Ryan Roberts DFA'ed

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pokey_reese said:
Who are we clearing the roster spot for?
Brock Holt
 
 
https://twitter.com/alexspeier/status/457240202948640768
 

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Brock Holt
 
 
Well, I guess he has been mashing at Pawtucket...  I'm guessing that this definitely means WMB won't be ready to go on the 20th.  Might as well let him get a few ABs at AAA to shake the rust off, and this clears a spot for him to play there.  Makes sense.
 

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pokey_reese said:
Who are we clearing the roster spot for?
 
MakMan44 said:
Brock Holt
 
https://twitter.com/alexspeier/status/457240202948640768
 
Well, that tells us who's taking the 25-man spot. But it still leaves a 40-man vacancy, which suggests either they'll add a player already in the system, or an acquisition is forthcoming.
 

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so how does it work as far as Roberts is concerned? if no one claims him, can we assign him to AAA? would the Sox then be on the hook for $1MM?
 
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Ryan, we hardly knew ye.  But I saw you make a couple nice plays at 3rd.  You got two hits, which is two more than I would have gotten.  Your B-Ref page says your nickname is "Tatman".  And your destiny may be to become known as the Adam Hyzdu of 2014.  But still, most of us would trade places with you.
 

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Ryan, we hardly knew ye.  But I saw you make a couple nice plays at 3rd.  You got two hits, which is two more than I would have gotten.  Your B-Ref page says your nickname is "Tatman".  And your destiny may be to become known as the Adam Hyzdu of 2014.  But still, most of us would trade places with you.
He may be a hard guy to find when it's time to hand out 2014 World Series rings.
 

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Ryan, we hardly knew ye.  But I saw you make a couple nice plays at 3rd.  You got two hits, which is two more than I would have gotten.  Your B-Ref page says your nickname is "Tatman".  And your destiny may be to become known as the Adam Hyzdu of 2014.  But still, most of us would trade places with you.
 
Adam Hyzdu was awesome in 2004 with the Sox.
OPS was 1.164 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hyzduad01.shtml)
 
Ryan Roberts, I won't miss you, but I've disliked you greatly since 2011 with Arizona.
 
You may have hit the walkoff grandslam in one of the most memorable finishes to a game I've ever seen, this game in 2011, http://m.mlb.com/video/v19749135/ladari-dbacks-rally-for-six-runs-in-10th/?game_pk=289301
 
But you also couldn't make an easy bunt earlier in the game that would've help tremendously. And you're nickname is Tatman. You're a douche.
 

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benhogan said:
so how does it work as far as Roberts is concerned? if no one claims him, can we assign him to AAA? would the Sox then be on the hook for $1MM?
 
Theoretically, if he clears waivers, then yes, the Sox could assign him outright to the PawSox. Roberts does not have the minimum 5 years of MLB service time required, so he cannot refuse minor league assignments while under contract. However, it would seem likely that the Sox would simply grant him his release. By choosing Brock Holt over him after less than two weeks, they've essentially told Roberts he has no practical future in the system aside from being minor league filler. To hold a guy with 4+ years service time to his contract by forcing him to play in the minors and denying him a chance to pursue big league opportunities elsewhere would be a dick move.
 
The $1 million figure no longer matters. It only pertained to his play while on Boston's 25-man active roster (or on the DL). Barring a miraculous change of heart and mind in the Sox front office, he's not going to be on the 25-man roster again, and he was never guaranteed to earn any of that money to begin with. He was only entitled to the prorated pay of that million-dollar contract (~$5,545 per day), so the Sox aren't on the hook for anything beyond the 11 days of time he was on the roster ($61,000). 
 
If he plays in the Sox minors (assuming it's AAA), he'll earn whatever salary he and the club agreed to when he signed, or the minimum 2014 AAA salary of $82,000/year. Again, he'd only get paid on a prorated basis for the days spent as an active player with Pawtucket, and they could cut him at any time without being on the hook for any further salary.
 

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Per Speier - "Farrell on designating Roberts: 'after time off following end of spring training release, he looked like he needed more ABs. Farrell says Sox 'certainly want (Roberts) to remain in the organization' of he clears waivers. But with Sox done w/stretch heavy on LH.."
 

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I like to think I caused this.
 
INTERIOR — FENWAY PARK FRONT OFFICE
 
BEN CHERINGTON, reading from computer screen at desk, nodding thoughtfully. 
 
CUT TO VIEW OF COMPUTER SCREEN TO REVEAL SONS OF SAM HORN WEBSITE.
 
BEN CHERINGTON
 
Melendez is right. Roberts has to go! 
 
ALLARD BAIRD
 
But... but... he just got here!
 
CHERINGTON
 
He goes tonight!
 
HAZEN
 
Brock Holt's been hot as a pistol the last week. 
 
