Round 2: Celtics vs Cavs

Ed Hillel

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Can’t write him out, but seems unlikely we’ll see him back at 100% this series, if he plays at all. No extra rest days.
 

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I think "super small" is code for Tristan Thompson and Marcus Morris not playing
I hope it's code for an endless parade of Kornet alleyoops. Like the Bugs Bunny baseball GIF. Oh, you're gonna sit Mobley and Wade? Here, try this.

(And I don't buy Mitchell being out either, he may not be 100% but he's gonna play, dudes a gamer. Let's see where things are at tipoff, or even at halftime.)
 

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I hope it's code for an endless parade of Kornet alleyoops. Like the Bugs Bunny baseball GIF. Oh, you're gonna sit Mobley and Wade? Here, try this.

(And I don't buy Mitchell being out either, he may not be 100% but he's gonna play, dudes a gamer. Let's see where things are at tipoff, or even at halftime.)
Woj is reporting it. Take it to the bank.
 

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I hope it's code for an endless parade of Kornet alleyoops. Like the Bugs Bunny baseball GIF. Oh, you're gonna sit Mobley and Wade? Here, try this.

(And I don't buy Mitchell being out either, he may not be 100% but he's gonna play, dudes a gamer. Let's see where things are at tipoff, or even at halftime.)
He's officially out and won't be playing today. He isn't playing.
 

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I’m truly surprised. It must be bad. Like the docs telling him, “Bad shit will happen if you play on it” bad. Not only is he a gamer, but this game is the series. Wouldn’t miss it unless he had to.
 

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Why this rash of calf strains in the NBA?
Well it is probably the muscle you us the most in basketball, most of the explosive movements are putting stress on the calf. Kind of like how in soccer tons of guys get hamstring strains from sudden acceleration.

Are guys more weary of trying to play through calf strains after what happened to KD?
Could be, though there doesn't seem to be any evidence that calf-strains lead to Achilles tears at all.
 

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Well it is probably the muscle you us the most in basketball, most of the explosive movements are putting stress on the calf. Kind of like how in soccer tons of guys get hamstring strains from sudden acceleration.


Could be, though there doesn't seem to be any evidence that calf-strains lead to Achilles tears at all.
Lot of good calf strain talk around here lately, but as you talk about explosive movements and calf strains in this post, I couldn't help wondering if I'm the only person here who has had multiple embarrassing layup attempts thwarted by a calf locking up at takeoff. I suspect not.

Always looks like someone shot with an elephant gun.
 

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Lot of good calf strain talk around here lately, but as you talk about explosive movements and calf strains in this post, I couldn't help wondering if I'm the only person here who has had multiple embarrassing layup attempts thwarted by a calf locking up at takeoff. I suspect not.

Always looks like someone shot with an elephant gun.
That’s nothing, I strained my quad kicking a kickball. And I was legitimately the 5th player on my team to get injured that game. What happens when you get a bunch of middle aged men being active for the first time post covid.
 

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Well it is probably the muscle you us the most in basketball, most of the explosive movements are putting stress on the calf. Kind of like how in soccer tons of guys get hamstring strains from sudden acceleration.
No doubt, but I don't remember multiple players—high-profile players, at that—being sidelined by this injury in seasons past.
 

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No doubt, but I don't remember multiple players—high-profile players, at that—being sidelined by this injury in seasons past.
might just be timing. Lillard and KAT both had major calf injuries last year, Jokic missed time late last year with a calf injury, Luka had a calf strain in the 2022 playoffs, etc.
 

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Let's the C's don't think all they have to do is show up Wednesday nite. The Cavs have nothing to lose and can play loose.
 

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Dude, at least take five minutes to enjoy a tough playoff victory before you start being pessimistic about the next game
The game thread is where you celebrate wins, and I did so.

I'd argue that I'm more realistic than pessimistic. I suspect the C's will find a way to win Wednesday, but I wouldn't be shocked if they came out flat. Would you?
 

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The game thread is where you celebrate wins, and I did so.

I'd argue that I'm more realistic than pessimistic. I suspect the C's will find a way to win Wednesday, but I wouldn't be shocked if they came out flat. Would you?
I would, look at game 5 against Miami.

That game was annoying at times, but it has no bearing on Wednesday night.
 

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The game thread is where you celebrate wins, and I did so.

I'd argue that I'm more realistic than pessimistic. I suspect the C's will find a way to win Wednesday, but I wouldn't be shocked if they came out flat. Would you?
We can celebrate this team throughout the entire board really explore the space.

I personally put more stock in their regular season resume at home than the two honestly pretty flukey losses they’ve had in the playoffs. They will be large favorites with good reason.
 

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Let's the C's don't think all they have to do is show up Wednesday nite. The Cavs have nothing to lose and can play loose.
It is going to be a blowout. The Cavs scored 56 points in the final 2.5 quarters in a must win game at home. Mitchell will not be able to play in 2 days, and they’d be foolish to risk a bigger injury when the series is effectively over. The Cavs won’t surprise the Celtics with that star player let down shock an hour before the game again.

Celtics will make an early run and the Cavs won’t be able to respond to it more than once. Then they give up.

110-90 win is my guess.
 

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We can celebrate this team throughout the entire board really explore the space.

I personally put more stock in their regular season resume at home than the two honestly pretty flukey losses they’ve had in the playoffs. They will be large favorites with good reason.
For some irrational reason, this series worries me more than a matchup with the Knicks would. I'm confident the C's would be locked in every night out against the Knicks, knowing that maximum effort is required against a Thibs team.
 

