Remy returning to the booth

[Rasputin]

I mean, I assumed he didn't get off all those other times by defending himself and using his tremendous wit and charm.

 
There's a pretty big difference between a guy who gets of a few times because he's the RemDawg's son, and a guy who gets off a couple dozen times because his parents bought him some high class legal talent.

 

[NortheasternPJ]

I mean, I assumed he didn't get off all those other times by defending himself and using his tremendous wit and charm.

No one is claiming what your wrote.

Did you have all the details in the article? If so maybe you should have beat them to the punch.

 

[Judge Mental13]

According to that article, Jared Remy was unable to hold a job and for basically his entire life he was financially dependent on his father.  Jerry paid his rent, his car insurance, his cell phone, his cable, etc. 
 
At a certain point you tell your adult son who has been arrested and charged time and time again with beating the shit out of whoever was unfortunate enough to be his girlfriend at the time that next time it happens you're not paying rent anymore, you're paying for him to get help, and that Jedi-lawyer who somehow got every single case dismissed isn't showing up either.  The fact that this type of threat never happened is just maddening. 

 

[Yelling At Clouds]

I find it interesting that Jerry's boss -- John Henry -- published such a piece of journalistic indictment in his paper. I would imagine he had no choice if he wanted to maintain credibility among the staff of The Globe.

 
What I find interesting is that the article makes no mention of this fact (that I could find), which is usually standard-operating procedure in cases like these. 

 

[twibnotes]

I guess we now know why the Sox continue to employ Jerry considering they were complicit in some of this mess by giving Jared a job despite all the alarms.

The traffic violations alone make it shameful that the Red Sox hired him. They gave a dangerous jackass a job to provide security, a role that included him driving (90+ mph) with the World Series trophy. That a billionaire dollar organization would take any risk on a borderline minimum wage role blows my mind.

 

[twibnotes]

Such a good read, such an awful read. Remy rightly gets a lot of blame but the judges should be considered morally culpable as well. The system is set up to allow over-protective parents to do whatever it takes to support their children, and it's the judges' responsibility to do what's in the best interests of society.

I'm no lawyer, but the judges need good witnesses who can press and stick to changes. Seems like the victims are often afraid to tell their stories (understandably so).

 

[riboflav]

Why wouldn't the Red Sox push him out at this point? What is there left to gain by having Remy around? Help me out.

 

[Burn Out]

According to that article, Jared Remy was unable to hold a job and for basically his entire life he was financially dependent on his father.  Jerry paid his rent, his car insurance, his cell phone, his cable, etc. 
 
At a certain point you tell your adult son who has been arrested and charged time and time again with beating the shit out of whoever was unfortunate enough to be his girlfriend at the time that next time it happens you're not paying rent anymore, you're paying for him to get help, and that Jedi-lawyer who somehow got every single case dismissed isn't showing up either.  The fact that this type of threat never happened is just maddening. 

The threat may have happened, but not the follow-through.

I wonder if Jerry feared for his own well-being if he cut the safety net.

 

[YTF]

I'm no lawyer, but the judges need good witnesses who can press and stick to changes. Seems like the victims are often afraid to tell their stories (understandably so).

 But by the same token the judges don't need to be "creative" with their sentencing of this multiple repeat offender.

 

[Blacken]

It may be good practice for him on the witness stand as well. I'm not sure if the trial will be on NESN or NESN+ though.

I wonder if he can put the little chair up while on the stand.

 

[YTF]

The threat may have happened, but not the follow-through.

I wonder if Jerry feared for his own well-being if he cut the safety net.

 
Definitely not looking for excuses, but I've often wondered about this as well. Not only his own but that of his wife or anyone he holds dear.  

 

[twibnotes]

 But by the same token the judges don't need to be "creative" with their sentencing of this multiple repeat offender.

Depends on where you are in the timeline, but I hear you.

Thing is, these judges don't want things like this to happen anymore than you or I. I'd love to know what the root issue is. Are our prisons jammed with less (or non) violent criminals who sold drugs? Is it too hard to put domestic abusers away bc victims are reluctant to speak up? Whatever is the issue, it needs fixing bc common sense told you this a-hole was a time bomb waiting to kill or seriously hurt someone, be it with physical violence or on the roads.

 

[allstonite]

 
Definitely not looking for excuses, but I've often wondered about this as well. Not only his own but that of his wife or anyone he holds dear.  

