Paxton has made 174 MLB appearances, all as a starter. If they're trading for him, he'll start out at least in the rotation
Red Sox trade deadline rumors
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The Boston Red Sox are acquiring left-hander James Paxton in a trade with the Los Angeles Dodgers, sources tell ESPN. Done deal. Paxton, 35, will return to Boston, where he spent the 2023 season, after being DFA’d by the Dodgers. In 89.1 innings this season, he has a 4.43 ERA.
So you're telling me they're out on Skubal, then, eh? Hmm...
(Please note that I am not actually suggesting the Red Sox will trade for Skubal)
(Actually, looking at the return, Baltimore could probably still turn around and trade for Skubal if they so chose.)
Full trade is Eflin for Horvath (10th in O's system on MLB), Baumeister (17th) and Etzel (not in their top 30). Fangraphs has them at 13th (Baumeister), 25th (Horvath) and unranked.
Suffice it to say a) I still like the Paxton deal but b) if the Sox don't acquire another SP with term (or a big time bat with term) I'm going to be pretty upset that they didn't land Eflin for that themselves or at minimum make Baltimore pay more. For what it's worth Yorke, Fitts (or Gonzalez) and someone like Castro probably would have been a better package, and something that I'd have been more than on board with giving up for a starter of Eflin's caliber with ostensibly two cracks at the playoffs with (he's under control for next year as well).
Baltimore didn't give up much at all from their vaunted farm system for him and he's not a rental.
Suffice it to say a) I still like the Paxton deal but b) if the Sox don't acquire another SP with term (or a big time bat with term) I'm going to be pretty upset that they didn't land Eflin for that themselves or at minimum make Baltimore pay more. For what it's worth Yorke, Fitts (or Gonzalez) and someone like Castro probably would have been a better package, and something that I'd have been more than on board with giving up for a starter of Eflin's caliber with ostensibly two cracks at the playoffs with (he's under control for next year as well).
Baltimore didn't give up much at all from their vaunted farm system for him and he's not a rental.
How do folks expect the addition of another starter to work? Assuming Paxton replaces Horn on the roster. If they were to add another SP, that would require dumping one of the guys they have, most likely Pivetta or Paxton himself, I guess? Or you could move one of them to the pen and get rid of Anderson? Seems possible, but if Slaten and Martin come back, the roster gymnastics start to get a little trickier.
Option Criswell? IL someone with "arm soreness"? Slaten and Martin (and Hendricks) are still ifs, Weissert and Bernie still look like they need a break, we simply need more dependable arms period. Stash people with options, let them rest up and then let performance dictate the roster in September/October.
If I can get back on my bullshit for a minute, I have to wonder what the Sox could fetch for Nick Pivetta in this seller's market.
Of course he's been much improved in '23-24, a much better pitcher than the #5 guy I wanted to trade two years ago. The command and stuff are a lot better, but he's still among the worst in the league at giving up home runs, and that was true before the Rockies game.
I would be happy with a reasonable Pivetta extension. But in the vein of the ongoing Alex Cora extension discussions, does it seem like if there were mutual interest in the Sox extending Pivetta, it would have happened by now? I worry that the elite version of Nick Pivetta, the guy with the whirlybird, is an injury risk, and the durable one is mediocre.
If we were to ship Pivetta for a good package from a more cost-conscious NL contender and then grab the much pricier Snell for less in prospect cost, I'd think that was nifty. Only a few scenarios it would work with, though (LAD, ATL, NYM, SDP, ARI)
Given Snell’s injury history, I’d be pretty scared with that $30M option next year. The potential of having he and Giolito on the books for $50M would be way too much risk for me. If they’d take Yoshida or something, maybe.
I think we may have over estimated the “seller’s market“, at least initially.
The Rays return on both Arozarena and Eflin were both kind of “meh” in my opinion. The Sox got Paxton virtually for free. Harvey might have netted the best return as of yet (39th pick). Yimi Garcia just went to the Ms for Clase (maybe on par with Lugo, I’d guess) and Sharp.
With a third of the league now making the playoffs (even if four of them only play 2-3 extra games before going home), can it ever be a true seller's market again? Some teams will stand pat and get into the tournament. Some will make moves to do so and still miss out. Really, only about 6 teams (bottom two in each division) have NO chance of making the playoffs, which means, by my math, about a 41and 2/3 percent chance of making it for the other 24 teams, assuming all things are equal. The more teams you add to the "no chance" list, the higher the chances are for everybody else to get in, almost to the point of it being a coin flip. Given that math, why would anyone overpay beyond desperation and foolishness?
these things always seem to work themselves out in baseball. A guy goes down, a guy gets optioned, they skip a start, there is a rainout so rotation gets shuffled, etc.. when you look at the roster, Chase Anderson is simply a mop up guy and placeholder right now. Brad Keller is minor league depth at best. Bailey Horn is likely on the cusp of being expendable. This stuff will figure itself out if they simply bring in guys who are better pitchers, whether SP or RP at this point.
