Red Sox trade Mickey Gasper to Twins for Jovani Moran

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Craig actually cooked here - arm that actually has a chance at make the opening 26, probably up & down the shuttle a lot, for a AAAA player
 

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He does not, he was non-tendered and resigned to a minor league contract last off-season.
Interesting.

Breslow is meticulous, you gotta give him that. The Booser and Gasper trades are only done by a front office that never stops working. The opposite of lazy.
 

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I wonder if Twins broadcast will have his parents on Zoom as he tries for his first MLB hit
 

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Another pitcher that already was walking a ton of guys, and now comes off of TJ where control is the last aspect of their games expected to return. I like most of what Bres has done, but really starting to think he thinks lack of strike zone control is the new market inefficiency, and I'm not sure it works like that. Tough to find guys who walk a lot suddenly finding the zone, and after those guys go thru TJ that list gets even shorter...

But it's for Micky Gasper and opens up a 26 man spot. Not gonna complain about the move, even if it a likely fail...
 

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Interesting.

Breslow is meticulous, you gotta give him that. The Booser and Gasper trades are only done by a front office that never stops working. The opposite of lazy.
It's refreshing to be honest, we basically turned Cam Booser and Mickey Gasper, who are both on the edge of the roster, into a lottery ticket and a non-roster LHP with recent elite success (177 ERA+ in 2022) who are both controllable for multiple years. We still have a few guys who are on the edge of the 40 man too (Shugart, Sogard, Murphy, Bernardino) that could be jettisoned for upgrades.
 

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Another pitcher that already was walking a ton of guys, and now comes off of TJ where control is the last aspect of their games expected to return. I like most of what Bres has done, but really starting to think he thinks lack of strike zone control is the new market inefficiency, and I'm not sure it works like that. Tough to find guys who walk a lot suddenly finding the zone, and after those guys go thru TJ that list gets even shorter...

But it's for Micky Gasper and opens up a 26 man spot. Not gonna complain about the move, even if it a likely fail...
The high walk rates they have targeted are interesting to me too especially when keeping in mind what Bailey was quoted as saying last offseason that, control IN THE ZONE was his most important attribute in a pitcher.
 

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Another pitcher that already was walking a ton of guys, and now comes off of TJ where control is the last aspect of their games expected to return. I like most of what Bres has done, but really starting to think he thinks lack of strike zone control is the new market inefficiency, and I'm not sure it works like that. Tough to find guys who walk a lot suddenly finding the zone, and after those guys go thru TJ that list gets even shorter...

But it's for Micky Gasper and opens up a 26 man spot. Not gonna complain about the move, even if it a likely fail...
If he threw nothing but strikes, we wouldn't be getting him for Mickey Gasper.
 

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Among non-pitchers, Mickey Gasper has the 3rd most plate appearances among players who have never gotten a hit in their career. In his first game of next season, he could legitimately move into first place on the all time list, as he is only 4 behind Larry Littleton.
 

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I like this trade a lot. Moran has the chance to be a stud if he returns to form and can gain even a semblance of control.
 

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I'm remembering when Breslow said that he values pitchers who can get whiffs on pitches in the zone.

Here are the best pitchers at doing that over 2023-24 (min. 40 innings, a group that includes 596 pitchers overall):

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He's acquired 3 of the top 26 of them this offseason.
 

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I'm remembering when Breslow said that he values pitchers who can get whiffs on pitches in the zone.

Here are the best pitchers at doing that over 2023-24 (min. 40 innings, a group that includes 596 pitchers overall):

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He's acquired 3 of the top 26 of them this offseason.
Great pull. Makes me think they are way in on Yates. He’s always been up there for me because I think a high AAV 1 year deal would get him.
 

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Yankees have acquired two guys there this winter too, Williams and Cruz, funny. Still a few of those guys out there now too…
 

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From that list, Scott, Yates, Kahnle and Stanek are all currently still FAs.
 

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Can't have enough pitching, but our cup runneth over.

Leaning into what Breslow/Bailey do best is the right strategy.

Yates would be a nice final piece.
 

