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I wonder what Jennifer Martel's family is thinking after reading this quote from RemDawg himself:
 
 
“What occurred in August 2013 took my family by complete surprise. We loved Jennifer and treated her as if she was our own daughter.”
 
Holy shit. Denial, River, Egypt.
 

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Some of his sentences were to go home and live with his parents?  Find and keep a job?  Continue without a finding?  What a joke.  The whole system has blood on their hands. Its infuriating.
 
NESN needs to make the decision for Jerry and get him out.  Give Eck what he wants, and if he refuses to still do away games, then just get a rotation of other guys.  Maybe it's not that easy, but I don't see how anyone can think it's ok for him to still be in the booth.  
 

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"But he continued to walk, with judges extending his probation or finding creative solutions to help him avoid jail, like ordering him to move home with his parents and observe a curfew "
 
I can see why the murder was a shock to the Remy's.  They had already lowered his curfew to 11:00 PM.  Hard to believe that didn't prevent incident number 21.
 

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Just finished that read, holy shit. The judges who continued to let him go should be ashamed.

I was in the camp that I didn't care if it affected Jerry's job but I'm in the camp now I'd rather see him gone. Red Sox ownership allowing Jared employment after all that is just as bad. Family friendly Fenway etc. Americas most beloved ballpark and they hire that monster because it's Jerry's kid?
 

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Is Remy going to go into hiding every time there is more news about Jared? Pathetic.

https://mobile.twitter.com/bruceallen/status/447709935040987136
 
They had announced his time off before the article came out  . . . but they may have known the article came out.
 
Son of a friend wrote the article.  Not long ago he was begging to play in our "Men's Sunday Softball Game".  Nicely done, Eric
 

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I guess we now know why the Sox continue to employ Jerry considering they were complicit in some of this mess by giving Jared a job despite all the alarms.
 

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They had announced his time off before the article came out  . . . but they may have known the article came out.
 
Son of a friend wrote the article.  Not long ago he was begging to play in our "Men's Sunday Softball Game".  Nicely done, Eric
 
Considering Remy released a statement in regard to the article, he knew it was coming.
 

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I find it interesting that Jerry's boss -- John Henry -- published such a piece of journalistic indictment in his paper. I would imagine he had no choice if he wanted to maintain credibility among the staff of The Globe.
 
I have not seen any evidence that indicates that John Henry is actively involved with the day-to-day management of the Globe or has any involvement in editorial decisions.  To the contrary, it can be reasonably inferred from news coverage that Henry took over the Globe not because he wanted to have anything to do with running the paper, but because he is a savvy investor who realized that there was a real estate play that would minimize his downside risk while allowing him to position himself as the savior of a local institution.  If the operations subsequently turns around, he scores a big win on two fronts.
 
The point being that I find it very unlikely that Henry had any involvement in the decision to publish this story, with the possible exception that the managing editor may have alerted him prior to publication so that Henry was not blindsided. (And if this did happen, Henry declined to stop it.)
 

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It's tremendous journalism, but sickening to read. Words cannot express my loathing for how badly Jerry Remy and his wife enabled their monster of a son. I can't listen to him on a Red Sox broadcast and I just sort of hope he goes away from now on. Go and spend the rest of your life sitting in a dark room reflecting on what a miserable failure of a father you are.

What was most gut-wrenching was how many people's lives that monster has negatively affected besides Jenn Martel. That poor boy who was friends with his girlfriend certainly had his life ruined and likely ended early due, in part, to Remy will not be talked about enough.
 

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Sickening, but sadly unsurprising, to read that story. The thing that sticks with me is that the Remys are fighting the Martels for custody of the granddaughter. No way in hell should the Remys be given custody of that little girl. I had never heard the story of their other son harassing a woman at the bar and following her home and groping her.  
 

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They enabled their monsters of children, not just their monster of a son. That's the thing. If this was just one kid that was always the problem child and they didn't know what to do or who to turn to for help or how to balance it with Remy's fame and constant travel, I guess I would be more sympathetic. But they're all entitled sociopaths. The "good children" are assaulting women or breaking into their spouses homes and assaulting police.
 
I find it hard to believe that all three kids didn't have a model for abuse. Who knows if it's Remy, maybe it's his wife. But I can't imagine growing up without learning never to lay a finger on women. Obviously, no one gave these kids that lesson.
 

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Among everything else, I'm pretty appalled the Red Sox employed him not only in the first place but also after he got out of jail in 06. Or do they give ex-offenders with a history of violent crime jobs regularly?
 
I mean, what is the motivation? Is Jerry going to quit if they refuse to give Jared a job? Imagine if they signed a player with this kind of history, even to a minor league deal. 
 
There are people who can't get any job, anywhere based on nothing more than being caught years ago with an eighth of weed or a vial of crack. And this guy not only gets a job with a local institution, but gets the job back after going to jail for months and pleading guilty to breaking a woman's nose? 
 
