Red Sox to have fans at Fenway to start 2021

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Figured this belonged here. In addition to Fenway TD Garden will also be opening up in a limited capacity

From the Herald:

During an appearance at the Ledger Restaurant in Salem, Baker said that effective March 22, as long as health metrics hild, fans will be allowed back into sports venues including the TD Garden, Fenway Park and Gillette Stadium, which each will be subject to 12% capacity limits. At Fenway Park, that means about 5,000 fans would be allowed to attend a Red Sox game.


And from the Red Sox:

In conjunction with Governor Baker’s announcement that the Commonwealth will enter Phase 4 of its reopening plan on March 22, the Red Sox on Thursday announced limited capacity plans that allow for the safe return of fans to Fenway Park for the regular season.
“Today’s announcement by Governor Baker and Lt. Governor Polito outlining the Commonwealth’s timetable for entering Phase 4 in late March is a major step forward and a testament to the leadership of the state and our many health care partners working together,” said Red Sox President & CEO Sam Kennedy. “We thank the Governor, Lt. Governor, Secretary Sudders, Secretary Kennealy, and all of the public officials whose hard work has helped get us to this important stage. We are eager to welcome our fans back to Fenway Park this season.”
Entering this new Phase will allow the Red Sox to put operational plans into action for the return of fans to Fenway Park for the upcoming 2021 season, scheduled to begin on April 1. As part of a socially distanced fan experience at Fenway Park, the club will implement appropriate health and safety protocols that will include initial limited capacity seating for the start of the regular season. Season Ticket Holders will be offered the first opportunity to attend regular season games at Fenway Park. Additional details about the plan, including ticket sales information, will be communicated in the coming weeks.

The Red Sox are fully committed to supporting the state’s vaccination program and expect Fenway Park to continue to operate as a mass vaccination site beyond the start of the regular season. The club is working closely with the state and vaccination site partners at CIC Health to develop revised operating plans as necessary for the month of April and beyond that are well-coordinated with the Red Sox game schedule.
It will be interesting to see how they handle the distribution of tickets. I'm sure they've been planning behind the scenes but now they have an official number of tickets per game to work with and they said in an email to STH they expect to communicate their plan in the next 1-2 weeks.
 

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This will be interesting. I'd be potentially interested going to a 12% game, especially if the Who's On First exit/entrance is open in case I get a panic attack with mask non-compliance by others, but not more than 20%.

Hopefully the Herald gets some new copy editors by OD.

"Baker said that effective March 22, as long as health metrics hild, fans will be allowed back into sports venues including the TD Garden, Fenway Park and Gillette Stadium, which each will be subject to 12% capacity limits. At Fenway Park, that means about 5,000 fans would be allowed to attend a Red Sox game. Another slate of changes are do to take effect Monday, March 1."
 
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At roughly 4,500 fans you should be able to spread 2 or 4 person clusters within the upper and lower box seats and still keeping a good distance between everyone. If they're still going to be doing vaccines they're probably going to want to keep the OF off limits (if that's where they're doing them, I have no idea). Also why open that area up and have to add more cost structure for either ushers, security, etc.

I have no idea how pricing will work or the logistics of seating people. I've got season tickets in the bleachers - if they offer me tickets are they going to try and upcharge me to sit in a loge box if there are no bleachers? How do they seat the expensive ticket holders in a similar area so they don't get pissed?
 

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This will be interesting. I'd be potentially interested going to a 12% game, especially if the Who's On First exit/entrance is open in case I get a panic attack with mask non-compliance by others, but not more than 20%.

Hopefully the Herald gets some new copy editors by OD.

"Baker said that effective March 22, as long as health metrics hild, fans will be allowed back into sports venues including the TD Garden, Fenway Park and Gillette Stadium, which each will be subject to 12% capacity limits. At Fenway Park, that means about 5,000 fans would be allowed to attend a Red Sox game. Another slate of changes are do to take effect Monday, March 1."
I'd go to a Red Sox game in the Spring, outdoor venue, mask wearing, etc.................the TD Garden for a Celtics or a Bruins game; not a chance.