 
That doesn't really make sense though because if they don't pay for the lawyers and stop enabling, theoretically he goes to jail for a long, long time which would be best for everyone.

 

[curly2]

 
Definitely not looking for excuses, but I've often wondered about this as well. Not only his own but that of his wife or anyone he holds dear.  

 
Yes, I was thinking about Jerry fearing for his wife, especially sends his job sends him on the road for long periods of time.

 

[Bleedred]

Reading that article was nauseating.   What a coward Jared Remy was/is for beating up on the weak and vulnerable....repeatedly, over and over and over.   As often as not women; 2 of whom were the mothers of his children.  Just a contemptible worthless piece of shit of a human.   There's a lot of blame to go around, but 90% of it lies with Jared Remy.

 

[Foulkey Reese]

I wonder if he can put the little chair up while on the stand.

This is funny.
 
I read the story again and it's almost hard to believe that a person can be as rotten as Jared Remy. He's like an evil cartoon character. I hope he's brutally murdered in prison. 

 

[NortheasternPJ]

This is funny.
 
I read the story again and it's almost hard to believe that a person can be as rotten as Jared Remy. He's like an evil cartoon character. I hope he's brutally murdered in prison. 

 
We can take care of that.
 

 

[doldmoose34]

I read this late last night when Mike Giardi of CSNNE tweeted out the link, I said then that there is no way Jerry survives this, yet there he was smiling on NESN at game time. I was shocked. PH replied to one of my tweets that the resturant people better have a plan B, I'm also shocked that there haven't been demonstrations by battered women's groups outside the restaurants.
There is no doubt after reading the article that Jared is the biggest 'roided up asshole this side of Herendez, but the facts remain Jerry and his wife enabled him for ever and the blood of Jen Martel are all over Phoebe Remys hands. She made the call to Jen not to extend the restraining order.

Jerry doesn't last the week

 

[YTF]

 
That doesn't really make sense though because if they don't pay for the lawyers and stop enabling, theoretically he goes to jail for a long, long time which would be best for everyone.

 
 
We're talking BEFORE Shrek murdered anyone and the earlier crimes wouldn't have sent him away for a long, long time. Unfortunately by the time Jen Martel had been murdered a pattern had been established.

 

[Rasputin]

If'n you want to contact NESN, you can e-mail sports@nesn.com or write, call, fax to them at:
 
NESN 480 Arsenal Street, Building #1 Watertown, MA 02472 Phone: 1-617-536-9233 FAX: 1-617-536-7814

Read more at: http://nesn.com/contact/

 

[MyDaughterLovesTomGordon]

I doubt it will make any difference, but I emailed. 
 
Probably no one cares, but this is the letter I sent, which is where I'm at with the situation:
 
Hello,
 
Look, I don't think, ultimately, Jerry Remy is a terrible person, but I just can't watch the Sox broadcasts with him commentating anymore. 
 
His son is too much of a monster, and Jerry has been too mixed up in too much horrible stuff for me to listen to him clown around on the air with Don. It's just stomach-turning. 
 
I love the Red Sox and would normally watch nightly, but I just can't do it right now, and maybe not anymore if Remy is going to be involved. 
 
Please, encourage Jerry to give it up. 
 
Yours,
MDLTG

 

[Dogman]

 
BUffalo Head thinks you should go to prison and share a cell with Jerry and me.

 
 
Perhaps you should rationalize your earlier thoughts now that this piece has been published instead of playing thread victim.  The overwhelming evidence that your prior leniency remains unsupportable should be clear to you.

 

[Harry Hooper]

Apparently having a valid driver's license and vehicle registration is something that only the little people in this state need concern themselves about.
 
 
Any chance NESN is keeping Jerry on the air because he told the Sox that "If I go down, you all go down too."?

 

[Reverend]

Apparently having a valid driver's license and vehicle registration is something that only the little people in this state need concern themselves about.
 
 
Any chance NESN is keeping Jerry on the air because he told the Sox that "If I go down, you all go down too."?

 
I think you've been spending too much time in the Malaysian Airliner thread.