CUT TO CHERINGTON, STROKING CHIN
 

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Here are the small sample details of Holt's recent exploits:
 
Overall in 12 games: .380/.446/.600/1.046 w. 5 BB, 3 K, 4 SB in 56 PA
Past week (5 games): .261/.320/.478/.798 w. 2 BB, 2 K, 1 SB in 25 PA
vs. RHP in 12 games: .419/.486/.742/1.228 w. 4 BB, 0 K in 35 PA
 
vs pitchers older than Holt (>25 yrs, 10 months): .485/.528/.697/1.225 in 36 PA
vs pitchers younger than Holt - - - - - - - - - - - - - -  .176/.300/.412/.712 in 20 PA
 
 
 
 

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absintheofmalaise said:
Per Speier - "Farrell on designating Roberts: 'after time off following end of spring training release, he looked like he needed more ABs. Farrell says Sox 'certainly want (Roberts) to remain in the organization' of he clears waivers. But with Sox done w/stretch heavy on LH.."
 
So much for all my "dick move" soapbox blathering. I'm slumping badly this month when it comes to reading the tea leaves at Yawkey Way.
 

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Cowboys Idiots N Beards said:
I'd rather lose Herrera, he hasn't been all that great, but whatever works.
Herrera bunted in a meaningless insurance run. What did Roberts do? Sport tats that would render him unemployable in the real world.
 

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That's true. But Roberts' defense was better.
 
Truly. He made several good plays at third base, at least better than his predecessors'.
 
But there's always an opening for another Dread Pirate Roberts.
 

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Ferm Sheller said:
Herrera bunted in a meaningless insurance run. What did Roberts do? Sport tats that would render him unemployable in the real world.
 
He could probably find work in a bar, but I think he's an evangelical Christian. 
 

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And fuck you masn trying to be NESN with your bricks.
Anyone who complains about Don and Jerry should be forced to watch a MASN broadcast of either the O's or Nats. Insufferable.
 

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Anyone who complains about Don and Jerry should be forced to watch a MASN broadcast of either the O's or Nats. Insufferable.
 
Rays are 20x worse. DeWayne Statts makes Tommy Heinson look impartial. Hawk Harrelson is close too. But yeah those broadcasts are pretty bad.  Tatman is probably going to end up staying in the division. The Yankees seem to love signing our cast offs for the last decade or so. Would not be shocked to see him in the Bronx. 
 

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Tyrone Biggums said:
 
 Would not be shocked to see him in the Bronx. 
Is there a corollary in the Bronx to the no beards rule?  Will Roberts have to go through a Yankee-approved sand-blasting before they let him play a game? Body-stocking?

 
 

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Tyrone Biggums said:
 
Rays are 20x worse. DeWayne Statts makes Tommy Heinson look impartial. Hawk Harrelson is close too. But yeah those broadcasts are pretty bad.  Tatman is probably going to end up staying in the division. The Yankees seem to love signing our cast offs for the last decade or so. Would not be shocked to see him in the Bronx. 
We play the Yankees on Tuesday. Wouldn't be surprised to see some gamesmanship to have the Yankees sign him for no other reason than to make the Red Sox change some signals for the series...
 

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NDame616 said:
We play the Yankees on Tuesday. Wouldn't be surprised to see some gamesmanship to have the Yankees sign him for no other reason than to make the Red Sox change some signals for the series...
 
They won't be signing him for that series. It'll be at least a week and up to 10 days before Roberts clears waivers or a claim is announced, and if he does clear then the Sox would still have to release him from his contract.
 

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They won't be signing him for that series. It'll be at least a week and up to 10 days before Roberts clears waivers or a claim is announced, and if he does clear then the Sox would still have to release him from his contract.
 
Complete brain fart. My mind was doing the "post trade deadline waiver" math
 

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I forgot that the waiver process for re-assigning players is much quicker than when it's used to clear a player for a trade. 
 

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In accepting his assignment to AAA he still gets his million dollars if he remains with the team all season, right?  That kinda seems like a no brainer for a guy that shouldn't have gotten a million dollars in the first place.
 

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In accepting his assignment to AAA he still gets his million dollars if he remains with the team all season, right?  That kinda seems like a no brainer for a guy that shouldn't have gotten a million dollars in the first place.
 
It was a non-guaranteed deal, so he gets minor league paychecks while he's there, not what the big league contract promised.  There's no million dollars for him.
 

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It was a non-guaranteed deal, so he gets minor league paychecks while he's there, not what the big league contract promised.  There's no million dollars for him.
 
Then is it the league minimum if he gets called back up?
 

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Then is it the league minimum if he gets called back up?
 
No, he would revert back to receiving $5,545 per day per his contract, which would be prorated from his $1,000,000 annual salary.
 
When I wrote upthread that the million dollars "no longer matters" it was in the context of him playing in the minors, under the assumption that he wouldn't be back on the 25-man. And I still believe it's a long shot that he'll play for Boston again. Remember, for him to be "called up" requires that he be re-added to the 40-man roster, which means the Sox would need a vacancy.