DrewDawg said:
That's where I am at. His playoff numbers are excellent and his numbers with Kelly are fine. I think the jury is still out on him.
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That's where I am at. His playoff numbers are excellent and his numbers with Kelly are fine. I think the jury is still out on him.
I think they probably should have done this, too. I'm not convinced it would have made enough of a difference to ultimately save Rex's job though, or materially improve the Jets' outcomes. When the answer is Henne or Orton, you have to think seriously hard about whether you have the right question.Shelterdog said:
I'm very interested to see what they do at QB. They don't have a first-rounder, so drafting a plug-and-play guy seems out. Manuel hasn't shown anything to suggest he deserves another chance. Maybe they do get a veteran "game manager" type to run things in Buffalo.
I'm not blind to Rex's faults. But personally, I'd rather hire a guy like Rex that's really good at some stuff and really bad at other stuff and hope he can improve or I can put him in a situation to minimize his faults than hire a Mike Smith / Jack Del Rio type who hasn't really shown anything as a HC but whose weaknesses maybe aren't as glaring.
Super Nomario said:
I don't look at an NFL head coaching gig like that. I think a lot of it has to do with management. Rex strikes me as a bad manager. Not as bad as his dad who flew the defense on their own plane or punched another coach (kevin gilbride, I think) when he was a coordinator , but still a bad manager. [SIZE=13.63636302948px]The more I read Rex's statements, I feel like Rex is just doing an homage to his dad. I remember when Buddy went to the Cardinals and said something like they couldnt run it on me in Chicago, they couldnt run it on us in Philadelphia and they wont run it on us here. I think the highlight of his tenure in Arizona was having one of his players (edit Wilber Marshall) almost kill Troy Aikman. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=13.63636302948px]Found an old story about the hit with some Buddy Ryan gems here.[/SIZE]
GeorgeCostanza said:
It is either that or the the delivery boy has to come in bare foot. Those are the only ways Rex will receive a pizza nowadays.
Woody has to be crying because Rex will steal a good chunk of the back page of the tabloids, and the Jets will get it back no time soon.
Saw him interviewed on NFLN, and he's really good at this stuff. First, he was asked -- and confirmed -- that he is looking for a house in the area of Buffalo that gets the most snow -- cause he is really embracing the community. He reiterated that the Pats still wear the bull's eye, but not because he hates the Pats -- rather, they have won the division 11 of 12 years and represent the gold standard. To join them, you have to beat them. He added that there is no animosity re the Jets cause he's very tight with the players.
If he doesn't get QB solved it won't matter, but this will be fun.
Credit where credit due department -- if he has lost an ounce, he has lost close to 100 pounds and kept them off. And probably added years to his life. Looks good and not at all haggard. Coaching agrees with him.
Saw him interviewed on NFLN, and he's really good at this stuff. First, he was asked -- and confirmed -- that he is looking for a house in the area of Buffalo that gets the most snow -- cause he is really embracing the community. He reiterated that the Pats still wear the bull's eye, but not because he hates the Pats -- rather, they have won the division 11 of 12 years and represent the gold standard. To join them, you have to beat them. He added that there is no animosity re the Jets cause he's very tight with the players.
If he doesn't get QB solved it won't matter, but this will be fun.
Credit where credit due department -- if he has lost an ounce, he has lost close to 100 pounds and kept them off. And probably added years to his life. Looks good and not at all haggard. Coaching agrees with him.
But because of that entertainment value, SJH is absolutely right that he has not been called to account for his failures by the media, and likely never will. And this is from someone, me, who thinks he has some accomplishments and brings a fair amount to the table.
It's with him as it was with his old man Buddy. Because he dishes so much and is funny > lifetime pass.
soxfan121 said:
-- fun to come into a thread and find I've been appointed footmen. I'm going to find Rex's favorite websites and post that as a brag.and I actually don't hate him -- I call him an overrated blowhard fraud with affection! (actually, it's true -- I do buy what Taibbi said his article's point was: that Rex is a classic American character. That is to say a classic overrated blowhard American fraud. Kind of a fun one...he should be a carnival huckster and he is a helluva lot more fun than anyone from Todd Bowles to Bill B. Like the head of the fire John Idzik site, I'd much prefer to have a beer with Rex. But I'd hire the pro to be my coach)
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soxfan121 said:
Hold on -- hook me and luckiestman up all you want, but don't tell me Pete Carroll shared Rex Ryan's inflated evaluation of Sanchez. Carroll obviously blows smoke about all his players, but he was quite clear that he didn't think Sanchez was NFL ready. Ryan disagreed and, as others have said, based on his personal evaluation pushed Tanny to trade up for him. And your 2nd point is the insane one. Precisely because Sanchez was the major flaw on a very good but very veteran roster you bring in a legit QB (not a development guy...though maybe that, too, with a late rounder). Trading for an Alex Smith type or signing an Orton type mediocrity is obviously not ideal. But you combine a mediocre QB with a terrific OL, good albeit aging RBs and WRs and a great defense and you have something much more viable in the short term (and they were all in on the short-term, per Tanny overburdening the salary cap to get Rex toys) than what you have with Sanchez there. How Rex so buying into Sanchez can be overlooked is beyond me -- it's incredibly damning. Those were really talented rosters.
Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
Yep, I suspect Roman might be better than previous Rex OCs, though Roman had Jim Harbaugh so really hard to know who to blame/give credit for the bad/good there. But there were at least some innovative things done in SF. Both Seattle and SF run a lot, but still have creative offenses. Rex's idea of ground and pound and innovation has been to bring in Tony Sparano as his handpicked OC so he'd run the ball up the gut and innovate with the use of a Wildcat that the league had figured out years previous.
Oh, but I say that affectionately.
dcmissle said:
yep!
p.s.: here's the precise quote from Rex
I'm no fan of Schwartz, but what a douche comment. Did someone point out how the Bills beat his ass last year? Ryan's the type of guy who after getting his butt kicked 43-23 and 38-3 would point out that the Jets' 23 points in that first game was more than the average points allowed by the Bills and smirk like he's a champion.
In contrast to other individuals -- del Rio, Fox -- who also accomplished things but whose hires are more readily trashed -- same tired old faces and so forth.
I'd love some talented writer to pull the curtain back on this double standard based on who cozies up to the media and who doesn't. Jayson Whitlock would be ideal.
Unless I'm missing the sarcasm meter, that will be impossible without a big trade up. They gave away pick #19 this year to move up to get Watkins last year. Their first pick is # 50.
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luckiestman said:
Completion percentage is not a measure of accuracy when the vast majority of passes you make are throws of 5 yards or so. When Sanchez was allowed to throw down the field - and he rarely was - he had significant accuracy issues.
These stats are a product of Chip Kelly's system and (more specifically) his use of Sanchez. Nothing more, nothing less. Again, that doesn't speak well of Rex Ryan and his handling of the QB position, which is the real issue.
Tony C said:
One of the questions Ryan got today was "How much are you salivating to get your hands on that D?"
What a bunch of sad goddamn sheep the media are in general. Why not just blow the guy right there and be done with it. Shameful.
Jim Schwartz should be pissed off and rightly so. He's the guy who made that defense was it was, and he was ushered out of the building quicker than the Don't Tase Me Bro guy. Not even a sniff of the HC job. Pegula made his bed by going for the cheap thrills hire, so now he's going to sleep in it to the tune of $27 million.
To be fair, Buffalo had the #4 defense by DVOA the year before Schwartz arrived. They just have a lot of good players that would be tough in any scheme. And while Schwartz might have got a raw deal in the coaching search, he's also a gigantic asshole who has done himself few favors with his gigantic assholery (like getting carried off the field after the Lions game).Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
Bills in 2013 pre-Schwartz were 20th in the league in points given up. In 2014 with him they were 4th, and this after losing Alonso for the year, putting their 1st rounder into the offensive side of the ball, and having Brandon f-ing Spikes be their big defensive free agent signing.
Rex "we're always at the top" Ryan got the Jets to 24th in points allowed.
That said I feel dirty defending Schwartz. I'd rather have a beer with Rexy.
Rex "we're always at the top" Ryan got the Jets to 24th in points allowed.
That said I feel dirty defending Schwartz. I'd rather have a beer with Rexy.
dynomite said:
I think the Week 1 starter is someone not currently in the organization.
Brian Hoyer is a free agent (as you note), and Mike Glennon and Kirk Cousins are likely to be traded. Maybe Cousins isn't an upgrade on Manuel, but the other two clearly are. Hoyer costs only money and is likely to focus on the handful of teams that can offer a starting gig, and I can't imagine the Bucs are going to get a king's ransom for Glennon after Lovie Smith buried him beneath Josh McCown on the depth chart this season.
I expect the Bills to pick up one of these cheap upgrades and let Manuel spend another year developing as a backup, at least initially. Then, a year from now, they can evaluate whether one of their internal options (the new guy or Manuel) is a long-term solution, or if they need to consider using their 2016 first-rounder on a QB.
Hold on hold on ... how exactly are we defining "top-5 QB" here? One of the last 5 QBs remaining in the playoffs? Top 5 pick in the draft?soxfan121 said:
Bold statement since only two current coaches have been with their same team for over 10 years. One is an all time great and one has an all time cheap owner.
Ya. Right.
I mean, he might be technically correct (if nobody wants to hire him after he gets canned), but this strikes me as yet another "Speak now and don't worry about cashing the check until later when it no longer matters" instance.
He certainly talks a big game.
I mean, he might be technically correct (if nobody wants to hire him after he gets canned), but this strikes me as yet another "Speak now and don't worry about cashing the check until later when it no longer matters" instance.
He certainly talks a big game.
Well, they're paying him $28 million for 4 years. Simple math tell you that for 15 years he'd do even better. No wonder he doesn't want to coach anywhere else!
Silverdude2167 said:
I thought this wrong-I said "No way Marvin Lewis has been there more than 10 years." Boy was I wrong-it's 12 years.
Marvin Lewis has been employed as NFL head coach for 12 (and presumably 13) straight years by the same team.