 

[MuzzyField]

After reading the article this morning and absorbing the disturbing details within it, it's simple, I need Jerry Remy, the delusional enabler, to get off of my TV. I watch sports to escape and be entertained and wish not to be reminded of Jerry's family issues for the next seven months.
What an 0-for-3 in parenting he and his wife have achieved. I guess Wally must be his favorite child, or the son he always wished for. It sure sucks that all of the patronage of his various business endeavors helped enable him to defend his son with such vigor. I, for one, no longer wish to assist in footing this bill.
The Sox already took one too many for Remdog by hiring his killer son in a "security position", only to limit his work to times when the fewest people would be at risk. At least he can't kill a World Series Trophy.

 

[Myt1]

 
BUffalo Head thinks you should go to prison and share a cell with Jerry and me.

You poor thing.  Being a completely ignorant apologist for the enablers of a repeat beater of women and murderer just sucks sometime, doesn't it?

 

[Blacken]

You poor thing.  Being a completely ignorant apologist for the enablers of a repeat beater of women and murderer just sucks sometime, doesn't it?

Could be worse. He could be a lawyer.

 

[Steve Dillard]

I hate Remy's yuks and general disposition more than the next, and hope he gets canned today for generally sucking and for being a miserable human being.  But save your goddam emails and letters to NESN, and write them to the Court system and the Judges who allowed this to happen.   They had the power to do the right thing, and they, moreso than the next, bougtht the bullsh$t that Remy's paid for lawyers sold.   Remy might have paid for the best bsers, but someone has to buy that.  The Courts and the DAs failed here and bear a far more direct causal burden here.   Getting Remy fired wont cure the systemic failure.   Holding those Judges and DAs responsible will help future victims.   If you want to be outraged, make it productive.  Only when Judges know the eyes of the world are watching are they prevented from "doing a favor" for a celeb.
 
Lowell
 

Judge Neil J. Walker accepted a proposal from defense lawyer Peter Bella. Over the prosecutor’s objections, Walker continued and then dismissed the case.

Remy has been found guilty just twice, and both times his lawyer persuaded a judge to let him walk with a suspended sentence, defying the wishes of prosecutors.
Often he benefited from victims who did not want to testify, whether from fear or forgiveness, leading prosecutors to drop the case. But even when cases seemed airtight, judges often rewarded Remy with a nearly free pass — temporary probation without the stain of a guilty finding. Most offenders are lucky to get two such reprieves. He got six.
 

 
 

Back in court on Oct. 21, 1998, Bella, the defense attorney, set the template that they would use down the long line of future cases: Remy would waive his right to a jury trial and hope for leniency from a judge. He would admit sufficient facts — acknowledging enough evidence for a jury conviction, stopping short of a full admission or apology — but ask to be let go without incarceration or a guilty finding.
Prosecutors objected, court records show. Guyette said she spoke on Remy’s behalf. And Judge Gregory C. Flynn rewarded him with the next best thing to outright dismissal, a “continuance without a finding” — a judgment known in Massachusetts criminal courts as a CWOF (pronounced “quaff”), probation without a conviction.....
Noting the string of cases, Judge Flynn of Waltham at an arraignment that Monday, July 7, allowed Remy to avoid jail but ordered him to move home with his parents and observe a 6 p.m. to 6 a.m. curfew while awaiting trial.
 

 
 

Title

First Justice Gregory Flynn

 

 

Office Mailing Address

Waltham District Court
38 Linden Street
Waltham, MA 02452

 

 
 
 
 

Title

First Justice Neil J. Walker

 

 

Office Mailing Address

Lowell District Court
41 Hurd Street
Lowell, MA 01852
 
 
MIDDLESEX DISTRICT ATTORNEY
 
Middlesex District Attorney Marian T. Ryan  (Appointed April 2013, so not in office for prior incidents, and only on the job 3 months at time of last arrest/murder)
 
Her predecessor was Martha Coakley from 2006 to 2010
 

General Information
 


Main Phone:   (781) 897-8300
Main Fax:        (781) 897-8301
 
For employment information please follow this link: Employment/Internship Opportunities


Main Office


Office of the Middlesex District Attorney
15 Commonwealth Avenue
Woburn, MA 01801

Main Phone:     (781) 897-8300
Main Fax:          (781) 897-8301
MA Toll Free:    (877) 897-8333
Press Office:    (781) 897-8325
 


 


 

 

[John Marzano Olympic Hero]

I read this late last night when Mike Giardi of CSNNE tweeted out the link, I said then that there is no way Jerry survives this, yet there he was smiling on NESN at game time.
 