If nothing else, it's very encouraging to see regardless considering where we were last year..........another sign of us getting our lives back.
 

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I'm interested in seeing what the ticket prices are going to be as well as how seating choices will be spread around the park.
I expect prices will be similar to what was announced for 2020 and limited to season ticket holders who will be asked to rank games and will be seated in or near their seats but away from other folks.
 

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I'd go to a Red Sox game in the Spring, outdoor venue, mask wearing, etc.................the TD Garden for a Celtics or a Bruins game; not a chance.

If nothing else, it's very encouraging to see regardless considering where we were last year..........another sign of us getting our lives back.
If you have access to Bruins tickets send them my way.
This is excellent news. I cannot wait to get back to going to games.
 

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Thanks for the insight. I thought season ticket holders would make of the majority of spectators and was curious how they might sort all of that out.
Season ticket holders are going to be selling their tickets (assuming allowed) to pay for losses in 2017-2019 and 2022, and also to keep themselves alive. They have one of the oldest season ticket holder bases if I'm not mistaken.
 

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Season ticket holders are going to be selling their tickets (assuming allowed) to pay for losses in 2017-2019 and 2022, and also to keep themselves alive. They have one of the oldest season ticket holder bases if I'm not mistaken.
i don’t know what the part about losses means, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they didn’t allow resale of season tickets and just went down the list of holders, partial holders, 20 and 10 game plans in an effort to get those customers in the door and happy
 

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At roughly 4,500 fans you should be able to spread 2 or 4 person clusters within the upper and lower box seats and still keeping a good distance between everyone. If they're still going to be doing vaccines they're probably going to want to keep the OF off limits (if that's where they're doing them, I have no idea). Also why open that area up and have to add more cost structure for either ushers, security, etc.

I have no idea how pricing will work or the logistics of seating people. I've got season tickets in the bleachers - if they offer me tickets are they going to try and upcharge me to sit in a loge box if there are no bleachers? How do they seat the expensive ticket holders in a similar area so they don't get pissed?
This is what Premier League football games looked like in England when they allowed fans back:

 

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It would be nice if each team had a night, or at least a block of tickets, made available for front-line workers and teachers.
Wondering if the BILH $5 ticket post-game start line will still be in effect. Doubt it. (I'm not BILH)
 

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This is the part I'm not getting. to pay for losses in 2017-2019 and 2022,
A lot of season ticket locations are losing propositions. People keep them because it's hard to get them back, especially ones they've had for generations. The reduced capacity will allow the owners to get closer back to financial breakeven overall in the recent years, since it should be windfall this year.
 

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A lot of season ticket locations are losing propositions. People keep them because it's hard to get them back, especially ones they've had for generations. The reduced capacity will allow the owners to get closer back to financial breakeven overall in the recent years, since it should be windfall this year.
I disagree with both halves of your statement.

I don't see older folks staying away, assuming they are vaccinated. Nor do I see they will necessarily be able to make up prior year losses due to scarcity this year. I wouldn't be surprised if the Sox attempt to ban or restrict resales.

Did season ticket holders take a bath in 2018 with that team? If so, then I think they consider the loss to be "baked in" to the cost of tickets and aren't necessarily looking to make up the cash later on due to pandemic related limits
 

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I disagree with both halves of your statement.

I don't see older folks staying away, assuming they are vaccinated. Nor do I see they will necessarily be able to make up prior year losses due to scarcity this year. I wouldn't be surprised if the Sox attempt to ban or restrict resales.
I'm thinking more about the 55-64 unvaccinated folks. I wouldn't be surprised either way on restrictions. That's why I explicitly said "assuming"
 

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If resale is allowed, season ticket holders are going to be selling their tickets to younger attendees, instead of going themselves.
I would be shocked if resale wasn't allowed. MLB's big push to digital includes a more streamlined forward flow in the Ballpark App, and all teams are expected to utilize that. If you can forward a ticket, there's not really any distinction between that and reselling it. The trickier part for resale will be the force of digital tickets for people who are more accustomed to buying/selling hard tickets only.

