Round 1 - Florida

joe dokes

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 18, 2005
28,663
Ullmark?
Performance or injury?

EDIT; Sick, I see.

So Monty really really loves him some Frobot enough that Clifton would go out?
 

Haunted

The Man in the Box
SoSH Member
Aug 23, 2006
5,957
I got tickets to game 5 - it will be amazing if Bergeron comes back for a potential clinching game... hope hope
 

wiffleballhero

Member
SoSH Member
Mar 28, 2009
4,333
In the simulacrum
I don't see why Forbort would play over Clifton, but whatever. I like the creative lines but I worry that the third line is going to struggle a bit. If Krejci has a bounce back game, maybe this is a compelling overall mix. I'll take it.
 

jk333

Member
SoSH Member
Feb 26, 2009
4,243
Boston
I don't see why Forbort would play over Clifton, but whatever. I like the creative lines but I worry that the third line is going to struggle a bit. If Krejci has a bounce back game, maybe this is a compelling overall mix. I'll take it.
If you’re trying to minimize turnovers, Clifton can sometimes make some sloppy or ill advised plays/decisions. He does bring a lot to the lineup too, so I’m mostly with you.
 

reggiecleveland

sublime
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Mar 5, 2004
27,695
Saskatoon Canada
Not sure why cbc is so anti Bruin other than their success VS Canadian teams, but their coverage tonight post game, between periods was like a funeral. They were giddy when Fla was up in game 2.
 

TSC

SoSH's Doug Neidermeyer
SoSH Member
Oct 25, 2007
12,038
Between here and everywhere.
I wonder if last night was the last we see of Lyon in the series.

Dude is a 30 year old backup for a reason, seems like the Bruins finally have enough tape to realize his glove is massive liability, and will exploit that. Bobrovski isn’t much better, but losing a series with a 10 million dollar goalie in net is easier justified than with him sitting on the bench.
 

Haunted

The Man in the Box
SoSH Member
Aug 23, 2006
5,957
I would be surprised if we saw Lyon again. Bob was rusty at first and gave up a goal pretty early but once he settled in he was good.
 

mostman

Member
SoSH Member
Jun 3, 2003
17,696
The quick pull on Lyon struck me as a bit odd. It wasn’t like he was a sieve back there. But I assume the Florida coaching staff knows his weaknesses, and once they realized the Bruins shared that knowledge, they moved quick.
 

durandal1707

Member
SoSH Member
Apr 18, 2007
5,644
Honestly a less than 100% Krejci should probably rest up for this series. His lack of speed was an issue in the first two games.

Lines from last night (note: there was a lot of shuffling, especially with Hall, because there's about 11 minutes and two goals for 5v5 unaccounted for here):
63836

Bertuzzi-Zacha-Pastrnak is exactly what it's always been: a high-risk, high-reward line. I'm a bit nervous about it, but I think the Bruins can lean on the difference of goaltending to get the better of the matchups here. Coyle did great as the top line center. The bottom 6 look bad but they did their job IMO: eat some tough matchups and suppress opportunities overall (0.24 xGA in ~12 minutes against this Panthers squad is good).
 

lars10

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 31, 2007
10,594
The quick pull on Lyon struck me as a bit odd. It wasn’t like he was a sieve back there. But I assume the Florida coaching staff knows his weaknesses, and once they realized the Bruins shared that knowledge, they moved quick.
Seemed more like it was 3-0 and they wanted to give their other goalie some PT in a game that was already pretty much out of reach rather than starting him cold in a new game.
 

catomatic

thinks gen turgidson is super mean!!!
SoSH Member
Jul 16, 2005
3,105
Park Slope, Brooklyn
Seemed more like it was 3-0 and they wanted to give their other goalie some PT in a game that was already pretty much out of reach rather than starting him cold in a new game.
It seemed to me that everyone that matters, on both teams, has seen enough of his glove work to know how to proceed. I’m thinking Bobrovsky is between the pipes tomorrow afternoon.
 

lars10

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 31, 2007
10,594
It seemed to me that everyone that matters, on both teams, has seen enough of his glove work to know how to proceed. I’m thinking Bobrovsky is between the pipes tomorrow afternoon.
I think he is too.. which is why they got him in late.. but it could also be like you said as well.. that his glove hand has been exposed and it's time for a switch.

I don't remember the B's getting as many wide open breaks in game 2 as they did in game 3 or even really wide open shots where they could really pick their spots... feels like that's was almost more of Florida's issue than the keeper. But I guess he also didn't make a ton of big saves either.
 

catomatic

thinks gen turgidson is super mean!!!
SoSH Member
Jul 16, 2005
3,105
Park Slope, Brooklyn
I think he is too.. which is why they got him in late.. but it could also be like you said as well.. that his glove hand has been exposed and it's time for a switch.