Edit: Not to mention, what finally got him fired was being caught with steroids. Talk about misplaced priorities.
 

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Yeah, rules are different when your white, rich, and your dad is famous. NESN needs to can Remy. Baseball is an escape. No need to carry this kind of baggage into a broadcast.
 
Remy was on EEI about a month ago. Saying he wants custody of his granddaughter. Really.
 

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Yeah, rules are different when your white, rich, and your dad is famous. NESN needs to can Remy. Baseball is an escape. No need to carry this kind of baggage into a broadcast.
 
Remy was on EEI about a month ago. Saying he wants custody of his granddaughter. Really.
I cannot even begin to think about why he feels he should have custody of this little girl. The Remy's are 3-3 in raising shitty kids.  One is an absolute monster and the other 2 seem to be pretty terrible people too.  Why even subject this young girl to that environment?
 
Hopefully a judge and/or GAL do the right thing and keep this little girl with her maternal family.  
 

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Did NESN not see a day like today coming? Do they not realize that more stories like this are inevitable as the case gets closer to trial? I am dumbfounded that they allowed him back in the first place.
 

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Did NESN not see a day like today coming? Do they not realize that more stories like this are inevitable as the case gets closer to trial? I am dumbfounded that they allowed him back in the first place.
And it's not like Remy is a LHP with good control and excellent velocity. He's fine in the booth. When he wants to be, he's a good analyst, however, he's far from irreplaceable.

But this is a network that airs 15 hours of John Dennis a week.
 

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Did anybody feel it was really scummy of the Remy family to launch a custody grab for their scummy son when the mom of his first kid was in an abusive relationship? The article gave me the impression that their concern wasn't helping out the mother of their granddaughter, but seeing it as a perfect time to strike and feed the insatiable needs of their demon child a bit more.
 

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That's a sickening read. Great reporting, but sickening nonetheless. What a shameful display of family practices, judicial system shenanigans and scared acquaintances.
 

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I'm not sure what I'd have done in Jerry Remy's place, once it became clear that Jared was a screw-up. Do you abandon himn as a son? Not try to set him straight? Not try to get him a job? Not pay for his lawyers?

I just don't know, and I'm don't envy anyone who has to make those kinds of decisions. I'm not comfortable with the decisions Jerry Remy made, but on the other hand I can't point to a single one (of those cited or implied by the Globe article) and say with confidence that I'd have done something else
 

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It was a month ago, but I recall listening to the EEI interview, and thinking Remy is back because he needs the money. He may have even said as much.

Henry needs to give the order to someone at NESN to immediately pull Remy aside and give him the opportunity to quit to be with his family. If he declines then he should be fired.
 

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It was a month ago, but I recall listening to the EEI interview, and thinking Remy is back because he needs the money. He may have even said as much.

Henry needs to give the order to someone at NESN to immediately pull Remy aside and give him the opportunity to quit to be with his family. If he declines then he should be fired.
 
Something I had not considered which my wife brought up was that his NESN salary is paying for his vile son's lawyer. Fuck that - can him. 
 

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Did anybody feel it was really scummy of the Remy family to launch a custody grab for their scummy son when the mom of his first kid was in an abusive relationship? The article gave me the impression that their concern wasn't helping out the mother of their granddaughter, but seeing it as a perfect time to strike and feed the insatiable needs of their demon child a bit more.
It shows me a window into the motivation into the actions and thinking of the Remy's, which was purely selfish and unconcerned for the safety and well-being of their grandchild and his mother.  All they wanted was to keep them in their lives instead of recognizing that they would be better off being FAR away from the family.
 

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I'm not sure what I'd have done in Jerry Remy's place, once it became clear that Jared was a screw-up. Do you abandon himn as a son? Not try to set him straight? Not try to get him a job? Not pay for his lawyers?

I just don't know, and I'm don't envy anyone who has to make those kinds of decisions. I'm not comfortable with the decisions Jerry Remy made, but on the other hand I can't point to a single one (of those cited or implied by the Globe article) and say with confidence that I'd have done something else
 
As a parent, I'd think you get to a point where your grown adult child is responsible for his own actions and needs to save his own bacon.  OTOH, that may still be the case and if you care enough, you still do whatever you can to help them.  I wonder if that  is what the Remy's felt they were doing, but basically doing so with blinders on (as parents might).  Or, if they were just selfish and concerned with their public image.
 

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Among everything else, I'm pretty appalled the Red Sox employed him not only in the first place but also after he got out of jail in 06. Or do they give ex-offenders with a history of violent crime jobs regularly?
Yup, and yet they knew enough not to put this guy who terrorizes and hurts women too near the crowds:

e soon materialized as a security guard at Fenway Park, three other guards recalled. Instead of assigning him to crowd control at games, the Red Sox placed Remy on quiet day shifts, signing for packages and checking bags of fans touring the ballpark.
Why even help him out in the first place?
 

