If I'm Komen, I would end the affiliation today. There is no way you claim to care about women with breast cancer, and allow Rice on the field in two weeks.
Roger G's Wheel of Justice
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But situations like Josh Gordon however do have merit. You're essentially telling people that what Orlando Scandrick, Wes Welker and Josh Gordon (for pot...not the DUI or the other two positive tests) did was worse than what Ray Rice did. What does that say to kids playing the game in College Ball. You pull rookies into the symposium and tell them about the code of conduct to abide by while representing the shield. When doing that you're essentially telling them indirectly that beating the shit out of your wife is more acceptable than using recreational drugs. Rice should have been gone for the year after seeing that video. Goodell should also be as well. Awful.soxfan121 said:
As far as I know the NFL has the strictest pot testing policy in all of sports and I can't understand why. The drug is going to be legalized everywhere in the next few years. Scandrick should be free to play this week as should Welker. Gordon should have to sit out a little longer for his DUI. But this is an absolute joke.
I'd also speculate that Goodell finally saw the tape, and that's what precipitated the new rules.
It is not conceivable that Goodell didn't see the tape before acting. My guess is that Goodell learned the tape was coming out and this caused him to act.
The NFL looks horrible no matter the sequence of events.
The NFL looks horrible no matter the sequence of events.
That is speculation built on granite.Luis Taint said:
We have already discussed the rush job that was the new policy, and how everyone would likely have been better served by taking more time with it.
So now we probably know that somebody told Roger -- we don't have control over the video; copies survive and one of them is coming out.
The big mystery remains -- why only 2 games?
Average Reds said:
The Ginger Hammer is the master of The Last Thing I Saw.
You could hit a QB softer than Rice hit her and yet get a longer suspension. The whole system's garbage.
An ESPN reportee(missed the name) just tweeted that the NFL had all the same access as the police. So Goodell had to have it, if so then maybe he does get shitcanned.
twibnotes said:
Come on - the league allowed the Cleveland Browns to blackball Colt McCoy after his family called them out for allowing him to play with an obvious concussion. The penalty for the Browns coach and organization was exactly nothing for this.
The league's concern about concussions (or anything, for that matter) extends only as far as their potential liability.
You are not the first person in this thread to say that, but the TMZ article specifically states an employee at the hotel said Roger Goddell saw that video.Average Reds said:
The NFL is looking laughably bad here. That was a violent assault. Rice could have tried to push her away but, instead, went into Tyson mode. That is a brutal video to watch.
All I know is the Patriots would have cut a player immediately if that player did what Ray Rice did. Ravens stand behind the player which is despicable.
Goodall could give any suspension length he wants. He could have simply said it was conduct detrimental to the league and that would have given him power to give any suspension he wanted to. Obviously, he was happy with a 2 game suspension. Which says a lot about him. That video is truly disturbing. Rice could have killed her.jose melendez said:
The NFL is not alone. Protectors of the Shield such as Peter King pimped the mystery of the tape as a potential mitigating circumstance.johnmd20 said:
Then we got from Stephen A something like this:
"I'm condoning violence against women in no way, shape or form -- but ladies, you gotta know when to back off your man."
What does he say now -- "that was a right left hook"?
lostjumper said:
Then it's disgusting. If what he could do was actually limited by the CBA, I can accept something lower. The Commissioner isn't law enforcement, and can only use the powers given to him. However, if he had the power, which it seems he did, nothing less than a full season was adequate.
jose melendez said:
If Goodell knew that video was going to come out some day then throw the CBA out the window. He could have suspended him for life and let the NFLPA argue against that video on grounds of the CBA.
I'm actually kind of surprised it didn't go down that way. Goodell probably could have extracted something from the union by threatening to go outside of the CBA on the penalty and letting the NFLPA get the bad PR if they wanted to fight it.
Goodell has been thrilled so far in his tenure to be judge, jury, and executioner. Apparently he forgot that in this situation, all the blame when something goes wrong can only be assigned to him.jose melendez said:
I can't get over how disturbing that video is to me. Its how cold blooded Rice is about the whole thing. When she hit the railing and the the floor she could have easily been dead. And he couldn't have cared less. All he cared about was trying to get her body out of the elevator.
And he barely cared about that. I was surprised the elevator doors didn't close on her legs. That looked like the act of a sociopath.lostjumper said:
The NJ prosecutors dropped the ball too.