Not on the big league roster but has been...I'm gonna guess Valdez. Dalbec and Heineman have no value and I can't imagine any of the reliever flotsam is going to bring back someone better. Everyone else that meets the description is on the IL.
That is what i am think Valdez.... hits left, plays second base with a below average glove, not great on bases, but can hit well sometimes - we have a few of those guys and worth somebody else taking a chance on - not bringing back star but bullpen help would be good.
Jesus, that's a lot of character usage to say zero actual things.
Xitter is like a new age art form these days.
Depending on who the receiving team is, a guy on the IL *could* be part of a deal. (You *can* trade those guys, right?)
With commissioner approval, yes. I was mostly ruling them out because other than Grissom, who I would think has limited trade value at the moment, no one else is really projected to be returning any time soon.
All about being *first* because now no matter who the Sox acquire and who they trade from the 40-man, Carrabis can claim to have been right. I know he's got ties to the team working for NESN, but he's not exactly a "breaking news" kind of person so I'd take anything he posts with a bucket of salt.
All I took it for, in the context of this thread, is a jumping off point for who might be outgoing in a trade for a reliever.
I would wish Valdez well in his future endeavors, but we are full up on gloveless LHHs right now.
He probably heard they’re close to trading for someone but light on the details.
If it's someone like Valdez, I can't imagine he's going to start somewhere, which means it might be a depth-for-depth trade. Unless additional value goes along, Valdez alone feels like he'd net a fringe reliever at best. Are there any teams that need an all bat, no glove utility guy that badly that they'd trade away a good arm to get him?
Also, here's the thread that led to that reply, including that reply, for additional context:
It would seem "Craig," in this case, is Breslow, not Kimbrel, at the risk of dashing any hopes out there.
Also, here's the thread that led to that reply, including that reply, for additional context:
It would seem "Craig," in this case, is Breslow, not Kimbrel, at the risk of dashing any hopes out there.
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I don't know how that random guy's sentence ended, but there's a 0% chance Detroit has any interest in acquiring a lefty-hitting second baseman.
That's exactly what I'm thinking. Or, heaven forbid, Craig Kimbrel who BAL would LOVE to unload.
Valdez seems like a good ML half of a trade for a rebuilding team. Destroying RHP is a pretty good carrying tool, so the upside is legitimate if you can improve his defense just a touch, and he's cheap. He seems like a plausible bet to be worth more in trade a year or two from now.
One guy I’d be really happy to acquire is Lucas Erceg. The A’s have Zack Gelof at 2B but he’s been terrible this year, and maybe they’re keen on trying Valdez at 3B or DH when they trade Rooker.
There’s also Finnegan and Floro in Washington who seem sure to be moved, but I’m not sure either are worth Valdez, personally.
There’s also Finnegan and Floro in Washington who seem sure to be moved, but I’m not sure either are worth Valdez, personally.
I don't know about trading for Phenomenal Nate Pearson (who's never actually been phenomenal), we have a lot of projects on board already and we kinda need guys that can do shutdown innings? The Cubs have a lot more leeway to let him figure it out.
Or "Phenomenal" AJ Styles, for that matter.
I don't know if this was the trade he was talking about, but I'm pretty sure Valdez could net someone maybe 2% better than Pearson. We'll see, I guess. Lots of trades already, and it's only Saturday. Prez Brez is going to have a long weekend.
I don't know if this was the trade he was talking about, but I'm pretty sure Valdez could net someone maybe 2% better than Pearson. We'll see, I guess. Lots of trades already, and it's only Saturday. Prez Brez is going to have a long weekend.
Is phenomenal better than wonderful?
https://fiusports.com/sports/football/roster/wonderful-monds/3810
https://fiusports.com/sports/football/roster/wonderful-monds/3810
Agree.... it may be during this time that there is a lot of wheeling and dealing that they didn't mind picking up another project that could yield high returns in the future, either on the field or in trade.
Is it just me or do the Sox and Cubs seem to be in on a lot of the same guys? Wondering whether somebody should tell Craig to maybe go easy on group chat with his former colleagues.
I doubt it even requires him to be in touch with his old colleagues. They're probably all working from the same proverbial checklist when it comes to identifying trade targets.
View: https://twitter.com/ggeiss_mlb/status/1817282706851402072?s=46
Wouldn’t shock me one bit if you didn’t see either of these guys until July 31st.
Wouldn’t shock me one bit if you didn’t see either of these guys until July 31st.
Isn't it just that Grissom is on a rehab assignment? Has either played any position besides 2B or DH?
Well, shut my mouth then. Either way, it seems like Worcester has a lot of guys they need to juggle ABs for, so I'm not sure this is significant ... yet.
https://twitter.com/jonheyman/status/1817279304126120139?s=46&t=Tl7uNH0-pxEyJtNj1BktDA
Heyman tweets that Angels’ reliever Luis Garcia is “one of many options” for the Red Sox.
Heyman tweets that Angels’ reliever Luis Garcia is “one of many options” for the Red Sox.