Ryan Mallet to the Texans???
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Jnai said:
If they pick another QB tonight with the first pick, aren't they "trading" a second round pick for a guy who has never played a meaningful NFL snap? The differences are clear, with the age difference and the number of years under contract, but I would imagine any such trade would involve discussions for at least a 1-2 year extension with Mallett, and I imagine it would come at a reasonable price. In addition, Mallett has a few years experience with an NFL system that a college QB doesn't, is still a young man, and is in all likelihood more NFL-ready. Houston's head coach is also Mallett's former QB coach. Bottom line, if you're the Texans, and you think Mallett is a better QB than anyone else left, why wouldn't you trade a third round pick for him instead of using that pick, or another, on someone you feel is a lesser QB?
If they can get Mallett to agree to, say, a cheap 2-year extenstion, I think trading a third rounder for him would be a really solid move for them. A potential for cost-controlled high upside at the most important position in the game, at a very reasonable price. If Mallett is NFL-ready and is even an average NFL quarterback, that roster could contend for a playoff spot immediately. If Mallett ends up the QB a lot of people thought heading into the draft a few years ago, who knows how far they could go?
Maybe its just me, there seem to be a lot of questionable rookie QBs left on the board, so I dont understand why any team would give up any significant pick for Mallet when they can pick a younger, more cost controlled, equally risky QB with that pick
wutang112878 said:
Well, one size doesn't fit all. The QBs left may not have *something* a team wants, and they think Mallett (or someone else does). Mallett has at least lived the life of an NFL guy for a few seasons without getting into trouble.
Because they have worked with Mallett directly?wutang112878 said:
Look, this thread isn't about whether someone should trade for Mallett or not. Someone in the media commented on a possible trade pending between the Texans and the Patriots.
Based on that scenario we are spitballing on what needs to happen for the trade to work. Obviously the Patriots will want some sort of compensation and the Patriots will also want to maintain a competent level of talent for their backup quarterback.
This.wutang112878 said:
Keep Mallett, maybe draft another back-up (if available) and if other teams QB problems become more acute, maybe a market for Mallett develops in July, and a '15 pick can be coerced.
Jnai said:
Neither has any of these collegiate QBs, to be clear. Mallett just isn't a shiny toy anymore because he's been sitting on the figurative shelf for three years.
Oh he should be shiny alright -- as in barely out of the bubble wrap. Did not see the field in 2013. Sucked in the 2013 preseason games. And has tallied what, 8 passes in real action in his NFL career?Mystic Merlin said:
All this is good because it means Brady has been healthy. It's been nice having Mallet to back up. But this isn't Aaron Rodgers working behind Brett Favre, or anything remotely close to it. So I'm having a real hard time figuring how he can fetch more than one or two 6th or 7th rounders
dcmissle said:
How can you make a statement like that when Mallett hasn't even gotten a chance? Remember in the 2008 preseason when Cassel looked like a complete disaster and there was talk of him being cut? I just don't see how you can make a definitive statement about a QB until he gets all the practice reps and game reps week in and week out for at least a few weeks. Obviously the odds are against him becoming Rodgers - Rodgers is a top 3 or 4 QB - but there is no way to tell based on what we've seen, IMO.
Because unlike Rodgers, he wasn't regarded as a first round talent. Which is how we could get him when we did. And because last preseason -- when it would have benefitted both Mallet and the Patriots enormously to play lights out -- he fucking sucked.
Edit -- further, as time marches on, the comparisons to the one-year wonder hurt rather than help Mallet and the Pats
Edit -- further, as time marches on, the comparisons to the one-year wonder hurt rather than help Mallet and the Pats
dcmissle said:
Ummm pretty sure Mallett WAS regarded as first round talent. Here is one link
Edit: another link, Rd 1-2
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=70757&draftyear=2011&genpos=qb
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/ryan-mallett?id=2495443
Double edit: it's not like Rodgers was some can't miss prospect either. There is a reason he dropped too. His predecessor at Cal was Kyle Boller, who was a total bust. IIRC Jeff Tedford had never mentored a good NFL QB until Rodgers. I don't think the comparisons are totally off. If anything, Mallett slipped due to character concerns, not because teams didn't think he had first round talent.