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“Coming out flat” isn’t really an issue.

The issue would be “staying flat” deep into the third quarter.
 

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For some irrational reason, this series worries me more than a matchup with the Knicks would. I'm confident the C's would be locked in every night out against the Knicks, knowing that maximum effort is required against a Thibs team.
it still worries you? up 3-1 and with their best player injured? and second best?
 

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The game thread is where you celebrate wins, and I did so.

I'd argue that I'm more realistic than pessimistic. I suspect the C's will find a way to win Wednesday, but I wouldn't be shocked if they came out flat. Would you?
I would. Cavs shot their wad tonight and came sort of close but lost. They know they aren't winning three in a row. I think the Celts stomp them Wednesday.
 

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I also personally don’t define coming out flat by only the first few possessions in a 48 min game. Yes they were down 8-2 but then promptly righted the ship with a 19-2 run.
I wasn't referring to tonight's game. The C's were fine for much of the first half, until all the Cavs' subs started making 3s. I was thinking more about Game 2 of this series (and the Miami series).
 

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For some irrational reason, this series worries me more than a matchup with the Knicks would. I'm confident the C's would be locked in every night out against the Knicks, knowing that maximum effort is required against a Thibs team.
The Knicks have much bigger things to worry about first.
 

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We can celebrate this team throughout the entire board really explore the space.

I personally put more stock in their regular season resume at home than the two honestly pretty flukey losses they’ve had in the playoffs. They will be large favorites with good reason.
I put the most stock in my personal attendance at potential game 5 closeouts on Wednesdays resume. LFG!
 

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The game thread is where you celebrate wins, and I did so.

I'd argue that I'm more realistic than pessimistic. I suspect the C's will find a way to win Wednesday, but I wouldn't be shocked if they came out flat. Would you?
Yeah the game thread…where all of New England’s beacons of positivity congregate on game days.

Cleveland had their game to catch us off guard without Mitchell. If not for Strus and Merrill in that 1H stretch this is probably a 25-pt win tonight. It may be larger in G5.
 

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Man some of you need to find a way to get past the fear and actually enjoy this run. You spend your whole life as a fan to watch and enjoy these types of seasons. The Celtics are entering a game 5 at home favored by 2 touchdowns on their way to a very easy first two rounds. Their future opponent for the next round is dropping like flies and will have at least a 6 or 7 game series with a first game blowout win to start round 3 after that concludes. KP will be coming back in a week or two. Go take a cold plunge, fire up your popcorn and your whiskey and enjoy the blowout.
 

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I wasn't referring to tonight's game. The C's were fine for much of the first half, until all the Cavs' subs started making 3s. I was thinking more about Game 2 of this series (and the Miami series).
Got it. My bad on the misread. I think up 3-1 is a different animal than up 1-0 so I’m more optimistic they come out dialed in. But I hear you.
 

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Here's some positivity: Jrue Holiday has been freaking awesome the past two games.
 

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Good things:

1. The win
2. Tightening up the defense in the second half.
3. Jrue's all around game
4. Pritchard's iso three at the end of the third (and Joe for having the guts to call that)
5. WIth a 5 point lead and just over a minute left: Tatum ---> Brown for three

Bad things:

1. The turnoverfest and the Celtics all too frequent difficulties with playing clean focused basketball
2. The 4th quarter offensive (accent on second syllable) strategy of bleeding time off the clock (and points off the lead) instead of trying to get good looks.
3. Al Horford, who looks finished at the offensive end. 0-10 from three in games 3 and 4, mostly on wide open looks.
 

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One observation is that it feels like people are so hyper focused on margin of victory.

It feels like this team set some unrealistic expectations given its regular season performance - its going to be difficult to replicate anything like their regular season differential as they get deeper into a series as the mystery is gone about every player on the floor. Of course the Cavs are diminished without Mitchell and Allen but they have had a week to focus on doing nothing but stopping Boston's top sevenish players. Even the bench guys presumably!

Also, please help me understand why a greater than one point margin of victory matters in these games (beyond gambling). Is there any real shame in surviving and advancing?
 

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Good things:

1. The win
2. Tightening up the defense in the second half.
3. Jrue's all around game
4. Pritchard's iso three at the end of the third (and Joe for having the guts to call that)
5. WIth a 5 point lead and just over a minute left: Tatum ---> Brown for three

Bad things:

1. The turnoverfest and the Celtics all too frequent difficulties with playing clean focused basketball
2. The 4th quarter offensive (accent on second syllable) strategy of bleeding time off the clock (and points off the lead) instead of trying to get good looks.
3. Al Horford, who looks finished at the offensive end. 0-10 from three in games 3 and 4, mostly on wide open looks.
#3 will correct itself. Al is too good a shooter to keep struggling like this. Wide open Horford threes is and will always be excellent offense.
 

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One observation is that it feels like people are so hyper focused on margin of victory.

It feels like this team set some unrealistic expectations given its regular season performance - its going to be difficult to replicate anything like their regular season differential as they get deeper into a series as the mystery is gone about every player on the floor. Of course the Cavs are diminished without Mitchell and Allen but they have had a week to focus on doing nothing but stopping Boston's top sevenish players. Even the bench guys presumably!

Also, please help me understand why a greater than one point margin of victory matters in these games (beyond gambling). Is there any real shame in surviving and advancing?
regarding unrealistic expectations - nba betting odds tend to be extremely well calibrated. the line was -12 tonight. so if it’s reasonable to trust the odds, you’d expect a double digit victory over half the time. just sayin