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Something I had not considered which my wife brought up was that his NESN salary is paying for his vile son's lawyer. Fuck that - can him. 
 
Your wife is astute.
 
 
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I think I might be done with NESN until he's off the broadcasts.
 
Radio only.
 
Perhaps for not unrelated reasons, Remy is totally on today and focused on the actual game and explaining what is going on with the actual baseball.
 
This may be the best I've ever heard out him. There's a really fucked irony here.
 

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I'm not sure what I'd have done in Jerry Remy's place, once it became clear that Jared was a screw-up. Do you abandon himn as a son? Not try to set him straight? Not try to get him a job? Not pay for his lawyers?

I just don't know, and I'm don't envy anyone who has to make those kinds of decisions. I'm not comfortable with the decisions Jerry Remy made, but on the other hand I can't point to a single one (of those cited or implied by the Globe article) and say with confidence that I'd have done something else
 
What was striking in the article was how, with practically everybody else begging for there to be some consequences for his actions, Jerry and Phoebe Remy stepped in and prevented that from happening. Having Jared stand in the corner after he broke a girlfriend's nose might be more discipline than what actually happened. 
 

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Yup, and yet they knew enough not to put this guy who terrorizes and hurts women too near the crowds:


Why even help him out in the first place?
I wonder how they would have explained things if he had overreacted and beaten up a fan who mouthed off to him or something, even if his role was limited to off-peak times. Doesn't seem worth the risk at all, and for what? To keep Remy happy? Again, it's not like Remy holds the same cachet with another club. The Sox have the leverage and it's embarrassing they gave him a job at all and kept him on for so long.
 

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One thing I noticed was that on August 16th the Globe reported that Martel's mother said Jennifer did not extend the restraining order at the request of the Remy family, this recent article doesn't follow up much on that if at all. 
 

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Yeah, rules are different when your white, rich, and your dad is famous. NESN needs to can Remy. Baseball is an escape. No need to carry this kind of baggage into a broadcast.
 
Remy was on EEI about a month ago. Saying he wants custody of his granddaughter. Really.
Just read the Globe story and I'm confused about the custody of Jared's child with Guyette. Who is raising the boy? What a sad, awful story.
 
(Guyette lost custody in 2007, after the Remys prevailed in a second case, brought at a time Guyette was in another abusive relationship.)
 

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When Remy announced that he was going to continue in the booth this season there he did a few interviews where he seemed genuinely heartbroken over this, all but called his kid a murderer and questioned if he could or should have done things differently. If I had one question to ask Jerry it would be this.....If you truly feel this way, why are you paying his legal fees? (Assuming that he is) What's the reason? What is the desired outcome? Wash your hands of him and tell your other two kids to take notice. Maybe you can make a difference in their lives or those surrounding them by finally taking a stand.
 

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Such a good read, such an awful read. Remy rightly gets a lot of blame but the judges should be considered morally culpable as well. The system is set up to allow over-protective parents to do whatever it takes to support their children, and it's the judges' responsibility to do what's in the best interests of society.
 

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No doubt that Remy killed the mother of his child, but after reading this I can only wonder how many people have the blood of Jen Martel on their hands. I'm interested in knowing how many different judges let this animal walk free as his "resume" grew. And of those, how many released him on more than one occasion? And of those, how many times? And his lawyer...yeah I get that it his job to defend his client, but that man clearly has no conscience considering how many times he was called to defend Remy and his trail of violent crimes. Nice how he boasts of being a former prosecutor and knowing "all of the tricks in the book".  
 
 
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Such a good read, such an awful read. Remy rightly gets a lot of blame but the judges should be considered morally culpable as well. The system is set up to allow over-protective parents to do whatever it takes to support their children, and it's the judges' responsibility to do what's in the best interests of society.
 
We're thinking along the same line. Plenty of blame to go around here from the defendant, his enablers, the lawyers, etc.....but the judges have the public's trust and the legal obligation to uphold the laws of the land. I understand and expect judges will use a certain amount of leniency depending on the crime and circumstances, but Jared Remy is a volatile person, no stranger to a court of law and was repeatedly shown little to no consequences for his actions which in turn fed his ego and further twisted his personality.
 

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This is so bad, it's almost petition-worthy. Depressingly, the Sox themselves seem to bear a ton of responsibility for enabling this guy.
 

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Based on today's Sox broadcast, doesn't sound like Jerry has any plans to step down.  He spent some time discussing having to practice some on-camera stuff for the regular season broadcasts back north.
 

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Based on today's Sox broadcast, doesn't sound like Jerry has any plans to step down.  He spent some time discussing having to practice some on-camera stuff for the regular season broadcasts back north.
 