 
I was at the gym yesterday and watching a bit of the game while on the treadmill (with no sound) and between innings there was a shot of Don and Jerry that seemed to go on for hours. By the end of the shot, they were giggling and laughing and it occurred to me that I can't watch him anymore. I don't expect the guy to be stuck in some sort of room for the rest of his life, but he can't be on NESN any more. He just can't.

 

[Rovin Romine]

I can't really write as much as I'd like about this.   
 
I did want to note in passing that there seems to be a sort of dissonance in how people view this situation vis a vis Jerry.  
 
Also, the article, while disturbing, is a one sided hatchet job that plays to a lot of common media stereotypes about domestic violence and the court system.  It's well written though - and as rhetoric I admire the craft.  Clearly it provoked a strong response in some people. 
 
But considering it as a piece that offers a "true" picture of how the court system works, it leaves a lot to be desired.  

 

[joe dokes]

Myt1, on 23 Mar 2014 - 11:30 PM, said:

You poor thing.  Being a completely ignorant apologist for the enablers of a repeat beater of women and murderer just sucks sometime, doesn't it?

 
 

 

Perhaps you should rationalize your earlier thoughts now that this piece has been published instead of playing thread victim.  The overwhelming evidence that your prior leniency remains unsupportable should be clear to you.
 

"Thread victim"?  I wasn't complaining about the comment. I was mocking it. 
 
 
This sorta summed up my views on it.
 

 

I'm not sure what I'd have done in Jerry Remy's place, once it became clear that Jared was a screw-up. Do you abandon himn as a son? Not try to set him straight? Not try to get him a job? Not pay for his lawyers?

I just don't know, and I'm don't envy anyone who has to make those kinds of decisions. I'm not comfortable with the decisions Jerry Remy made, but on the other hand I can't point to a single one (of those cited or implied by the Globe article) and say with confidence that I'd have done something else

 

 

 
 
This, too (altho the prosecutors are limited in their ability to get unwilling victims to testify).
 

But save your goddam emails and letters to NESN, and write them to the Court system and the Judges who allowed this to happen.   They had the power to do the right thing, and they, moreso than the next, bougtht the bullsh$t that Remy's paid for lawyers sold.   Remy might have paid for the best bsers, but someone has to buy that.  The Courts and the DAs failed here and bear a far more direct causal burden here.   Getting Remy fired wont cure the systemic failure.   Holding those Judges and DAs responsible will help future victims.
 

 
And (since I am a lawyer) this, too:

Also, the article, while disturbing, is a one sided hatchet job that plays to a lot of common media stereotypes about domestic violence and the court system.  It's well written though - and as rhetoric I admire the craft.  Clearly it provoked a strong response in some people. 
 
But considering it as a piece that offers a "true" picture of how the court system works, it leaves a lot to be desired.  
 

 

 

[Myt1]

Could be worse. He could be a lawyer.

Yeah. Thanks for your contributions to society, Joysticks McGee.

I hate Remy's yuks and general disposition more than the next, and hope he gets canned today for generally sucking and for being a miserable human being.  But save your goddam emails and letters to NESN, and write them to the Court system and the Judges who allowed this to happen.   They had the power to do the right thing, and they, moreso than the next, bougtht the bullsh$t that Remy's paid for lawyers sold.   Remy might have paid for the best bsers, but someone has to buy that.  The Courts and the DAs failed here and bear a far more direct causal burden here.   Getting Remy fired wont cure the systemic failure.   Holding those Judges and DAs responsible will help future victims.   If you want to be outraged, make it productive.  Only when Judges know the eyes of the world are watching are they prevented from "doing a favor" for a celeb.
 
Lowell
 
 
 
 
  Title First Justice Gregory Flynn     Office Mailing Address Waltham District Court
38 Linden Street
Waltham, MA 02452    
 
 
  Title First Justice Neil J. Walker     Office Mailing Address Lowell District Court
41 Hurd Street
Lowell, MA 01852
 
 
MIDDLESEX DISTRICT ATTORNEY
 
Middlesex District Attorney Marian T. Ryan  (Appointed April 2013, so not in office for prior incidents, and only on the job 3 months at time of last arrest/murder)
 
Her predecessor was Martha Coakley from 2006 to 2010
 
General Information
 
Main Phone:   (781) 897-8300
Main Fax:        (781) 897-8301
 
For employment information please follow this link: Employment/Internship Opportunities
Main Office
Office of the Middlesex District Attorney
15 Commonwealth Avenue
Woburn, MA 01801

Main Phone:     (781) 897-8300
Main Fax:          (781) 897-8301
MA Toll Free:    (877) 897-8333
Press Office:    (781) 897-8325
 
 
 

Did you read the article?

