Revis: Reportedly Signs with the Jets

Re-Boot Question One: Who gets Revis?

  • Pats

    Votes: 113 48.1%
  • Jets

    Votes: 35 14.9%
  • KC

    Votes: 40 17.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 47 20.0%

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Ed Hillel

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If they really let him go over 40 million guaranteed, which we can safelty assume is over 3 years, I'm not sure they have much of a chance to get him back. The Jets will likely go well above that, and if they weren't willing to pay it before he hit the market, I can't see why they would after, knowing full well his market will be above.
 

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ZMart100 said:
This board wouldn't have traded Mankins or Seymour, those deals worked out. Paying a 30 year old CB with a history of knee injuries is risky, even if he is an all time great. I would have set 3/36 in real money as the threshold.
Id do the deal reportedly on the table, but acknowledge its risky and get the sense I'll be less upset than most here if it doesnt get done.  Also not going to panic on day 1 of free agency about the secondary.
 

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I guess I nailed the 3/48 number. He wants his 16 million a year. Make it happen Pats
 

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Neither Sherman nor Peterson have nearly that much in truly fully guaranteed money. 
 
In both those contracts there is an initial guarantee of the signing bonus and first year salary, then subsequent year salary guarantees lock in somewhere between the Super Bowl and the new league year, with dead money considerations shaping the extent to which those subsequent-year guarantees are de facto escapable or not.  That's not an uncommon structure for big contracts in general.  The headlines usually exaggerate the extent of truly guaranteed money.
 

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Dumb question, I'm sorry, but has any NFL player ever had a fully guaranteed contract of 3+ years?
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwbzxemJZIc
 
As for the union discussion that occurred earlier, what was left out of the discussion was that Sean Gilbert wants to get the NFLPA out of the CBA that was discussed above because there is a sense that the owners ate their lunch.
 
Short version: The rookies get fucked, especially in the context of average career length, and that's led to veterans getting squeezed against the much better value offered by rookie contracts. Basically, the NFLPA needs more non-QBs to command high end deals because they want to break the system.
 

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Stitch01 said:
Id do the deal on the table, but acknowledge its risky and get the sense I'll be less upset than most here if it doesnt get done.  Also not going to panic on day 1 of free agency about the secondary.
 
I'm not going to panic either, but if they lose Revis they'll have to invest elsewhere if they don't want the defense to be significantly worse. There's not much out there in terms of secondary help if he's gone.
 

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40 guaranteed would put him only behind watt and suh for guaranteed $$ for defensive player would it not?
 

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I mean, it's a risk. Ty Law, Asante Samuel, and Nnamdi Asomugha's last Pro Bowl selections were around age 30. Samuel and Asomugha are 34 and 33 respectively, and are both out of the league. It's quite possible that Revis drops off quite a bit in the next 1-2 seasons.
 

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I mean, it's a risk. Ty Law, Asante Samuel, and Nnamdi Asomugha's last Pro Bowl selections were around age 30. Samuel and Asomugha are 34 and 33 respectively, and are both out of the league. It's quite possible that Revis drops off quite a bit in the next 1-2 seasons.
Or he could be Darrell Green. We just do not know. Pats aren't willing to take the risk it seems.
 

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Revis relies far more on practice, technique, and film study then Samuel or Asomugha ever did.
 
I think there is a pretty limited chance he falls off in the next 3-4 years for non-injury related reasons.
 

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I'd go 4/64 with 48 million guaranteed.
I'm a bit surprised the contract length being rumored is 3 years. You'd think he'd be looking for a longer term on his last "big" contract.
 
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And Peterson isn't in Revis' stratosphere as a corner. If the Pats can do mid 30's in guaranteed money, just give him what he wants. 
That's harsh, considering the age and experience difference. And Peterson brings a lot more to the table in ST, and his YAINT skills are much better.
 
(and I'd go 3/54 with 39 guaranteed but whatever he reasonably wants is fine too)
 

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I'm a bit surprised the contract length being rumored is 3 years. You'd think he'd be looking for a longer term on his last "big" contract.
 
The 3 years is better for him, since it's all he's going to get guaranteed and it lets him hit the market if he's still playing well. He'd get cut anyway on a longer term deal if he wasn't.
 

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Can players have opt-out clauses in contracts, like in MLB? I don't recall ever hearing of any, but if so, I'd give him what he wants for guaranteed money, but give him a player opt-out clause after year 2, with the third year "guaranteed money" no longer guaranteed if he opts out. 
 

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If Woody decides that he wants to beat the Patriots at this game, he has the cap room to do it.  Can't win a bidding war with them, and don't want to.  The goal at this point might be to drive their price up as high as possible.
 
Also, a 3 year deal doesn't give as much flexibility with the cap as a longer deal would -- not as many years to spread out the signing bonus.  Probably looking at what?  12/18/18, maybe 12/16/20 in terms of cap hits over the three years?  
 

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theapportioner said:
Can players have opt-out clauses in contracts, like in MLB? I don't recall ever hearing of any, but if so, I'd give him what he wants for guaranteed money, but give him a player opt-out clause after year 2, with the third year "guaranteed money" no longer guaranteed if he opts out.
What if the opt-out benefits the team?
 

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Yeah, I think it's very close but if guaranteeing $40m to a 30-year-old non-QB is the sticking point -- more guarantee than anyone else at his position -- I am OK with NE walking away. He helped a lot, but didn't turn them into a dominant defense. They didn't get where they are by going over their budget for shiny pieces.
 

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If Woody decides that he wants to beat the Patriots at this game, he has the cap room to do it.  Can't win a bidding war with them, and don't want to.  The goal at this point might be to drive their price up as high as possible.
 