It may be good practice for him on the witness stand as well. I'm not sure if the trial will be on NESN or NESN+ though.
 

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I don't see how the defense lawyer(s) are to blame for doing their very important job in giving Jared fair representation. This disaster is squarely on Jared, his parents plus other enablers like the Sox, the judges, the law as a whole, and perhaps the prosecutors (not enough information on how well or not well they did their jobs).
 

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This is so bad, it's almost petition-worthy. Depressingly, the Sox themselves seem to bear a ton of responsibility for enabling this guy.
 
I have already emailed the Sox and tweeted at them calling for Remy to be removed from the booth. I know others who have done this as well. Ratings will probably remain high as long as the Red Sox are playing well. So, really the only way to get rid of him at this point is to turn this into a PR issue.
 

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I don't see how the defense lawyer(s) are to blame for doing their very important job in giving Jared fair representation. This disaster is squarely on Jared, his parents plus other enablers like the Sox, the judges, the law as a whole, and perhaps the prosecutors (not enough information on how well or not well they did their jobs).
Guessing this refers to my post a bit up thread. If so, I didn't specify the defense lawyers and probably should have done a better job stating that. Hard to believe that the prosecutors and staff have such an incredibly low batting average when it comes to Jared Remy. I understand the judge sets the sentence (lame as it was when there was one to be set), but I wonder how often the prosecutors may have been in agreement to any plea deals that may have been offered.  
 

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I'm not sure what I'd have done in Jerry Remy's place, once it became clear that Jared was a screw-up. Do you abandon himn as a son? Not try to set him straight? Not try to get him a job? Not pay for his lawyers?

I just don't know, and I'm don't envy anyone who has to make those kinds of decisions. I'm not comfortable with the decisions Jerry Remy made, but on the other hand I can't point to a single one (of those cited or implied by the Globe article) and say with confidence that I'd have done something else
 
BUffalo Head thinks you should go to prison and share a cell with Jerry and me.
 

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Guessing this refers to my post a bit up thread. If so, I didn't specify the defense lawyers and probably should have done a better job stating that. Hard to believe that the prosecutors and staff have such an incredibly low batting average when it comes to Jared Remy. I understand the judge sets the sentence (lame as it was when there was one to be set), but I wonder how often the prosecutors may have been in agreement to any plea deals that may have been offered.  
According to the article, not often. Continuances were granted prior to any arguments really being presented often times. Hard to fault the prosecution if they aren't even given a chance to present a case.
 

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As harrowing as the details in that article are, particularly the description of Martel's murder, it doesn't really change anything. We, and NESN, and the Red Sox, already knew Remy's kid was a subhuman who is pretty much undoubtedly guilty of murder, and Jerry still decided to and was allowed to come back. Again, as bad as it is, I didn't read that and say, "Man, this is worse than I thought." It's pretty much what you'd expect. I think it's fair to question Remy's employers for letting him back to begin with but to say, "Well after THIS they have to fire him" is kinda silly.
 

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As harrowing as the details in that article are, particularly the description of Martel's murder, it doesn't really change anything. We, and NESN, and the Red Sox, already knew Remy's kid was a subhuman who is pretty much undoubtedly guilty of murder, and Jerry still decided to and was allowed to come back. Again, as bad as it is, I didn't read that and say, "Man, this is worse than I thought." It's pretty much what you'd expect. I think it's fair to question Remy's employers for letting him back to begin with but to say, "Well after THIS they have to fire him" is kinda silly.
 
Is it? Most people had an idea that Jarrod had a history and Jerry and family helped him get out of it, but most people didn't understand it was this long and this bad. I was in the camp before of "whatever, let him stay" but after going into pages of detail how much of a monster he was and how many times Jerry financed his defenses and possibly more, I've hit my limit.
 
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I mean, I assumed he didn't get off all those other times by defending himself and using his tremendous wit and charm.
 

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Is it? Most people had an idea that Jarrod had a history and Jerry and family helped him get out of it, but most people didn't understand it was this long and this bad. I was in the camp before of "whatever, let him stay" but after going into pages of detail how much of a monster he was and how many times Jerry financed his defenses and possibly more, I've hit my limit.
 
Sometimes it's not the destination, but the journey.
 
Yeah, this.
 
Previously, I was of the opinion that you can't really blame a parent for helping their kid out, even when the kid is an adult and should be responsible for themselves. It's not like they stop being your kid. But there are limits. If your kid is repeatedly violent with multiple girlfriends after multiple second and third and fourth and fifth and good god howmany chances does this guy get? Well, at some point, don't you have to tell him that you're going to help him if he wants to get help? You'll help pay for whatever therapy or counseling. You'll help pay for day care for the kid so he can get a job. You'll help pay for anything that indicates he's trying to be a constructive member of society.
 
But you're not posting bail and you're not paying for defense attorneys.