Red Sox trade for Burke Badenhop

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His numbers over the last two years are eerily similar. Seems like a good middle relief pick up to me. 
 

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Believe it or not, first trade between Boston and Milwaukee in 15 years.  The Yankees are the only team we hadn't traded with more recently (one year earlier).
 

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Some of those eery numbers MakMan is talking about: 
 
2012 62.1 IP, 9.1 H/9, 0.9 HR/9, 1.7 BB/9, 6.1 SO/9
2013 62.1 IP, 9.0 H/9, 0.9 HR/9, 1.7 BB/9, 6.1 SO/9
 
He doesn't strike out many, but he doesn't walk many, either. 5+ years service time. 
 

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Hendu for Kutch said:
Believe it or not, first trade between Boston and Milwaukee in 15 years.  The Yankees are the only team we hadn't traded with more recently (one year earlier).
 
I assume the last Yankee trade was Mike Stanley, who came over from the Brewers?
 

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This guy pitched 62.1 innings for the Rays in 2012 and this is the first time I've ever heard of him.
 

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Corsi said:
This guy pitched 62.1 innings for the Rays in 2012 and this is the first time I've ever heard of him.
The first time I heard of him was when he was traded to Florida as part of the package for Miguel Cabrera. Which seems like one his big non-performance claims to fames.
 

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nvalvo said:
Some of those eery numbers MakMan is talking about: 
 
2012 62.1 IP, 9.1 H/9, 0.9 HR/9, 1.7 BB/9, 6.1 SO/9
2013 62.1 IP, 9.0 H/9, 0.9 HR/9, 1.7 BB/9, 6.1 SO/9
 
He doesn't strike out many, but he doesn't walk many, either. 5+ years service time. 
Jesus, what are the chances of that happening?  
 

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looks like a nice pickup--excellent numbers against righthanded hitters the last two years--.574 OPS against in 2013, .610 in 2012.  Let's hope he keeps his consistency going.  Looks like a perfectly reasonable guy to add to the mix
 

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Looking at his game log last year, it's tough to get a decent read on how the Brewers liked to use him.  He mostly came into the game when they were behind, although I imagine they were behind a lot.  That's his career trend, but other than the year with the Rays he hasn't played for very good teams.  Maddon seemed to use him much the same -- mostly lowlev or medlev when the team was already behind, with a seeming preference for bases empty.
 
He's 33 percent career for inherited runners scoring, and seems to be brought in most often (65 to 70 percent of the time) with bases empty.  Seems to have been used mostly in low leverage situations -- his career appearances are pretty consistent with his season by season usage (lowlev or medlev 189; highlev 75).  He seems to be reasonably efficient, and is often used for more than one inning -- averaging 3.7 outs per appearance and not infrequently going 2.0 innings.
 
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I hope this means 1) MLB-ready guys like Workman and Webster get to develop in Pawtucket as starters (and become the injury insurance for the big club) and 2) they have a deal in place for Dempster to be shipped out for a prospect and are just working on the cash to go with him.
 

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He's a different pitcher against righties than against lefties.
 
Career vs. RHB
1.35 BB/9, 7.66 K/9, 2.88 xFIP, batters hitting 248/287/355
 
Career vs. LHB
4.84 BB/9, 4.90 K/9, 4.86 xFIP, batters hitting 271/364/426
 
To put those numbers in perspective, the xFIP split is almost extreme as Chad Bradford's (3.16 vs. RHB, 5.33 vs. LHB).
 

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I really like this deal. He's pitched well against the AL East, though it is SSS and it's been a few years since he's faced some of them. 
 

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What's not to like; he seems like a useful piece.  Even if he's only to be trusted in low leverage situations, there are a lot of those during the season that need to be pitched by someone: why not Burke Badenhop?  And if filling the bullpen with solid types like this permits Webster and Workman and others to pitch in the rotation at Pawtucket until needed in Boston, so much the better.  Good pick up.
 

