RIP Roy Halladay

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Yeah this sucks, Halladay was just sick as a competitor, even though I saw him mostly pitch against us, it was hard to really root against him, his stuff was filthy and he was very tough. I was surprised we ever scored runs off of him. That he was sent down, rebuilt his delivery and the result was one of the best pitchers in the league was a terrific story, too.
 

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Keep in mind that just before he exploded on the scene, he was sent all the way down to Single A after posting an ERA over 10, a rare feat in baseball history. It was in Dunedin that he retooled his delivery and discovered the cutter that made him a dominant pitcher for nearly a decade.
Yep - due to his journey down and back, he ended up pitching parts of four seasons here in Syracuse for the Triple-A Chiefs, which is amazing considering the career he went on to have.
 

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Halladay was always on my HoF meter. I think he'd have gotten in regardless.
2x Cy Young, 8x All-Star, threw a perfect game and a post season no hitter. Counting stats aren’t amazing, but he had a pretty long stretch as a top pitcher.

Only 3 eligible multiple time Cy Young award winners that aren’t in the hall: Denny McClain, Brett Saberhagen, and Roger Clemens. Lincecum will likely be the fourth. Doc clearly a step above all those mentioned except Clemens (who is obviously not in the hall for other reasons).

I think he would have gotten in too.
 

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Horrific news. RIP. He always seemed like just a great and had an insanely great career.

RIP Roy. Terrible news. These tiny planes are really death traps.
If piloted correctly they are fine, but many lack proper skills and try to fly beyond their training.
 

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Definitely a HOFer in my book. Two-time Cy, and could have easily been named two more. Led the league in pitcher WAR 4 times, the first and last nine years apart.
 

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He doesn't have the career totals, but judging peak by WAR7, the only post-19th century pitcher with a higher peak that isn't in the hall is Clemens, and he's right around median peak for an HOF starter.

Not only did he win 2 Cy Youngs, but he was also top-5 in 5 other seasons. He was a legitimately dominant pitcher.
 

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He was just nails and awesome to watch in his prime. It also felt like he pitched 20 complete games a year. Going for my pilots license now, so much can happen when you get in the air. RIP Roy
 

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Reading his wikipedia page, his father was a pilot. What happened between his age 33 and 34 seasons for him to fall off so quickly? Just shoulder issues? He went from second in Cy Young voting to pedestrian to awful to out of baseball at 35. Odd that he could very well still be pitching otherwise.
 

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Awful news. I really enjoyed watching him pitch and Doc always seemed like a genuinely good person.
 

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Agreed. Not too sure why this is tolerated. It's not a good look for anyone.
I agree with you and ITP.

But we are a board that seems to take other teams deaths (Munson, Lidle and most recently Adenhart) to extreme meme lengths. Not sure why, but that’s what has happened here.
 

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Seems out of place with other death threads on this board, particularly when not in P&G. But then again people think things in P&G don't reflect on their personalities so what do I know? I've always thought this was a message board that was above all of this. Disappointing for sure. Especially when we have a 40 year old person that seemed to be a very good example of a role mode athlete tragically die a month after receiving a new toy that him and his wife seemed to argue over. It's horrible.
 

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I said it was “all good”? Maybe you can take your concerns up with the poster who made the post instead of getting passive aggressive with me.
Seems you were impressed by his dark humor and expressing so publicly. That's as "all good" of a message as you can send. Ironic that you'd suddenly be sensitive to someone calling you out for it.
 

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T&P for his family.

This is huge news in the Philly area. All over all of the local TV news. He was one of the most beloved players in Phillies history.
 

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Seems you were impressed by his dark humor and expressing so publicly. That's as "all good" of a message as you can send. Ironic that you'd suddenly be sensitive to someone calling you out for it.
You read what you wanted to read from my post. Roll up the jump to conclusions mat. I don’t think it’s appropriate or funny.
 

