RFP Injured Reserve

Replace injured payers with rentals before the season?


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Phragle

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Looking ahead to the offseason, it seems meaningless to include players IR players that didn't even play a snap on our rosters. I think we should hide those guys from the process and pick up one year rentals to replace them before the season.
 
There are a bunch of important players already out for the season
 
Darnell Dockett
Sean Weatherspoon
Sean Lee
David Wilson
Kendall Hunter
Isaiah Pead
Colt Lyerla
BJ Raji
Vick Ballard
Blaine Gabbert
Sam Bradford
 

Kenny F'ing Powers

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IR makes some sense, but not anymore than being able to IR people throughout the season and bringing in replacements mid season.

Need to think about it more.
 

Super Nomario

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One thing to keep in mind: if this passes, I'm going to get to replace Don Barclay and Jesse Williams (arguably my two worst players) with better options. It's not just the stars that are going to get IR'd.
 
Beyond that, I think a) replacement players have to be gone after the season and can't be retained, and b) there ought to be some sort of positional requirement, (maybe just offense / defense), so I can't shore another area by putting someone on IR.
 

ElcaballitoMVP

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Ok, some more thoughts on this, which I'm in favor of.
 
1. Only preseason IR. No in-season IR moves allowed. The teams with guys on IR and the teams who don't want to be as active in season should both be happy with this. 
 
2. I would say position for position, however I'm willing to concede O for O or D for D with one caveat: If a K or P is put on IR, they must pickup a replacement so they field a full starting squad.
 
3. Any player added would be put back into the draft pool at the end of the year. Replacement players will not be eligible to be kept. 
 
4. All IR activity will take place after the supplemental draft and before the season (if we can fit it in, I'm fine if it goes into week 1 where anyone hurt and placed on IR in week 1 is not eligible). 
 

JerBear

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The only this I would add is maybe a limit to the number of players.  You shouldn't get "rewarded" for picking shitty players that got IR'd or retired.
 
I'd probably say 3.
 

Kenny F'ing Powers

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ElcaballitoMVP said:
Ok, some more thoughts on this, which I'm in favor of.
 
1. Only preseason IR. No in-season IR moves allowed. The teams with guys on IR and the teams who don't want to be as active in season should both be happy with this. 
 
 
So, this is pretty much my problem with the pre-season IR stuff.
 
Why is it fair for someone with pre-season injuries to be able to stash players on IR and draft new players, but if someone has a player get injured in week 1, they're stuck with that player?
 
I guess my question is, why is a player getting hurt in the preseason any different then a player getting hurt in week 4? If a team goes to the playoffs and we're voting on a roster, the person who had a player injured in week 4 is penalized.
 
It just seems random that we'd decide "all injuries cripple a team, unless they happen early enough in the season, then you get a redo".
 
I'd personally prefer that anyone with a player that suffers a season ending injury can IR that player and pick up someone at that specific position. Either that, or leave the rules how they are. There's no reason that injuries in the preseason should be weighed differently then injuries through the rest of the season. And, fwiw, we have Glenn Dorsey on our team who just tore his bicep.
 

Kenny F'ing Powers

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My vote: I voted no, but am willing to concede my vote if:
 
  • players who we send to IR have to be sent there in real life
  • IR can be used season long, but players can only be added at the position of injury (can't pick up a running back if your linebacker is hurt).
 

SMU_Sox

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Kenny F'ing Powers said:
 
My vote: I voted no, but am willing to concede my vote if:
 
  • players who we send to IR have to be sent there in real life
  • IR can be used season long, but players can only be added at the position of injury (can't pick up a running back if your linebacker is hurt).
 
 
If you look at Phragle's initial poll he wasn't exactly very specific with his proposal. I voted yes, assuming we do that as well. I don't want the wild west out here with waivers. And as long as we also drop the guy we added at the end of the year I'm ok with it (along with KFP's proposal).
 
Edit: not calling you out or anything, Phragle. I believe you left it open ended on purpose to, you know, do that whole stimulate discussion thing.
 

SMU_Sox

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As for pre-season vs. during the season. You're going to have squads who will, if we allow season-IR moves, get lucky and lose a shitty guy and replace him with someone decent. But I doubt that will normally be the case. For the most part we'll be losing starter or reserve caliber players and replacing them with backups/reserve caliber players. But I'd rather pick a player and gamble I picked a good one then just accept I had some craptastic backup. Plus, and this is important to me, NFL teams can use the IR during the year. I like to keep it tied to reality.
 

Phragle

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DanoooME said:
What about retired players?  Do I get to replace Sidney Rice?
 
That seems perfectly reasonable to me.
 
Kenny F'ing Powers said:
players who we send to IR have to be sent there in real life
 
I didn't mention it but that because I thought that was understood. We can't be IRing players with shin splints. 
 
Kenny F'ing Powers said:
IR can be used season long, but players can only be added at the position of injury (can't pick up a running back if your linebacker is hurt).
 
I'm not going to argue for that. It wouldn't make things simpler right now. What I like about the idea I proposed is that we'll all start with an even number of healthy players, and there won't be any need/reason to include players like Sean Lee on the roster when we compare teams this offseason.
 
If we're adding and dropping people all the time it complicate things. "Oh this guy was really good for my team but he only played five games. Then the guy I replaced him with was really good too, but half of his good games were before I got him." Then you're listing all these players and when they played and when the didn't, and the rosters get bigger and harder to compare.
 