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Wow! Ben traded for a middle-reliever.... Now that he's got this out of his system, maybe this means he'll be moving on to bigger and better things soon.
 

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I like relief pitchers who throw strikes and don't walk people. And I like picking up players who've done well in the AL East. Can also pitch more than an inning at a time? So much the better. This seems like a really good pickup.
 
Badenhop's walk rate dropped after he joined Tampa, and he became a very solid relief pitcher. Glad they fixed him for us.
 

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Prolly just me but BADenHOP is not an encouraging name for a GB pitcher.
 

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Grant Balfour isn't an encouraging name, but he did fine.
 
Luke Strikethree ain't walking through that door.
 
Not everyone can have as good of a pitcher name as Josh Outman.
 

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PROBABLY just me but BADenHOP is not an encouraging name for a GB pitcher.
Let's hope our recent #1 pick is not discouraged by your line of reasoning.
 
What do we know about Ortega?
 

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maufman said:
He's a different pitcher against righties than against lefties.
 
Career vs. RHB
1.35 BB/9, 7.66 K/9, 2.88 xFIP, batters hitting 248/287/355
 
Career vs. LHB
4.84 BB/9, 4.90 K/9, 4.86 xFIP, batters hitting 271/364/426
 
To put those numbers in perspective, the xFIP split is almost extreme as Chad Bradford's (3.16 vs. RHB, 5.33 vs. LHB).
 
He also has a .291 wOBA against in low leverage situations, a .331 wOBA against in medium leverage situations and a .340 wOBA against in high leverage situations. Seems like he would be best used as a middle reliever.
 

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Corsi said:
This guy pitched 62.1 innings for the Rays in 2012 and this is the first time I've ever heard of him.
What's 2012?
 

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ItOnceWasMyLife said:
Let's hope our recent #1 pick is not discouraged by your line of reasoning.
 
What do we know about Ortega?
 
Short lefty with a fastball that sits in the high 80's, and has an average change and curveball, so nothing to write home about. He'll be 21 next year and has yet to play above rookie ball.
 

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Ortega, 20, was signed by the Red Sox as an international free agent on July 2, 2011. He did not appear on the team's Top 30 prospects heading into the season (per Baseball America), nor did he make MLB.com's Top 20 Red Sox prospects list following the season. However, Ortega turned in a solid year in the Gulf Coast League, pitching to a 2.45 ERA with 6.4 K/9 and 3.7 BB/9 in 36 innings of work. Since being signed, he owns a 2.25 ERA with 55 strikeouts and 31 walks in 96 innings between the GCL and the Dominican Summer League.
 
per MLB Trade Rumors
 

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What is Ben's fascination with acquiring relief pitchers from the NL Central?  Haven't they all failed miserably pitching for the Sox?
Badenhop was good in the AL East in 2012. He's already shown he can have a good year in the toughest division in baseball and we gave up a very low level prospect for him. This is like the exact opposite of his other relief pitcher trades.
 

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Did they ask about Ryan Braun while they were working on the deal for Badenhop?
Might be a better bet than Matt Kemp. We should be able to beat out the Mets offer of Ike Davis.
 

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Badenhop was good in the AL East in 2012. He's already shown he can have a good year in the toughest division in baseball and we gave up a very low level prospect for him. This is like the exact opposite of his other relief pitcher trades.
The prospect may turn out to never get beyond A ball.  I get that.  But 26 IP against the AL East (presumably half of which were in the empty Dome) as a 2012 member of TB is a SSS, no?
 

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Mixed feelings on this one.  Ben has been hit or miss trading for relievers and this will be his 4th organization in 4 years.  While there is nothing to suggest he's a clubhouse problem or has attitude issues, that to me is telling; as young effective cost controlled relievers don't grow on trees.
 