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Among non-pitchers, Mickey Gasper has the 3rd most plate appearances among players who have never gotten a hit in their career. In his first game of next season, he could legitimately move into first place on the all time list, as he is only 4 behind Larry Littleton.
That is not a record you want to hold. That's like being the pitcher to face the most batters without recording an out.
 

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That is not a record you want to hold. That's like being the pitcher to face the most batters without recording an out.
Willie Mays didn't get a hit until his 15th PA (a HR off Warren Spahn) on his way to a 1 of his 1st 32. "It's nice to be mentioned in the same sentence as Willie Mays," Gasper should say sometime soon.
 

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Among non-pitchers, Mickey Gasper has the 3rd most plate appearances among players who have never gotten a hit in their career. In his first game of next season, he could legitimately move into first place on the all time list, as he is only 4 behind Larry Littleton.
That is not a record you want to hold. That's like being the pitcher to face the most batters without recording an out.
Willie Mays didn't get a hit until his 15th PA (a HR off Warren Spahn) on his way to a 1 of his 1st 32. "It's nice to be mentioned in the same sentence as Willie Mays," Gasper should say sometime soon.
Way behind the 47 PA to start a career of Harry Aubrey in 1903, or the more modern 38 PA for Vic Harris in 1972, or the even more recent 33 PA for Chris Carter in 2010. Then there's 32 PA for Stephen Voght in 2012, or 30 PA for Jacob May in 2017. Gasper's 20 PA is currently tied for the 35th most hitless PA to start a career for a non-pitcher since 1903.

https://stathead.com/tiny/iw0yf

Edit: I found 11 more players on page 2 that started their career with more than 20 hitless PA. And 2 more on page 3. So Gasper currently has the 48th worst streak to start a career. Which is really bad!
 
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If I'm re-reading the OP right, it may be limited to those who ended up with zero hits. Thus, there remains no reason at all why Mickey Gasper and Willie Mays should be mentioned in the same sentence.
 

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If I'm re-reading the OP right, it may be limited to those who ended up with zero hits. Thus, there remains no reason at all why Mickey Gasper and Willie Mays should be mentioned in the same sentence.
Sure, but if he goes 1 for 20 this year, then he's not bad anymore? These other guys were ahead of him on the list until they weren't anymore.

Edit: And in the opposite direction, was Ken Ramos (1997) better than Gasper because he was never given any more PAs after he went 0 for 12 with two walks and a sac fly?
 
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If I'm re-reading the OP right, it may be limited to those who ended up with zero hits. Thus, there remains no reason at all why Mickey Gasper and Willie Mays should be mentioned in the same sentence.
Yes, when Gasper gets a hit, the whole point is moot.

Unless it takes him like 30 more plate appearances.
 

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Really good, and under the radar move.

Good luck to Mickey Gaspar, it's cool that he got his cup of coffee with the Sox, and he can tell his kids and grandkids about being a major leaguer and playing in Fenway Park.

Outside of that, I wouldn't be shocked if he wasn't in MLB again, and Breslow got something that pitches, left handed to boot, for him. Even in his "bad" years in Minnesota, he had FIPs of 3.30 and 3.82 and xERAs of 3.78 and 3.69 so there is clearly something there in terms of talent. This is exactly the way bullpens (non closer experience variety) should be built for any team that isn't the Yankees, Dodgers or ostensibly Mets.

Trading Breslow is my favorite Breslow.
 

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Sure, but if he goes 1 for 20 this year, then he's not bad anymore? These other guys were ahead of him on the list until they weren't anymore.

Edit: And in the opposite direction, was Ken Ramos (1997) better than Gasper because he was never given any more PAs after he went 0 for 12 with two walks and a sac fly?
That would be a different thread for a different type of unsuccessful player.
 

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Sure, but if he goes 1 for 20 this year, then he's not bad anymore? These other guys were ahead of him on the list until they weren't anymore.

Edit: And in the opposite direction, was Ken Ramos (1997) better than Gasper because he was never given any more PAs after he went 0 for 12 with two walks and a sac fly?
Not really the point and I wasn't saying that Gasper is better or worse than anyone else. It was just a quirky stat. Sorry for derailing the thread.