 

[Myt1]

This sorta summed up my views on it.
 
 
 
This, too.
 
 
 

No, it didn't. But your posts about how sure you were that that the parents didn't know about other victims are still there for people to read.

 

[JayMags71]

I hate Remy's yuks and general disposition more than the next, and hope he gets canned today for generally sucking and for being a miserable human being.  But save your goddam emails and letters to NESN, and write them to the Court system and the Judges who allowed this to happen.   They had the power to do the right thing, and they, moreso than the next, bougtht the bullsh$t that Remy's paid for lawyers sold.

You're correct that we should be outraged that that we should be outraged at the CJ system for their failure. However, people can direct their outrage at both NESN *and* the CJ system.

 

[joe dokes]

No, it didn't. But your posts about how sure you were that that the parents didn't know about other victims are still there for people to read.

 
I didn't think I said that.  I looked at my posts on the subject.   The one closest to your description is probably this one:
 
http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/81580-remy-returning-to-the-booth/?p=5238336
 
Here's what I said:

What I *did* say is that given how *this* intervention worked out, if there had been *other* similar "please dont get our boy in trouble" interventions by the parents  (i.e. "if THEY'D done it before"), the victims in those other incidents would be crawling out of the woodwork to tell about it once the guy killed someone. ("Remy's parents often tried to stop victims from charging Son, victims say"). 
 

 
I dont think I was talking about whether his parents were aware of any other victims. It was whether they -- as Phoebe Remy did with Martell -- tried to get them to back off.
And wouldn'tcha know it.....now there's a story in the Globe with details (i.e., victims coming out of the woodwork)  And, unless I missed something, the only "interventions" before this (other than hiring the lawyer, which i think is different but I understand others might disagree) is this:
 
 

Guyette said she escaped at a railroad crossing and ran to the Remy home, where she told Phoebe what had happened and wanted to report the incident to police. She said Phoebe offered to let her take refuge in a basement bedroom, and neither contacted authorities.
 

 
and
 

Phoebe Remy witnessed the fight and told police Guyette had hit back, the report said. But police charged only Jared, arresting him on charges of domestic assault and malicious destruction of property.

 

   

I also said This:
 

So, yeah, I really can't say whether its likely that in other instances of him beating up women, that his parents: a) knew about it; and b)contacted the victim and said "please dont press charges or get a restraining order."  Considering what we *do* know about this type of violence -- that even without the pleas of the perpetrator's parents, victims often refuse to press charges -- it's is at least as likely that that's what happened on those other, assumed-to-exist occasions, as opposed to the victims stepping back as the result of the parents' pleas.  

 
 

Could be because I'm not willing to assume to quite the same extent as you are; especially when there are countervailing factors -- like lots and lots and lots of similar victims are influenced by factors other than the perp's parents. 
 

 
And based on the story in the Globe, it looks there were some other factors.
 
As for whether Buddin's comments are in line with my thoughts, I posted this early on:

It could be that my unwillingness to go all in on the Remy-responsibility side is just a bit of "there but for the grace of God go I." I sit here and think, "Here's how I hope I would react in this unfathomable situation," but I can't honestly say that that hope bears any semblance to what I would actually do, given the unfathomability of anything remotely similar.

 
 
And this in response to whether he should go back to NESN

I try to think of this in terms of what would I do if I was in a similar circumstance. This isn't like finding a wallet with cash in it, where 99% of us would return bring it to the cops or whoever and not fuck with the money.
Would I go back to work? Would I just kill myself? I dont know. I am crippled by not sharing your sense of moral certitude, I guess.
 

 
And in repsonse to this:

The point isn't so much what they did between violent crimes 1-9, it's the fact that after #9 the first thing on their mind was begging the Martell's not to extend the RO. The priorities displayed in that instance are, IMO, horrifying.
 

 
I said this:

That, as they say, is a horse of a different color from how I interpreted some of your other posts. And on this point I agree.
Of everything we actually know, that's the only thing that troubles me. That I can understand how and why it happens doesn't mean I think it was the right thing to do; or that I might not be tempted to do the same thing. Denial of our children's faults, failures, mistakes and worse is a powerful force.
 