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Seems out of place with other death threads on this board, particularly when not in P&G. But then again people think things in P&G don't reflect on their personalities so what do I know? I've always thought this was a message board that was above all of this. Disappointing for sure. Especially when we have a 40 year old person that seemed to be a very good example of a role mode athlete tragically die a month after receiving a new toy that him and his wife seemed to argue over. It's horrible.
In the end, we all process hard truths in different ways. It's okay to be sad and solemn at a tragic loss, yet finding humor in almost all things is one of the gifts of life. Nothing will change the facts. I neither defend nor criticize the comments above.
It's a shame about Roy. He was such a great pitcher, and likely more.
 

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T&P for his family.

This is huge news in the Philly area. All over all of the local TV news. He was one of the most beloved players in Phillies history.
As a Philly native who has followed the team for 50 years, the bolded is complete nonsense.

Great pitcher, nice man, deeply appreciated in Philly for what he accomplished in the four seasons (out of 16) he was there. Anything beyond that is a massive overstatement.
 

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This is awful.

I was lucky enough to see Halladay pitch against Pedro at Fenway. I remember watching both warm up in the bullpens and it was like watching two guys that could do whatever they wanted to do with the ball working right next to each other. Doc’s curveball, like Pedro’s, was just insane to see in person. The “break” seemed to defy physics.

Really bummed about this, he was literally one of my three favorite pitchers to watch for years and I remember always hoping the Sox would land him.

RIP Doc
 

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Keep in mind that just before he exploded on the scene, he was sent all the way down to Single A after posting an ERA over 10, a rare feat in baseball history. It was in Dunedin that he retooled his delivery and discovered the cutter that made him a dominant pitcher for nearly a decade.
I was at his first game back after that minor league banishment. He came in to relieve Estaban Loaiza who did not get out of the first inning (Manny hit one to the 500 level of SkyDome). He wasn't a whole lot better than Loaiza in that game, but slid back into the rotation after that and might've been the best pitcher not named Pedro in the AL the rest of that season. He really was a terrific pitcher and 40 is way too damn young. This sucks.
 

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They're confused. It was SpacemanLee2000 that had the avatar mixup. Because he was a nitwit. And my first banning ever.
I think I was rocking the Cesc Fabregas vs. Man U GIF at the time. I miss that avatar.

My first thought when Halladay passed away was sadness, he was a good guy and a fantastic pitcher. A baseball purist's dream considering the innings he racked up and the times he went 9 (and even 10 once in 2003). He threw 67 complete games for his career. I don't know who the Number One Horse is after he retired, but Justin Verlander's got a good case, and Verlander has 23. Halladay's 266 IP in 2003 is going to stand for decades, unless the deadball era comes back, as the heaviest workload by a pitcher this century.

I assume this makes his induction into Cooperstown a formality. I know some people had a quibble with the relatively low win total of 203, but that's surely bygones now.
 

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I'm really, really sad to hear this. He was the epitome of what I loved about pitching. He was smart as hell about the way he approached the game, he worked fast, went deep into games... and while he obviously had extreme physical gifts to be as successful as he was, he wasn't like a freak show like Pedro in that way. He felt a little more down to earth, if that makes any sense? I don't know. I always kind of hoped the Sox would get their hands on him.

I remember watching his no-hitter in a random bar; was out with my wife meeting a few friends, and I was 100 percent distracted by what was going on. Once it became clear history was in the making, my wife forgave my indulgence.

Pretty horrible stuff right here.
 

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NTSB ruled that first accident was due to pilot error - not on any defect within the plane. Still...not a good look.

In May, Jon Karkow, Icon's chief test pilot who was responsible for the plane's design, died in a crash in California. Cagri Sever, a new employee who was in the passenger's seat, also was killed.
The National Transportation Safety Board concluded that the probable cause of that accident was pilot error. The plane had been flying at Lake Berryessa, a reservoir with coves, canyons and steep rising terrain.

"It is likely that the pilot mistakenly thought the canyon that he entered was a different canyon that led to the larger, open portion of the lake," according to the NTSB's aviation accident report.
Instead, there was no exit from that canyon. "The airplane would have not been able to climb out of the rising terrain that surrounded the area, which led to his failure to maintain clearance from terrain," according to the NTSB report.
In a May statement, Shane Sullivan, Icon's director of flight, said, "We're unsure why the plane flew into such a narrow canyon that had no outlet."