After seeing how well some teams' Spring Training tickets sold, I would expect Season Ticket Holders to gobble up whatever is offered to them through package or pre-sale. Even if the 5,000 capacity number is after team, umpire, visiting club, and corporate/sponsor obligations are fulfilled, the Sox should be able to avoid the headache of a public onsale.
 

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I would be shocked if resale wasn't allowed. MLB's big push to digital includes a more streamlined forward flow in the Ballpark App, and all teams are expected to utilize that. If you can forward a ticket, there's not really any distinction between that and reselling it. The trickier part for resale will be the force of digital tickets for people who are more accustomed to buying/selling hard tickets only.

After seeing how well some teams' Spring Training tickets sold, I would expect Season Ticket Holders to gobble up whatever is offered to them through package or pre-sale. Even if the 5,000 capacity number is after team, umpire, visiting club, and corporate/sponsor obligations are fulfilled, the Sox should be able to avoid the headache of a public onsale.
The Sox have defaulted to digital tickets the past few years for STH and you have to specifically request hard tickets. I have no idea what % are utilizing which method though.
 

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I have a full 81 game season ticket. I will be fully vaccinated by April 1. I have no interest in going to a game, at least not yet. When the Sox get to offering me the ability to go to games I am going to tell them to give the opportunity to someone else further down the list.
 

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Curious as to why you don’t want to go.
I don't feel it's safe yet and Dr. Walensky yesterday seemed to agree. Sitting in the stands is no problem, the problem is getting in, getting out, and going to restrooms and refreshment stands. Although people in the stands will be spread out there will likely be crowds of people together at these places and during these times. I know from experiences elsewhere that they won't adhere to social distancing and that the likelihood is some of them won't wear masks. I don't trust that they'll all be as careful as I have been. My wife is immunocompromised and I can't take any chances with my own health without endangering her. I can be completely safe while watching on TV from home.
 

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I don't feel it's safe yet and Dr. Walensky yesterday seemed to agree. Sitting in the stands is no problem, the problem is getting in, getting out, and going to restrooms and refreshment stands. Although people in the stands will be spread out there will likely be crowds of people together at these places and during these times. I know from experiences elsewhere that they won't adhere to social distancing and that the likelihood is some of them won't wear masks. I don't trust that they'll all be as careful as I have been. My wife is immunocompromised and I can't take any chances with my own health without endangering her. I can be completely safe while watching on TV from home.
This has been my experience at places that attempted to "enforce" distancing. It's not quite the same... (and I should add that since then they've just completely given up)... but Home Depot and Loses and other places like that were enforcing lines to go in with people having to wearing masks and 6' distancing. There were often two people monitoring, one to call the next person in line to go in after someone left, and someone to enforce masks and distancing in the line. But once inside it was a fucking mess with people taking their masks off to their chin or exposing their noses and clustering around items in the aisles. Likely would happen at Fenway. I got my first shot a week ago and even after I get a second shot, I'm still going to be very cautious in going out to places until we get some sort of word from Fauci and the Administration that it's safe to be in groups.
 

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I don't feel it's safe yet and Dr. Walensky yesterday seemed to agree. Sitting in the stands is no problem, the problem is getting in, getting out, and going to restrooms and refreshment stands. Although people in the stands will be spread out there will likely be crowds of people together at these places and during these times. I know from experiences elsewhere that they won't adhere to social distancing and that the likelihood is some of them won't wear masks. I don't trust that they'll all be as careful as I have been. My wife is immunocompromised and I can't take any chances with my own health without endangering her. I can be completely safe while watching on TV from home.
If both of you are fully vaccinated, at what point would you feel it's "safe" to go back? Everything I've read says there hasn't been a single Covid fatality for people who have finished their vaccine cycle.

