Revis: Back to the Future?

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It is mostly conjecture, but maybe. I don't hate it from the perspective that Revis would be highly motivated.
 

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This would be fascinating in that, typically, players that leave on less than perfect terms just don't come back.

I could still see him being useful, just not a shut down guy any more
 

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A question vis a vis Revis' contract situation with the Jets. He's guaranteed to make $6M for doing nothing. So no matter what the Pats pay him from minimum on up, the Pats' cap hit would be that number while reducing the amount the Jets owed Revis, correct?

What happens if the Pats offer incentives, like Pro Bowl, Super Bowl, etc? How do those factor into the equation?
 

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A question vis a vis Revis' contract situation with the Jets. He's guaranteed to make $6M for doing nothing. So no matter what the Pats pay him from minimum on up, the Pats' cap hit would be that number while reducing the amount the Jets owed Revis, correct?

What happens if the Pats offer incentives, like Pro Bowl, Super Bowl, etc? How do those factor into the equation?
No, the $6M owed by the Jets has no bearing on what the Pats would have to pay or be accounted for. They cut him.
 

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A question vis a vis Revis' contract situation with the Jets. He's guaranteed to make $6M for doing nothing. So no matter what the Pats pay him from minimum on up, the Pats' cap hit would be that number while reducing the amount the Jets owed Revis, correct?

What happens if the Pats offer incentives, like Pro Bowl, Super Bowl, etc? How do those factor into the equation?
Yes, there is offset language in his contract. I was wrong.
 
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A question vis a vis Revis' contract situation with the Jets. He's guaranteed to make $6M for doing nothing. So no matter what the Pats pay him from minimum on up, the Pats' cap hit would be that number while reducing the amount the Jets owed Revis, correct?

What happens if the Pats offer incentives, like Pro Bowl, Super Bowl, etc? How do those factor into the equation?
It would probably put the Jets in an interesting conflict of interest position ie. the better he plays the less they owe him.
 

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I'm pretty sure there is an offset. If the Pats pay Revis $1.5MM the Jets obligation would be reduced to $4.5MM.
You're right, I apologize. I found this link that says in fact Revis' Jets contract does contain offset language. Whatever Revis makes will reduce the amount the Jets offer him.

"Revis has some protection against lack of interest; his contract with the Jets pays him $6 million fully guaranteed for 2017. The Jets have protection against his protection. The $6 million payment contains offset language, creating a dollar-for-dollar credit based on anything Revis earns elsewhere."

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/06/revis-can-reject-offers-for-less-than-6-million-without-consequence/
 

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It would be pretty amazing to watch the Jets pay for Revis to play for the Pats and win another title. Talk about avenging the tampering.
 

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It would probably put the Jets in an interesting conflict of interest position ie. the better he plays the less they owe him.
It would be pretty amazing to watch the Jets pay for Revis to play for the Pats and win another title. Talk about avenging the tampering.
So not only would the Jets be rooting for Revis to play well to hit his incentives, they could instruct Hackenberg to throw him a few pick-sixes to enhance his chances of getting named All-Pro!
 

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So not only would the Jets be rooting for Revis to play well to hit his incentives, they could instruct Hackenberg to throw him a few pick-sixes to enhance his chances of getting named All-Pro!
They wouldn't need to instruct him to do that
 

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It would be awesome if there is a structure that the Patriots could agree to that would fuck the Jets the most and still get Revis paid.
 

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But Chung wasn't out of shape in Philly; when BB brought him back he changed his role to the big-nickel/LB hybrid he is now.

Revis is a strictly a CB. A CB who doesn't like contact judging from last season.

I dunno. I don't really see a fit.
 

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No, the $6M owed by the Jets has no bearing on what the Pats would have to pay or be accounted for. They cut him.
I don't think he was saying it has a bearing on the Pats. He was asking if whatever the Pats paid him would offset what the Jets have to pay.
 

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Not sure where to put this. I will take a Revis with something to prove and playing for his next contract. Also the thought of him possibly winning his 2nd title with the Pats while the jets are paying him makes a little bit excited.

@JasonLaConfora. NFL personnel man: We’re convinced Darrelle Revis is going back to New England - CBSSports.com

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-personnel-man-were-convinced-darrelle-revis-is-going-back-to-new-england/
If Revis was 26 and coming off a bad year, I'd say sure. But he's 32, coming off a terrible year, and still wants to get paid like he's a viable NFL starter.

Vet min with incentives? Sure. He's not going to sign for that though. For the $6M the article thinks he should get? Absolutely not.

Frankly, he should be playing safety at this point in his career.
 

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If Revis was 26 and coming off a bad year, I'd say sure. But he's 32, coming off a terrible year, and still wants to get paid like he's a viable NFL starter.

Vet min with incentives? Sure. He's not going to sign for that though. For the $6M the article thinks he should get? Absolutely not.

Frankly, he should be playing safety at this point in his career.
$6 million would put him 28th in salary at CB.
 

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But Chung wasn't out of shape in Philly; when BB brought him back he changed his role to the big-nickel/LB hybrid he is now.

Revis is a strictly a CB. A CB who doesn't like contact judging from last season.

I dunno. I don't really see a fit.
This would be the big concern for me. In BB we trust and all but based off of what I saw from him last year, that was a dude who was looking to avoid contact if at all possible. Although BB does have a decent history of coaxing good seasons out of aging superstars who looked done.

If it worked out and he played well again that would be so very Jetsy, though.
 