SMU_Sox said:
Edit: not calling you out or anything, Phragle. I believe you left it open ended on purpose to, you know, do that whole stimulate discussion thing.
 
I'm mostly just lazy, but we can go with that. I was "stimulating discussion" by leaving it open ended.
 
 
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Alright it seems like most everyone is on board, but we need some sort of official answer before we start picking in the supplemental draft.
 

SMU_Sox

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At the end of the day we can't have high quorums here as we have to face that some owners go AWOL for a long period of time. If 12 votes does it... 12 does it. Maybe that's our new minimum?
 

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SMU_Sox said:
At the end of the day we can't have high quorums here as we have to face that some owners go AWOL for a long period of time. If 12 votes does it... 12 does it. Maybe that's our new minimum?
 
Poll has been open for 48 hours (almost exactly). And we just had an active forum member (red October) admit he hasn't been following this forum but will, now that he has to pick. 
 
I think we leave it open until the end of the first round or Sunday, whichever comes first. Because any mechanics of this will take place after the draft is over...right?
 

Super Nomario

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SMU_Sox said:
At the end of the day we can't have high quorums here as we have to face that some owners go AWOL for a long period of time. If 12 votes does it... 12 does it. Maybe that's our new minimum?
I think it should be 16 at least.
 

SMU_Sox

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OK. 
 
As for group teams and voting... I suppose only KFP should vote but we both discuss the issue beforehand. While that isn't the most convenient for us it is probably more convenient for the rest of the league. 
 
The alternative solution is for me to post how I would vote in the thread but not actually vote until KFP weighs in. Ultimately I'm the minority owner of our team so I defer to him. As to not dilute our team's voting power if he and I are in disagreement his opinion carries full weight and is the full vote - I defer to him. I'm not a potted plant though. 
 

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What say the comp committee? A few extra "rounds" (because some people don't need to replace more than one guy if any) for guys on IR , who are on IR prior to game one with no in season transactions? Excluding guys who are IR eligible to return, those guys cannot be replaced for rentals.
 

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Eck'sSneakyCheese said:
What say the comp committee? A few extra "rounds" (because some people don't need to replace more than one guy if any) for guys on IR , who are on IR prior to game one with no in season transactions? Excluding guys who are IR eligible to return, those guys cannot be replaced for rentals.
I thought the plan wasn't draft, just a free-for-all after the draft before the season starts.
 

Eck'sSneakyCheese

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Sounds good too. Position for position though, right? And can we choose between IR and get a one year rental or straight release and pick up the new player?
 

JerBear

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We got 16 votes though its not a rep of 16 teams.  Yes is the winner.
 
Based on the commentary I think the following is appropriate though I'm typically for a conservative first attempt with adjustments made in the offseason:
  • Players must be on IR/Retired at the start of the NFL regular season to be eligible for RFP IR/Retired.
  • Replacement player must primarily play the same side of the ball.
  • Replacement plays will be automatically dropped and put back into the draft pool at the end of the season, even if they are replacing retired players.
  • All transactions have to fall between the end of the supplemental draft and the start of the regular season.  If the supplemental draft isn't complete by the start of the regular season we'll revisit the cutoff date but players injured during the regular season won't be eligible.
Sound good?
 

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JerBear said:
We got 16 votes though its not a rep of 16 teams.  Yes is the winner.
 
Based on the commentary I think the following is appropriate though I'm typically for a conservative first attempt with adjustments made in the offseason:
  • Players must be on IR/Retired at the start of the NFL regular season to be eligible for RFP IR/Retired.
  • Replacement player must primarily play the same side of the ball.
  • Replacement plays will be automatically dropped and put back into the draft pool at the end of the season, even if they are replacing retired players.
  • All transactions have to fall between the end of the supplemental draft and the start of the regular season.  If the supplemental draft isn't complete by the start of the regular season we'll revisit the cutoff date but players injured during the regular season won't be eligible.
Sound good?
 
Like it a lot. Can someone PM it to every owner? That the missing piece here. JerBear/Eck/ElCab working these things out is OK by me as long as it is PM'ed/emailed to all owners. Then everyone has an opportunity to comment and/or vote. 
 

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I like it too, even if it does mean I should probably check all my players to see if they got hurt in the preseason.  Ugh.
 

JerBear

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soxfan121 said:
 
Like it a lot. Can someone PM it to every owner? That the missing piece here. JerBear/Eck/ElCab working these things out is OK by me as long as it is PM'ed/emailed to all owners. Then everyone has an opportunity to comment and/or vote. 
PMs sent to everyone telling them what's up with IR and trades and to check the threads.  We'll go with the rules outlined above unless someone points out a grievous oversight.  Dates will be finalized as we come up near the end of the supplemental draft.
 

Morgan's Magic Snowplow

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So the players on IR we still keep at the end of the year, right?
Also, how does the picking up process work?  Is there an order for claiming players or is it just a massive free-for-all after the supplemental draft?
 

JerBear

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Correct.  At the end of the year all IR'd players are still on your team and the replacements go back into the FA pool.  This just allows you to have an actual player to point to at the end of the year rather than "Sean Lee who didn't play a snap".
 

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Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
So the players on IR we still keep at the end of the year, right?
Also, how does the picking up process work?  Is there an order for claiming players or is it just a massive free-for-all after the supplemental draft?
 
OOOoooooohhhh. This is gonna be good. 
 
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