Rexy's statement isn't that bold. If he doesn't succeed in Buffalo, he'll never get another NFL head coaching gig, and he'd probably rather do TV or coach in college than work for another ego-driven HC as a coordinator or position coach.
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Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
He's clearly not an elite coach, but I'd argue Marv is probably ranked in the 10-15 range among NFL coaches. He's not exactly Jim Caldwell out there. You could do far worse than Marvin Lewis.
...which can also be said about his QB.
Good point, missed him. Mike McCarthy and Sean Payton in a year as well. Assuming they survive.Rudy's Curve said:
Dan Katz wrote about this a few months ago: http://soshcentral.com/nfl/long-form-editorial/profiles/2014/09/30/tenure-marvin-lewis-and-the-bengals/
And to connect this to the thread topic, Rex has a career 4-2 record in the playoffs. Marvin...read the piece.
Huh. Coming soon...
And to connect this to the thread topic, Rex has a career 4-2 record in the playoffs. Marvin...read the piece.
MentalDisabldLst said:
Huh. Coming soon...
All things considered, the Bills did better hiring Rex than if they had hired Schwartz. I guess that's something.Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
I wish he was still coaching the Jets: bad owner, bad roster, skilled but flawed blowhard coach- they were great heels to root against. Or I wish he had gone to Miami. Because except for the Lawyer Milloy saga, to me the Bills have always been semi-lovable losers. Now, outside of Pats games where we always want the opponent to lose, I have to root not just for the Jets and Dolphins to fail, but also the Bills. Sigh.
Goddamn this dude is so good at giving enjoyable press conferences. I can't decide whether I'm happy he stays in the league and gets to keep being the only legitimately entertaining head coach, or sad that he's not gonna be on some TV show
So glad he could entertain you. I don't get this angle from people. When I want to be entertained I watch games, watch movies, watch TV and get content in so many ways and so many places. Why are NFL press conferences judged on the value of their "entertainment"?
5dice said:
What possible reason is there to engage with professional football or anything associated with it for any reason besides entertainment? I suppose if you're a professional gambler there might be one, but I certainly am not, and absent that, entertainment is literally the only motivation I have for paying attention to anything about the NFL ever. I want press conferences to be entertaining for the same reason I'd like every aspect of the NFL to be entertaining--because when it isn't entertaining, i feel like I'm wasting my time.
There are many, many NFL press conferences that feel like a complete waste of time. Ryan's almost never do.
The former. All of these networks have panels. Time has to be shared. You'll see far more of Rex as HC than you would on ESPN, for example. 16 press conference during the season. Day after stuff on the NFLN and so forth. Your cup runeth overNatetheGreat said:
EDIT: And who is close to entertaining as Rex is, or has been? They are all stuffed shirts in the main. Tomlin can be funny at times, but he is more subtle. Harbaugh, on occasion. Jim Mora was hugely entertaining when he got aggravated with his teams. but he's been gone a long time. Bum Philips was hilarious but gone far longer. Ditka was good. Buddy Ryan -- he was just a mean old prick. It's not a common gift among coaches.
True. I do kinda think he'd be a good talking head though. Like the NFL's answer to Charles Barkley.
BB should get some love in this respect. Even if "he doesn't say anything" Bill's ongoing irritation can definitely be entertaining.
Shelterdog said:
They did bring in other QB's. They had Tim Tebow, Greg McElroy and Michael Vick in addition to Sanchez and Geno. They could have brought in 15 other guys and it wouldn't have equaled one good QB.
I don't think Rex is a great coach, but it's not because he failed to developed Mark Sanchez into a pro bowler. He's a mediocre coach, which might be the best the Bills could do.
See, this is the kind of shit SJH, Tony C and I hate about the media, and carrying Rex's jock. This is coming from Grantland and Robert Mays
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/buffalo-bills-defense-offense-rex-ryan/
A proven history of winning? I mean, really? He had 2 winning seasons... 1 season in which he was more than a game over .500. His career record as a coach is 46-50. This is not a man with a proven history of winning. It's a man won for a short period of time with the core of a team he didn't assemble. Good coaches inevitably coach up young talent, work with veterans, and once they hit a certain point, leave an indelible mark on their team. It's why good coaches often find consistency the longer they stay with teams... everybody left on the roster is working on the coach's playbook. Even Marvin Lewis, by no means a truly great coach, has established a consistent core in Cincinatti. When a coach who coaches as long as Rex did trends downward over 6 years the way Rex did, you look at the team, and wonder what his mark was.
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/buffalo-bills-defense-offense-rex-ryan/
A proven history of winning? I mean, really? He had 2 winning seasons... 1 season in which he was more than a game over .500. His career record as a coach is 46-50. This is not a man with a proven history of winning. It's a man won for a short period of time with the core of a team he didn't assemble. Good coaches inevitably coach up young talent, work with veterans, and once they hit a certain point, leave an indelible mark on their team. It's why good coaches often find consistency the longer they stay with teams... everybody left on the roster is working on the coach's playbook. Even Marvin Lewis, by no means a truly great coach, has established a consistent core in Cincinatti. When a coach who coaches as long as Rex did trends downward over 6 years the way Rex did, you look at the team, and wonder what his mark was.