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This would be the big concern for me. In BB we trust and all but based off of what I saw from him last year, that was a dude who was looking to avoid contact if at all possible. Although BB does have a decent history of coaxing good seasons out of aging superstars who looked done.

If it worked out and he played well again that would be so very Jetsy, though.
Exactly.

That's the market inefficiency that he's identified. Let go of aging stars trying to get their big contract and pickup aging stars coming off of big contracts. He's also not afraid to let them go in camp (usually fairly early) if things aren't working out. What's the risk here? The answer is probably "none".
 

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Imagine the hilarity that would ensue on TGG in February if Pats signed Revis for "nothing", Pats got #11 for Butler, then Revis proceeds to have a good season, ending in a Larry Brown-esque SB LII where gets MVP with 2 INTS including a pick-6.
 

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Hasnt credible sources (BB?) said that Revis' Skill set would not translate well to safety?

Not every older slower CB can become a S. Granted Woodson did it. Who are some other examples?
 

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Imagine the hilarity that would ensue on TGG in February if Pats signed Revis for "nothing", Pats got #11 for Butler, then Revis proceeds to have a good season, ending in a Larry Brown-esque SB LII where gets MVP with 2 INTS including a pick-6.
Not even sure if that would register on TGG any more. They are truly, truly beaten down.
 

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$6 million would put him 28th in salary at CB.
I don't think Revis is anywhere near the 28th best CB in the NFL at this point.

The Jets pass defense was 31st in the league (per FO) and Revis regularly getting torched was a big problem in that. He's still pretty good jamming, and dealing with guys in the short game, but he has no speed whatsoever. He needs constant safety help.
 

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Not even sure if that would register on TGG any more. They are truly, truly beaten down.
Good. Then let's hope they get beaten down some more.

I'm on board with Revis IF... (1) he is in shape and motivated, and (2) the $$ are low.
 

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Not even sure if that would register on TGG any more. They are truly, truly beaten down.
Pats fan started the Revis thread at TGG with this troll:

It really wouldn't surprise me if purposely gained a lot of weight in order to get cut by the Jets knowing he could sign with the Patriots on a one year prove it deal leading to another big contract. This man is truly a genius.
 

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I don't see how we don't at least kick the tires on one of the greatest CBs in league history. He may be 32, but we're not asking for 3-4 years, here.
 

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So not only would the Jets be rooting for Revis to play well to hit his incentives, they could instruct Hackenberg to throw him a few pick-sixes to enhance his chances of getting named All-Pro!
Ordering Hackenberg to throw the ball to Revis certainly improves his odds of completing a pass to that receiving corps.
 

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For the right $$$, why is that a problem? Gilmore should be able to go one-on-one with #1's, and then let Revis serve in the Browner role from 2014.
For the right cash, sure, but the right cash isn't $6M.

If this was baseball, you'd give him a spring training invite.

2014 Browner was a hell of a lot better cornerback than 2016 Revis.
 

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For the right cash, sure, but the right cash isn't $6M.

If this was baseball, you'd give him a spring training invite.

2014 Browner was a hell of a lot better cornerback than 2016 Revis.
I agree that $6m is way too much, but if he took the $1m guaranteed that Browner took in 2014 (with a bunch of incentives), I think he'd be worth kicking the tires on because if you get even 75% of what he was in 2015 I think you'd end up with a solid #2.

I also think Revis knows BB well enough to know that if he came here out of shape at 32, he'll never see the field and will probably find himself retired by the end of August.

Mods - can you please shift all of this to the Revis thread?
 

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The Patriots know the player and this personality/game well. If they think this was a scheme/motivation issue last year I don't see why we'd worry about their judgment on it. I see more risk that they misjudged Gilmore than that they'd be misjudging Revis if they actually did sign him....Revis is a far more known quantity to them.

One consideration is whether they plan to press a lot or not, isn't it? That was part of the fit last time around here.
 

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BB is good at coaxing good years out of fading vets because he and MP use them in schemes that play to the players' strengths. They only target players that fit their schemes.

I don't know how well this applies to Revis. He was getting toasted when the Jets used him as a shutdown CB on fast, top receivers. The Pats have Gilmore for that. Is there a role on the Pats for Revis as the CB assigned to receivers who aren't burners? Maybe.

I think what happens with Butler is a big factor. If the Pats manage to keep Butler, I doubt there's room for Revis. If they lose Butler, maybe the door is open.
 

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One possibility is to have Revis cover the No. 1 receiver short with McCourty helping over the top, while Gilmore takes the No. 2 solo. I could see that working.

Revis' weakness is tackling (whether that's a skill issue or a will issue, I'm not sure). Logan Ryan, by contrast, was a great tackler. The Pats prioritize minimizing YAC, which argues against Revis.
 

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This makes no sense. The Jets will pay him $6 million, minus whatever he earns elsewhere this season (if anything). So what is his starting point to play in 2017? Stated differently, how much more than $6 million will it take to sign him?
 

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This makes no sense. The Jets will pay him $6 million, minus whatever he earns elsewhere this season (if anything). So what is his starting point to play in 2017? Stated differently, how much more than $6 million will it take to sign him?
Exactly -- the only two offers that make sense are a.) the veteran minimum (with the Jets shimming out his paycheck to $6MM), or b.) something > six million. And I'd be very surprised if anybody is planning to pay Revis $6,000,001 or more based on last season's performance.
 

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But what happens if the Pats offer vet minimum salary, with a $5m incentive for being All Pro and $5m for winning the Super Bowl. Presumably those are not LTBE incentives, right (as he didn't earn them last year), but it might be enough to coax him into playing?