 

[Judge Mental13]

I can't really write as much as I'd like about this.   
 
I did want to note in passing that there seems to be a sort of dissonance in how people view this situation vis a vis Jerry.  
 
Also, the article, while disturbing, is a one sided hatchet job that plays to a lot of common media stereotypes about domestic violence and the court system.  It's well written though - and as rhetoric I admire the craft.  Clearly it provoked a strong response in some people. 
 
But considering it as a piece that offers a "true" picture of how the court system works, it leaves a lot to be desired.  

 
What side is not being represented correctly?

 

[Reverend]

Other factors?

 

[Blacken]

Yeah. Thanks for your contributions to society, Joysticks McGee.

There are around two thousand physicians using the stuff we built at my last gig, seeing around ten thousand patients per day. So thank you and you're welcome, counselor! 

(But it was a joke, son, a joke. Do we need to hug it out?)
 

I hate Remy's yuks and general disposition more than the next, and hope he gets canned today for generally sucking and for being a miserable human being.  But save your goddam emails and letters to NESN, and write them to the Court system and the Judges who allowed this to happen.   They had the power to do the right thing, and they, moreso than the next, bougtht the bullsh$t that Remy's paid for lawyers sold.   Remy might have paid for the best bsers, but someone has to buy that.  The Courts and the DAs failed here and bear a far more direct causal burden here.   Getting Remy fired wont cure the systemic failure.   Holding those Judges and DAs responsible will help future victims.   If you want to be outraged, make it productive.  Only when Judges know the eyes of the world are watching are they prevented from "doing a favor" for a celeb.

I've heard, phrased nearly identically, this so many times in the last couple days from people so suspiciously congruent with your political views that I'm curious where this has been seeded.

 

[Myt1]

(But it was a joke, son, a joke. Do we need to hug it out?)

Should I have added an emoticon? I thought "Joysticks McGee" was pretty well done.

 

[Steve Dillard]

I've heard, phrased nearly identically, this so many times in the last couple days from people so suspiciously congruent with your political views that I'm curious where this has been seeded.

 
 
Really?  I don't see where accountability is a political issue -- I'm curious as to why you attribute that only to liberals.  The best way to disinfect the scourge of entitlement is to shine the light on it, and if these Judges and DAs (and my wife is a former DA) didn't hold Remy accountable, they bear a far more direct responsibility than Jerry Remy.   The psychology of attributing this Jerry and his enabling is an interesting question, but that's focusing on a more remote cause rather than the direct problems identified in this article.  Whether the Judge failed to do his job because of Remy's celebrity, or this lieniency is a general view on domestic violence, the best way to ensure this doesn't happen again is to identify the decisions publicly, and let the Judges bear the burden of their decisions.

 

[Brohamer of the Gods]

It will probably be more effective to send your letters to the sponsors of Res Sox broadcasts on NESN to explain why you will not be watching anymore.

 

[Myt1]

I could not possibly disagree with your analysis of causation more.

People are convicted of violent crimes all the time and commit additional violent crimes when they leave prison, even if sentenced to long terms. The causation for what they are happened long before they ended up in front of the judiciary that gets 3% of the state budget.

 

[Steve Dillard]

I wholeheartedly agree that Jerry and wife bear a huge responsibility for how Jared and his kin turned out.  I think that speaks for itself, and I'm not against canning Remy for being an idiot and a weak moral being (I'm always happy to be judgmental).  But your conclusion seems to be that after this there is nothing that can be done, even jail.  That may be true, but the conclusion is not that the Court system therefore shouldn't try.  At a minimum it removes the threat for a period and allows the victim time to get free (like his two prior girlfriends).   
 
And Myt, I tend to agree that this ingrained evil is exceedingly impossible to prevent -- but to carry that to a logical extension, once you go down the road of trying to place blame, that view puts you and me in the uncomfortable position of putting a bit of blame on the victims who willingly elect to establish relationships with such animals.  As my wife reminds me, they may not have known early on about his past, but they still had a choice to make long before these matters escalated.  My way of dealing with that uncomfortable position is to say that the Courts and DA have laws to provide some protection, even if the victims don't want to be helped.   They failed to do their job.  Whether this would have happened even if they did their job, we can only speculate.