Here's the thing that gets me. It seems like QB's have been valued a bit differently the last few years. Not counting Luck and RG3, I understand the perceived value with both of them. But where do you think Mallet would fall if he was in the draft class for one of the last two years?
Manual, 16th pick, R1
Smith, 39th pick, R2
Glennon, 73rd pick, R3
Barkley, 98th pick, R4
Bortles, 3rd pick
Manziel, 22nd pick
Bridgewater, 32nd pick
Manual, 16th pick, R1
Smith, 39th pick, R2
Glennon, 73rd pick, R3
Barkley, 98th pick, R4
Bortles, 3rd pick
Manziel, 22nd pick
Bridgewater, 32nd pick
dcmissle said:
I don't think this is true at all. There is a thread somewhere in the archives where first I and then Mascho (who definitely knows more than I do about the QB position) broke down every Mallett dropback on tape for one game and he actually looked pretty decent. Then he played well in the next game. He made good decisions with the ball and, while his accuracy was questionable on a few throws, he generally delivered the ball well and was victimized by a bunch of drops, an occupational hazard when you're playing with scrubs.
I've pretty consistently maintained that a Mallett trade is unlikely to happen but its not because he doesn't have legitimate talent. The problem is that once his contract enters its final years it becomes really hard to find a win-win-win between the Patriots, who want a significant asset if they're going to part with a backup QB with whom they're comfortable, another team, who obviously don't want to pay that much for a guy on a one year deal even if they like him more than anybody in the rookie pool, and Mallett himself, who would clearly like to get a chance to start somewhere but might have to agree to extension to make the whole thing work.
Yeah, Mallett wasn't great, but he certainly didn't suck. He put up a passer rating of 80 with a 3:1 TD: INT ratio playing mostly with backups.
Edit: preseason stats here http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=PASSING&conference=null&season=2013&seasonType=PRE&d-447263-s=PASSING_YARDS&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1
Edit: preseason stats here http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=PASSING&conference=null&season=2013&seasonType=PRE&d-447263-s=PASSING_YARDS&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1
dcmissle said:
Mallett was considered a first or second round talent who may drop because of "character issues," which were overstated. Nobody really thought Mallett would still be on the board when the Pats picked in the third round. As I recall, there were some scouts who thought Mallett was the best QB in that draft. Given what Newton and Kaepernick have become, that seems unlikely, but he most certainly was regarded as a top QB talent in that draft.
Also, as others have stated here, he did not suck at all in the preseason, especially given the level of talent he was playing with.
It was an article of faith for a good long time that he would be flipped for a first round pick. That is not happening, obviously. That is not happening because he has not progressed as so many of us have hoped. I don't know how you can characterize last preseason as anything other than a disaster insofar as the preferred scenario was concerned. All the teams in the NFL with acute QB needs blind -- every one of them including the Texans?
dcmissle said:
It might have been a hope, but certainly not an article of faith.
Plus, even with no trade, it was a good pick. We got a cheap backup for 4 years. Next year we will move on to the next.
Edit: well played Ed Hillel
tims4wins said:
Exactly. Somewhere I'm sure there's an idiot that was positive we were getting a first or Larry Fitzgerald or whatever for Mallet but by and large I think people knew that the stars would have to align perfectly to get that kind of value for Mallet.
Rapsheet saying Mallett getting a one year extension. This thing's gonna happen.
"Along with a potential trade for Ryan Mallett to #Texans is a one-year contract extension for Mallett. That would come along with the trade"
"Along with a potential trade for Ryan Mallett to #Texans is a one-year contract extension for Mallett. That would come along with the trade"
I'm not shitting on him, I do think it is a positive, just noting the reason he dropped was because of "character concerns" and staying out of trouble alleviates any concerns a team trading for him might have,quint said:
I was merely pointing out that sf121's initial point, and your parroting, is inherently flawed. Make of that what you will.Cellar-Door said:
soxfan121 said:
It's my understanding that he also received an award for punctuality.
I guess the "R" is for Ryan.