Also, a 3 year deal doesn't give as much flexibility with the cap as a longer deal would -- not as many years to spread out the signing bonus.  Probably looking at what?  12/18/18, maybe 12/16/20 in terms of cap hits over the three years?  
 
Does Revis at this price even make sense for the Jets?  I know they have a ton of money, but aren't there better ways to deploy it given how many pieces they need to compete?
 

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DennyDoyle'sBoil said:
If Woody decides that he wants to beat the Patriots at this game, he has the cap room to do it.  Can't win a bidding war with them, and don't want to.  The goal at this point might be to drive their price up as high as possible.
 
Also, a 3 year deal doesn't give as much flexibility with the cap as a longer deal would -- not as many years to spread out the signing bonus.  Probably looking at what?  12/18/18, maybe 12/16/20 in terms of cap hits over the three years?  
 
The bolded plus having some ammunition to get the Jets tampering charges to stick.
 

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What if the opt-out benefits the team?
 
Well, it would be the player who elects to opt out, like CC Sabathia and A-Rod did. So on its face it wouldn't benefit the Patriots. It would benefit the Patriots if he signs another big contract with another team in 2 years and ends up injured or sucking, though.
 

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Does Revis at this price even make sense for the Jets?  I know they have a ton of money, but aren't there better ways to deploy it given how many pieces they need to compete?
Since when did the Jets care about making sense?
 

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DennyDoyle'sBoil said:
If Woody decides that he wants to beat the Patriots at this game, he has the cap room to do it.  Can't win a bidding war with them, and don't want to.  The goal at this point might be to drive their price up as high as possible.
 
Also, a 3 year deal doesn't give as much flexibility with the cap as a longer deal would -- not as many years to spread out the signing bonus.  Probably looking at what?  12/18/18, maybe 12/16/20 in terms of cap hits over the three years?  
What you could do is something similar to what the Pats did with this Revis deal - make it a four- (or five-, I guess) year deal so you can spread the guaranteed money out, but make year four have a crazy high roster bonus that isn't realistically going to be picked up.
 

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What you could do is something similar to what the Pats did with this Revis deal - make it a four- (or five-, I guess) year deal so you can spread the guaranteed money out, but make year four have a crazy high roster bonus that isn't realistically going to be picked up.
I would assume any 3 year deal would be structured as a 4 year deal. In order to cut Revis after 3 years, you'd have to keep the signing bonus below ~17.5m on a 5 year deal. That would be 3.5/year for 2 years, 7 million in dead money. In a 4 year deal you could get away with a signing bonus between 20 and 28 million (5-7 million in dead money) which would help improve the cap hit in 2015.
 

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I'm not going to panic either, but if they lose Revis they'll have to invest elsewhere if they don't want the defense to be significantly worse. There's not much out there in terms of secondary help if he's gone.
Yeah, and there is not a lot left in the pass rush department either. This is where, for example, Orakpo on a "reasonable" deal to reestablish his value does not cut it. He is not that good and has had 3 torn pecs in the last 4 years.
 

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Honestly, I think this was done once the Harvin/Spiller/Sheard news started leaking out earlier today.
Done as in going to the Jets I assume
 

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If the Jets truly are offering $48M guaranteed, say thank you for the ring and hope that the NFL believes Woody's ramblings constitute tampering
 

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I have a feeling the 'reports' of the guaranteed money are just a ploy to get the Pats to ante up.  If the Jets were really blowing him away and made it an easy decision for him I would imagine he would be gone by now.
 

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May be old, but the ESPN crawl was just that the Patriots expect that he'll likely sign with the Jets (but they plan on continuing to negotiate).
 

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May be old, but the ESPN crawl was just that the Patriots expect that he'll likely sign with the Jets (but they plan on continuing to negotiate).
That was "reported" like 3 hours ago.
 

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May be old, but the ESPN crawl was just that the Patriots expect that he'll likely sign with the Jets (but they plan on continuing to negotiate).
 
Schefter had that right at 4:00 PM.
 
I'm probably guilty of relentless homerism here, but I'm starting to feel the same way wutang is, and that the Revis camp is just trying to squeeze as much out of the Pats as possible.
 

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Schefter had that right at 4:00 PM.

 
I'm probably guilty of relentless homerism here, but I'm starting to feel the same way wutang is, and that the Revis camp is just trying to squeeze as much out of the Pats as possible.
That strategy can backfire./Welker
 

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I agree. No way in hell he wants to go back to that clown show after tasting NFL heaven. He just wants every dollar he can get out of the Pats. No different than DMC really.
 

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But the opposite also could just as easily be true: he's trying to drive up the Jets's offer more and more.
 
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I really want the Pats to re-sign Revis, but if they don't, I'm happy to see him going to a place to languish for the rest of his career, as opposed to good teams with good QBs and a pretty glaring need for CB help. (I'm looking at you, Baltimore and Pitt!) Obviously it'll hurt the Patriots, and I too would be FINE guaranteeing up to $50 of his deal, so I find myself surprised and disappointed by this possibility. But all in all, if he does wind up in NY it'll be fun to watch him sit there never winning anything and eating up a decent portion of their cap.

(That said, if we DID give Revis all that guaranteed cash and he got hurt for all 16 games next season, I'm not sure I would necessarily want the out. I would wait for him to get better, scramble for a year and look forward to his recovery. I think it's worth it so WHY the hell are we hung up on potentially getting out of it? Oh well...)
 

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The Pats knew Welker was pretty much done and had little market.
 
Maybe, but he probably still would have given the Patriots more than Amendola has the past two years.
 
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