 

[Guapos Toenails]

Put me down as someone also that thinks Jerry should leave.  Just sickening. 

 

[Rovin Romine]

 
What side is not being represented correctly?

 
Perhaps reality's side?
 
The piece strongly suggests a grave miscarriage of justice or a broken system by its selective fact picking.  A reader might easily be left with the impression of incompetent or corrupt or uninformed judges, prosecutors, and defense attorneys.  It concerns me because articles like this prey on the emotions of readers who can easily see a wrong - a young woman murdered - but then conflates that wrong with the court system or the law.  Often articles like this form the backbone of a public opinion that "something needs to be changed."  And all too often the ultimate result is some idiotic change in the law to "fix" a non existent problem which results in drastic and unforeseen consequences at the cost of not addressing the root causes of the original injustice. 
 
For example, one of the assumptions that underlies the piece is that information could have been shared among all parties - that's not the case for both practical and sound legal reasons.   The courts don't have a comprehensive "permanent file" on people.  The court only deals with the specific allegations which are actually before them, but will take other factors, good and bad, into account if there's a sentencing.  (Thank God for that - otherwise you'd rehash everything that got raised in a divorce or elementary school record whenever you got a ticket.)  
 
Also, in reality, any specific allegation in front of a court might be flawed.  The "failure" of any one of them might be laid at the feet of an incompetent prosecutor, an unwilling witness, or an actually ambiguous situation that can't really be proven one way or another.  The greater failure to address Jared's red flags might be laid at the feet of Jared's biological condition, Jared's refusal to take medications, Jared's use of steroids, friends or family who enabled him, or caused him to fear taking medication, or failed to challenge his behavior, etc. - but the ultimate responsibility, no matter how he might have sought to abrogate it through his approach to life, lies with Jared himself.  Emotionally that's not very satisfying. 
 
Another problem with the article is the very selective reportage of the incidents themselves.  For example the "he assaulted someone with a beer bottle at the junkyard" bit - look at the actual document on the globe site and you'll find it's much more gray than that.  
 
Then there's the issue that it seems like this reporter got all the court documents he could and then interviewed the people he could find about them.  Those interviews come after the fact that Jared's widely seen (and probably correctly seen) to be a murderer, add additional detail beyond what's in the documents, and can't effectively be challenged, given that Remy is incarcerated and won't be speaking about these things.  For example the teen who was found with brain damage - it's made to seem like Jared did it (and it seems he's culpable if the facts are true), but where's the solid information regarding who was involved or the damage that was done by Jared himself?  Where's the outrage on the part of the reporter that a group of kids attacked someone?  And why even include that in an article that suggest there's been a lack of oversight?  It clearly wasn't reported to any authority, and Jared's social circle thus seemed to validate the act on some level.  Including the nice girl that gave the reporter such salacious details.  And beat the kid herself.  And so might have given him brain damage all by herself.  But we'll gloss over that. 
 
Please understand that it seems very likely to me that Jared has mental/emotional issues, that his use of steroids exacerbated them, that he's a chronic batterer, that he fixates on his "romantic" relationships with women, and that he probably has a large sense of entitlement.   I think the murder of Martel is horrible.   Please also understand that I don't think the court system if perfect, but that I also think the court system may not be able to prevent these sort of things even if it were made perfect.  Violence against women is a larger societal issue and can really only be addressed as such.  (Drunk driving is a good parallel, and I believe we've discussed it before.)
 
I just dislike it when rhetoric gets employed like this to no good end.  Does anyone not think Jared is fucked up?  Does anyone not think he murdered Martel?  So why the article?  Where does the finger of culpability "point?" Honestly, it points at all of us.  Failure to spend tax dollars on identifying and helping emotionally disturbed kids.  Glorification of athletes.  Failure to condemn steroid use.  Tolerance of misogyny (in all it's subtle and overt forms).  
 
But instead discussing this, the article has gotten people to want to call a judge and blindly criticize them over a decision they know little or nothing about.   Sometimes a situation is fucked up because we've all enabled it to happen in some way.  Sometimes there's no single fix for it, such as blaming any single factor - parents, drugs, a culture of violence, etc.   

 

[rundugrun]

As a dad, I would have completely cut off my son from any any assistance (cash, lawyers, bail money, cars, jobs) about 15 years ago. I will venture to say that without Daddy providing a top defense attorney, Jared would have ended up in jail and Martel would still be alive since she never would have met Jared.