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Uehara – 1.61 FIP
Tazawa – 3.22 FIP
Breslow – 3.60 FIP
Workman – 3.43 FIP
Miller – 3.05 FIP
Badenhop – 3.53 FIP
Dempster – 4.68 FIP
 
If Crain or Madson is available for something like $4 million/1 year, would that be more valuable than having Dempster as a long reliever/sixth starter? I wonder if the price on remaining relievers will dictate what we do with our surplus of starters.
 

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There are no issues with him from a clubhouse perspective. He is a very laid back dude, the last guy you would pin clubhouse issues on. I think he has had so many stops because at first he was a four year college player not regarded as a major league prospect and he does not have any defying talent. But at every level he has pitched he has thrown strikes, gotten guys out and been able to work multiple innings. He gets squeezed out, I think, of organizations looking for younger talent but his skill set can help this team through a long season.
 

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I'm convinced that the Sox targeted Badenhop for one reason in particular: he's really tough on righties. He really probably shouldn't be pitching to lefties at all.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statsplits.aspx?playerid=9736&position=P&season=0
 
It's shaping up to be a really strong bullpen. It may require some strategic management, but as a former pitcher and pitching coach, that's where Farrell should shine.
 

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BosRedSox5 said:
I'm convinced that the Sox targeted Badenhop for one reason in particular: he's really tough on righties. He really probably shouldn't be pitching to lefties at all.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statsplits.aspx?playerid=9736&position=P&season=0
 
It's shaping up to be a really strong bullpen. It may require some strategic management, but as a former pitcher and pitching coach, that's where Farrell should shine.
 
I realize that it is easier to just post this than it is to actually run out and kneecap 50% of the projected bullpen, but please shut up.  :nsmith:
 

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Badenhop's numbers for the past two years, as provided by nvalvo
 
2012 62.1 IP, 9.1 H/9, 0.9 HR/9, 1.7 BB/9, 6.1 SO/9
2013 62.1 IP, 9.0 H/9, 0.9 HR/9, 1.7 BB/9, 6.1 SO/9
 
PrometheusWakefield said:
Jesus, what are the chances of that happening?  
   Well, assuming that he pitches the same 63 innings in two consecutive years, about 1 in 9,000.
 
   It's actually not so unusual for some of these numbers to be so consistent.  For example, the home runs: Badenhop gave up 6 in 2012 and 6 in 2013.  Home runs must be integers -- you can't give up half a home run.  If a pitcher does pitch the same number of innings, and has roughly the same HR rates, he's very likely to give up somewhere between 3 and 8 HR.   That means that in two consecutive years, the chances that the number of HR is identical are actually pretty good: about 1 in 6, or 16 percent.
 
   Now, when the number of events is larger, the range of likely values increases -- it's much less probable that the number of strikeouts in two consecutive years should be 42 than that the number of home runs should be 6.  Nonetheless, since the largest number of events here is only 63 per year (hits in 2012), and since the range of likely numbers scales as the square root of the number of events (so, for 63 hits per year, we expect a range of roughly +/- 8 hits), even matching 4 sets of events isn't that unlikely.
 
  Running 13 simulations of one million instances each yielded probabilities ranging from 1 in 6897 to 1 in 10417.  Code available upon request :)
 

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BosRedSox5 said:
I'm convinced that the Sox targeted Badenhop for one reason in particular: he's really tough on righties. He really probably shouldn't be pitching to lefties at all.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statsplits.aspx?playerid=9736&position=P&season=0
 
It's shaping up to be a really strong bullpen. It may require some strategic management, but as a former pitcher and pitching coach, that's where Farrell should shine.
Good stuff. Chances are good that a few members of this projected pen are going to be gone by July. The way I see it now this is the pen.

Uehara
Tazawa
Workman
Miller
Badenhop
Breslow
Britton/Morales/Open Spot

Should shape up on paper as a solid pen. I really like how he pitched in the AL East prior. Then again I loved when the Sox brought in Wheeler a few years back and we know how that panned out. Still better than throwing 3 mil at a FA bullpen option.