I don't remember the B's getting as many wide open breaks in game 2 as they did in game 3 or even really wide open shots where they could really pick their spots... feels like that's was almost more of Florida's issue than the keeper. But I guess he also didn't make a ton of big saves either.
Lyon is a bit of a weird goalie to get a handle on though, isn’t he? He’ll make a few ten bell athletic stops, then let in 2 45’-55’ wristers to the glove side per game. It took a while for the book on his glove to be confirmed but it sure seems like a reliable liability now.

So yeah, I think we’ve been in agreement without realizing it.

It’s also possible the zone breakout adjustments the Bruins have made are leading to more speed through the neutral zone and numbers as they enter the attacking zone. The stretch passes (Taylor and Pasta each potted one off of one) have to have caught Maurice’s attention, too. Those are men’s league home run passes and I love seeing them work at this level. Find a seam, thread it with pace and sauce, then finish. They addle the defending team, too.
 

catomatic

thinks gen turgidson is super mean!!!
SoSH Member
Jul 16, 2005
3,105
Park Slope, Brooklyn
Both of those stretch passes that lead to goals were made by Orlov.
I thought that was the case but wasn’t positive. Hall’s shot had no business finding twine. Pasta’s was closer in, (as, for that matter, was Brad’s GWG in G1). I’m betting Alex’s pumpkin coach has finally pulled up to the curb.
 

The Mort Report

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 5, 2007
5,329
Winter Hill
It’s really weird to me to see a NHL goalie have a weak glove. Lyon is extremely sound in his positioning and movement, but seems to lack the hand eye coordination that a goalie needs. Probably why he’s been a journeyman who had a hot few weeks and is suddenly exposed
 

wiffleballhero

Member
SoSH Member
Mar 28, 2009
4,333
In the simulacrum
I'd play Swayman if they even think some extra rest for Ullmark would be in order. Sway got his feet wet tonight in a bit of moment and it would be good for him to not get cold, and damn, do not let Ullmark end up limping through anything.
 
Last edited:

savage362

Member
SoSH Member
Apr 16, 2003
1,381
Vermont
I thought he just looked completely gassed. That was quite a flurry at the end of a bunch of zone time.
Absolutely a possibility. My guess was between that or possibly something with his groin but since there's been no real evidence or further injury post-game, I am leaning more towards being gassed now.
 

durandal1707

Member
SoSH Member
Apr 18, 2007
5,644
Think we have a winner.

63879

Overall 5v5 dominance today by the entire team (60.8% xGF). They've been getting better as the series goes on, which is of course a great sign. Close this out on Wednesday.
 

Eddie Jurak

canderson-lite
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Dec 12, 2002
42,157
Melrose, MA
Well, this was a pair of statement games by the Bruins, especially with the people who are out of the lineup. If they were looking beyond Florida before, they certainly aren't now.
 

wiffleballhero

Member
SoSH Member
Mar 28, 2009
4,333
In the simulacrum
This is starting to feel like a series best considered in the rear view mirror. Hopefully the Bruins can get an early lead and Florida gets somewhat naturally deflated by it all. Hopefully the refs pop Tkachuck and Florida proceeds to feel screwed by the refs as the game slips away.

What I don't want at this point -- however cathartic it might be -- is for the Bruins to engage this guy and get Florida all riled in his defense. Let McAvoy hammer him a couple more times with some good clean hits, score some goals, move to the next round.
 

Garshaparra

lurker
Feb 27, 2008
414
McCarver's Mushy Mouth
For those trying to sort out why the B's ended up short-handed post-melee, here's the breakdown:

16:49 Derek Forbort Roughing against Matthew Tkachuk served by Taylor Hall
16:49 Derek Forbort Fighting against Brandon Montour
16:49 Linus Ullmark Misconduct served by David Pastrnak
16:49 Jake DeBrusk Misconduct

16:49 Brandon Montour Fighting against Derek Forbort
16:49 Sam Bennett Misconduct
16:49 Matthew Tkachuk Misconduct

So did the Bruins end up with 4 "in the box" (Forbort, DeBrusk, Hall and Pasta), with DeBrusk and Ullmark sent off, and FLA had 3 "in the box" (Montour, Bennett and Tkachuk), with Bennett and Tkachuk sent off. The double penalties for Forbort seems a little silly, but no harm, no foul, and lead to the hilarious empty netter after that.
 

tims4wins

PN23's replacement
SoSH Member
Jul 15, 2005
34,305
Hingham, MA
For those trying to sort out why the B's ended up short-handed post-melee, here's the breakdown:

16:49 Derek Forbort Roughing against Matthew Tkachuk served by Taylor Hall
16:49 Derek Forbort Fighting against Brandon Montour
16:49 Linus Ullmark Misconduct served by David Pastrnak
16:49 Jake DeBrusk Misconduct

16:49 Brandon Montour Fighting against Derek Forbort
16:49 Sam Bennett Misconduct
16:49 Matthew Tkachuk Misconduct

So did the Bruins end up with 4 "in the box" (Forbort, DeBrusk, Hall and Pasta), with DeBrusk and Ullmark sent off, and FLA had 3 "in the box" (Montour, Bennett and Tkachuk), with Bennett and Tkachuk sent off. The double penalties for Forbort seems a little silly, but no harm, no foul, and lead to the hilarious empty netter after that.
Thank you for this. If I remember correctly, Montour came flying into the play, so he probably should have been assessed a first penalty for roughing, and then second for fighting.
 

cshea

Member
SoSH Member
Nov 15, 2006
34,673
306, row 14
For those trying to sort out why the B's ended up short-handed post-melee, here's the breakdown:

16:49 Derek Forbort Roughing against Matthew Tkachuk served by Taylor Hall
16:49 Derek Forbort Fighting against Brandon Montour
16:49 Linus Ullmark Misconduct served by David Pastrnak
16:49 Jake DeBrusk Misconduct

16:49 Brandon Montour Fighting against Derek Forbort
16:49 Sam Bennett Misconduct
16:49 Matthew Tkachuk Misconduct

So did the Bruins end up with 4 "in the box" (Forbort, DeBrusk, Hall and Pasta), with DeBrusk and Ullmark sent off, and FLA had 3 "in the box" (Montour, Bennett and Tkachuk), with Bennett and Tkachuk sent off. The double penalties for Forbort seems a little silly, but no harm, no foul, and lead to the hilarious empty netter after that.
I believe the Bruins only really needed to put Hall in the box to serve Forbort's extra 2 (which was the man power difference). Everyone else could've gone to the dressing room. The Ullmark situation was unique. As with all goalie penalties, the Bruins needed a skater to serve for him. I'm not entirely sure why they made Pasta sit in the box, but my guess is because the Bruins decided to pull Ullmark, the officials wanted whoever was serving his 10 minutes to be in the box to avoid confusion in the event Florida tied it and the Bruins put Ullmark back in prior to the 10 minutes expiring.

I thought the penalites were about right, though I would've matched up the Forbort roughing minor with something for Tkachuk since he instigated the whole thing and also tried to re-engage Ullmark after the offical had him wrapped up. After the inital check by Tkachuk, Ullmark, Forbort and Carlo basically engaged Tkachuk, then Montour and Bennett came flying in to even everything up. I don't recall DeBrusk doing a ton, but Lauko was in there quick and looked to be more active. Maybe the officials got 74 and 94 mixed up.
 

joe dokes

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 18, 2005
28,663
Pavel Zacha for Erik Haula.

Give Sweeney the Executive of the Year for that trade alone:

View: https://twitter.com/shawnferris98/status/1649599642479280128?s=20
I was really hoping that Zachas
For those trying to sort out why the B's ended up short-handed post-melee, here's the breakdown:

16:49 Derek Forbort Roughing against Matthew Tkachuk served by Taylor Hall
16:49 Derek Forbort Fighting against Brandon Montour
16:49 Linus Ullmark Misconduct served by David Pastrnak
16:49 Jake DeBrusk Misconduct

16:49 Brandon Montour Fighting against Derek Forbort
16:49 Sam Bennett Misconduct
16:49 Matthew Tkachuk Misconduct

So did the Bruins end up with 4 "in the box" (Forbort, DeBrusk, Hall and Pasta), with DeBrusk and Ullmark sent off, and FLA had 3 "in the box" (Montour, Bennett and Tkachuk), with Bennett and Tkachuk sent off. The double penalties for Forbort seems a little silly, but no harm, no foul, and lead to the hilarious empty netter after that.
Isnt as simple as Forbort got the only 2 minute, non-matching penalty.
 

teds_head

Well-Known Member
Silver Supporter
Aug 1, 2006
214
For this series, I was really expecting Barkov to be more impactful than he has been (in relation to Tkachuk and Bennett who have been impactful - good or bad).
I'm not complaining of course, but for someone who is generally regarded by his peers as among both most complete and most underrated, he's been very quiet.
Gotta wonder if he's nursing an undisclosed injury.

https://www.nhlpa.com/player-poll/2022-23