I just don't understand why you wouldn't come down heavier on him. Who the hell is going to defend that? I guess they just hoped they could slap him on the wrist and it would blow over, but when the video exists in 2014 you have to think it getting leaked was a good possibility.
Imagine if the Milledgeville GA police hadn't covered up the Roethlisberger evidence...or the police "investigating" Jameis Winston...etc, etc.
I just don't understand why you wouldn't come down heavier on him. Who the hell is going to defend that? I guess they just hoped they could slap him on the wrist and it would blow over, but when the video exists in 2014 you have to think it getting leaked was a good possibility.
Imagine if the Milledgeville GA police hadn't covered up the Roethlisberger evidence...or the police "investigating" Jameis Winston...etc, etc.
If that were the case, the league would have used that as a defense. The league didn't come out and say, "This was a terrible thing and believe a player that commits domestic violence should be suspended for a significant portion of time. However, the agrees upon CBA with the union limits any potential suspension to two games. As this was a terrible act, we acted to the fullest extent allowed." Rather, the VP of PR or whatever he was came on Mike and Mike two days later and basically said, hey 2 games is a big deal and like houndreds if thousands of dollars to Ray. Couple that with Harbaugh and the Ravens near "boys will be boys" support and the league having Rice in the room when they interviewed the wife and this whole thing has been egregiously botched.jose melendez said:
Ironically, you may be sketching one of the few scenarios for a promising attack on NFL discipline -- by Rice. It is almost certain that Goodell saw this video. But if he didn't, it's not on Rice, it's on him.riboflav said:
You cannot mete out discipline and then bump it based on PR considerations when the player did not suppress evidence which presents the PR nightmare. The NFLPA would go nuts in these circumstances, as it should.
This is the NFL's problem, and the Ravens' problem.
The assault is obviously brutal to watch, but what really shocked me was his reaction. It was fucking chilling. And before anyone claims you can't tell a reaction based on a soundless elevator video; he doesn't check to see if she is ok. He doesn't bend down. He doesn't flinch.
If Rice does play this season, I hope someone absolutely de-cleats him after a whistle.
I'd love to see the NFL try to punish that player for the hit.
I'd love to see the NFL try to punish that player for the hit.
One thing I am nearly certain about -- 31 NFL owners probably did not see this tape. They rely on Goodell for this and just don't get involved unless and until it's a massive problem for the League.
So they have to be thinking, Roger WTF were you thinking? We paid you $44 million in salary last year to protect our investments and mind the store.
So they have to be thinking, Roger WTF were you thinking? We paid you $44 million in salary last year to protect our investments and mind the store.
I had not seen that tweet from the Ravens before. A fucking NFL team is playing into every trap that continues to punish women. Reading that just makes me fucking cry. She deeply regrets her role.
Jesus that was tough to watch. 2 games. 2 measly games.NortheasternPJ said:
If Goodell will not change the length of punishment, perhaps the public -- Ravens fan base -- will force the Baltimore FO to voluntarily suspend Rice. I am not optimistic about it however.
Drocca said:
That tweet came from a press conference involving management, Ray, and Jenay, where I'm sure she was instructed to say just that. There are other tweets almost as bad, along the lines of "fans cheer on Ray Rice as he overcomes his tribulations," and stuff along those lines. It's really reprehensible. The whole organization should be punished severely.
Ed Hillel said:
They already signed Flacco to a ridiculous extension which will cripple them for years to come, so they're getting there.
That video is absolutely horrific. I can't believe the Ravens could back their player in such a Baghdad Bob-like fashion after that incident.
How on Earth does the NFL conduct an "investigation" without seeing the full tape?
What a tragic joke.
But next month... PINK SHOES! The NFL CARES about you, women!
What a tragic joke.
But next month... PINK SHOES! The NFL CARES about you, women!
Kenny F'ing Powers said:
I think you misread my post. I stated that it is not conceivable to think that he did not see it. (Too many negatives, I guess.)
twibnotes said:
I understood what you were getting at but worded my reply rather artlessly. Apologies.
Stitch01 said:
Unless you're talking about the Bills, that's just false. But yeah, I understand what you are getting at.
dcmissle said:
Does it really surprise anyone that Goodell made a snap decision regarding Rice without a full investigation or seeing the tape? The guy is a fucking clown, nothing surprises me less. He could fuck up a 2 car parade.
DrewDawg said:
Looks like a convenient cover story. Of course, if someone comes out and proves it's false the NFL and the Ravens have gone beyond not taking the abuse seriously enough to actively shielding (heh!) a player.