 

[Myt1]

I wholeheartedly agree that Jerry and wife bear a huge responsibility for how Jared and his kin turned out.  I think that speaks for itself, and I'm not against canning Remy for being an idiot and a weak moral being (I'm always happy to be judgmental).  But your conclusion seems to be that after this there is nothing that can be done, even jail.  That may be true, but the conclusion is not that the Court system therefore shouldn't try.  At a minimum it removes the threat for a period and allows the victim time to get free (like his two prior girlfriends).   
 
And Myt, I tend to agree that this ingrained evil is exceedingly impossible to prevent -- but to carry that to a logical extension, once you go down the road of trying to place blame, that view puts you and me in the uncomfortable position of putting a bit of blame on the victims who willingly elect to establish relationships with such animals.  As my wife reminds me, they may not have known early on about his past, but they still had a choice to make long before these matters escalated.  My way of dealing with that uncomfortable position is to say that the Courts and DA have laws to provide some protection, even if the victims don't want to be helped.   They failed to do their job.  Whether this would have happened even if they did their job, we can only speculate.

It's really hard to convict someone, especially if witnesses don't want to cooperate. More than that, assault and battery carries a max sentence of 2.5 years in jail.

I guess I'm asking for a description of what should have happened here as far as the criminal justice system is concerned. To the extent that the protections aren't sufficient, the building with the golden dome seems more to blame.

 

[Rovin Romine]

I wholeheartedly agree that Jerry and wife bear a huge responsibility for how Jared and his kin turned out.  I think that speaks for itself, and I'm not against canning Remy for being an idiot and a weak moral being (I'm always happy to be judgmental).  But your conclusion seems to be that after this there is nothing that can be done, even jail.  That may be true, but the conclusion is not that the Court system therefore shouldn't try.  At a minimum it removes the threat for a period and allows the victim time to get free (like his two prior girlfriends).   
 
And Myt, I tend to agree that this ingrained evil is exceedingly impossible to prevent -- but to carry that to a logical extension, once you go down the road of trying to place blame, that view puts you and me in the uncomfortable position of putting a bit of blame on the victims who willingly elect to establish relationships with such animals.  As my wife reminds me, they may not have known early on about his past, but they still had a choice to make long before these matters escalated.  My way of dealing with that uncomfortable position is to say that the Courts and DA have laws to provide some protection, even if the victims don't want to be helped.   They failed to do their job.  Whether this would have happened even if they did their job, we can only speculate.

 
Steve, while I respect the emotion that drives your sentiment, I don't think you could be more wrong.   See my above post.  My most concise way to state it is that it's not the court's problem, it's ours, collectively.  
 
There's a lot more gray in the level of culpability one could assign to Jerry Remy, and I think reasonable minds can differ.  Mostly I guess it depends on how much control you think outside factors have on an individual.  IF parents control absolutely, then yes, there's huge culpability.  But there's also an argument that people have innate characteristics that no amount of parenting can change or erase.  There's another argument that while parents influence, peers and society in general influence just as much if not more.  (And I have seen people who have good parents go bad, and, more rarely, people who have despicable parents become good people.)

 

[Doctor G]

 
 
Really?  I don't see where accountability is a political issue -- I'm curious as to why you attribute that only to liberals.  The best way to disinfect the scourge of entitlement is to shine the light on it, and if these Judges and DAs (and my wife is a former DA) didn't hold Remy accountable, they bear a far more direct responsibility than Jerry Remy.   The psychology of attributing this Jerry and his enabling is an interesting question, but that's focusing on a more remote cause rather than the direct problems identified in this article.  Whether the Judge failed to do his job because of Remy's celebrity, or this lieniency is a general view on domestic violence, the best way to ensure this doesn't happen again is to identify the decisions publicly, and let the Judges bear the burden of their decisions.

When the Probation Department is filled with friends and relatives and offspring of influential politicians the public suffers as the beneficiaries of a selection process based on who you know or who you are related to  are likely to continue the process as a decision making method. There are qualified persons who are trained in sociology and criminal justice who would  fill these jobs owing no favors from day one.
To me this isn't about politics, it is about competency and protecting the public. 

 

[jcd0805]

I think the most galling example was the judge who sent him to live with his parents, with a CURFEW, as punishment.  At 24 years old. Sorry, that's lame and three's really no excuse for that kind of "justice".