in the past, so wouldn't be too surpising to see something similar pop up in the shoulder. Seems his frame/delivery might not be made for long term 95+mph throwing.
 

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Sale's comments last night per Henrique at BSJ:

“First inning was great, second was kind of when it started happening, third inning was not very good and then the fourth inning, that was one that did me in. I kind of felt it on one pitch, and then after that it just slowly kept creeping up. The tolerance was not where I needed to be. I couldn’t finish pitches. I was raring back for 91. That’s just not it [for me], ever,” said Sale.
 

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I questioned leaving him out there for 110 pitches on 5/13 the letting him go 111 on 5/20

Hopefully it’s just inflammation. I’d keep him under 100 until September as he’s been so fragile.
 

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A: Wacha signed in February of this year. So you can say that all 29 GM who did not sign him Should be questioned about their decision making

B: why is E-rod lumped in given last season? He also just landed on the IL with a ruptured A4 pully
https://www.mlb.com/news/what-eduardo-rodriguez-s-finger-injury-could-mean-for-tigers

Nate already has 74 innings pitched. He is going to blow past (the amount of innings pitched this season) than any season he had with the Sox (injuries not withstanding)
Don't bother. It's exhausting. Some guys who didn't fit the Sox plan will have good games, or weeks, or months. People implying that the Sox are stupid for not signing everyone who then got off to a good start this year are just trolling.
 

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Cotillo with the needle:
Bet he said the same thing about Schwarber and Renfroe last year who both might suck now, probably even Franchy after his scorching first week in New York. Also probably worth pointing out that as good as Wacha was in May he was that bad in April.
 
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Yeah ERod pitched 91 innings at a 96 era+ last year. Not exactly a guy that the Sox should have regretted not holding on to.

We all love Eovaldi and I think many of us wish he was here but it was also understandable why they let him go.

Wacha has surpassed all expectations and will come back to earth. He may have a good season but not a Cy Young type season.
Let's also not forget about all the whining and moaning about how stupid his last extension with the Sox was as well as the $15M per for 3-4 years that Wacha was initially asking for.
 

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B: why is E-rod lumped in given last season? He also just landed on the IL with a ruptured A4 pully
https://www.mlb.com/news/what-eduardo-rodriguez-s-finger-injury-could-mean-for-tigers
Apparently, Cotillo would have had them let ERod go last year, sign Wacha so he could have the season he had last year, then somehow get ERod back to perform how he has thus far alongside Wacha? Wacha effectively (in both senses of the word) replaced ERod last year. Can't cry about letting ERod walk and at the same time cry about letting Wacha go. It was only ever going to be one or the other.
 

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Apparently, Cotillo would have had them let ERod go last year, sign Wacha so he could have the season he had last year, then somehow get ERod back to perform how he has thus far alongside Wacha? Wacha effectively (in both senses of the word) replaced ERod last year. Can't cry about letting ERod walk and at the same time cry about letting Wacha go. It was only ever going to be one or the other.
It's the Boston sports media, and it makes them so easy to just ignore.
 

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Apparently, Cotillo would have had them let ERod go last year, sign Wacha so he could have the season he had last year, then somehow get ERod back to perform how he has thus far alongside Wacha? Wacha effectively (in both senses of the word) replaced ERod last year. Can't cry about letting ERod walk and at the same time cry about letting Wacha go. It was only ever going to be one or the other.
This type of thinking about more than just your local favorite MLB team has seemingly made its way intothe greater culture.
 

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It’s all preposterous. MRI’s and CT Scans, especially with professional athletes, are 24 hour turnaround situations. I see almost no chance this comes back with..nothing to see her. Minor inflammation, back in one week after IL stint,
 

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60 day IL = brutal news.

Obviously they found something legit beyond the tendinitis/bursitis/general inflammation.

Barring a turn around on the field, kinda doubt we won’t see Sale the rest of the year.

What’s the point of getting him back on the mound for a last place team in August/September?
 
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That's a real kick to the groin. Sadly I think this season is not going to turn around. It is time for the FO to start planning accordingly and make moves that help in 2024 and beyond.