All COVID vaccines stop severe illness and death. Take what's offered. (usatoday.com)

Unless you're up in the luxury boxes, the concourses at Fenway aren't enclosed. They all have plenty of ventilation from ramps and exits. If you're wearing a mask walking next to an unmasked person for a couple minutes getting in and out of the ballpark, it would be nearly impossible to get infected from them.
 

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If both of you are fully vaccinated, at what point would you feel it's "safe" to go back? Everything I've read says there hasn't been a single Covid fatality for people who have finished their vaccine cycle.

All COVID vaccines stop severe illness and death. Take what's offered. (usatoday.com)

Unless you're up in the luxury boxes, the concourses at Fenway aren't enclosed. They all have plenty of ventilation from ramps and exits. If you're wearing a mask walking next to an unmasked person for a couple minutes getting in and out of the ballpark, it would be nearly impossible to get infected from them.
People have their own individual risk scales. What one person considers “safe” can be different from someone else’s scale. It’s an individual choice based on a variety of factors.
 

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People have their own individual risk scales. What one person considers “safe” can be different from someone else’s scale. It’s an individual choice based on a variety of factors.
That's why I asked the question. I don't know what your factors or risk scales are. If you're not willing to go to the park fully vaccinated at 1/8 capacity, when would you?
 

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That's why I asked the question. I don't know what your factors or risk scales are. If you're not willing to go to the park fully vaccinated at 1/8 capacity, when would you?
I’m not the one on the hot seat here to provide details of their risk profile for you, but I would consider going to a ballpark sometime late summer. I dropped my Sox season tickets after 30 years following the 2019 season, so the park I’m hoping to get to sometime this year is Polar Park.

As for details behind my own risk profile. That’s personal.
 

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I don't think tickets are going to be insanely expensive or difficult to come by. Every city that's tried reopening venues at extemely reduced capacities is so far having trouble convincing people to buy and to go. Opening Day and maybe weekends might do ok, but if it's going to be a tough ticket, then the Red Sox will be the first tough reopening ticket in the country. And yes, this is factoring in the likely overpriced presale opportunity the Red Sox will give paid up season ticket holders.

For context, Rangers / Bruins tickets at MSG, at a 2,000 person capacity, could be had for $9 last night, which is unheard of during normal times. People are either scared crapless or don't want to deal with the reduced capacity thing. It's going to take a long time to get demand back. I don't think we're close to it until football season, or if by some miracle, the Red Sox prove to be the best team in baseball. With reopening news, it might be easy to forget that the team's popularity has still fallen off a cliff.

Also keep in mind that as vaccinations go up, cases go down, probably in time for warmer weather, more seats will probably open, and still meet whatever demand is out there.
 

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I don't think tickets are going to be insanely expensive or difficult to come by. Every city that's tried reopening venues at extemely reduced capacities is so far having trouble convincing people to buy and to go. Opening Day and maybe weekends might do ok, but if it's going to be a tough ticket, then the Red Sox will be the first tough reopening ticket in the country. And yes, this is factoring in the likely overpriced presale opportunity the Red Sox will give paid up season ticket holders.

For context, Rangers / Bruins tickets at MSG, at a 2,000 person capacity, could be had for $9 last night, which is unheard of during normal times. People are either scared crapless or don't want to deal with the reduced capacity thing. It's going to take a long time to get demand back. I don't think we're close to it until football season, or if by some miracle, the Red Sox prove to be the best team in baseball. With reopening news, it might be easy to forget that the team's popularity has still fallen off a cliff.

Also keep in mind that as vaccinations go up, cases go down, probably in time for warmer weather, more seats will probably open, and still meet whatever demand is out there.
I think one part of the Rangers thing is that it required proof of a negative test, and another is people are no longer working in NYC offices.
 

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If both of you are fully vaccinated, at what point would you feel it's "safe" to go back? Everything I've read says there hasn't been a single Covid fatality for people who have finished their vaccine cycle.

All COVID vaccines stop severe illness and death. Take what's offered. (usatoday.com)

Unless you're up in the luxury boxes, the concourses at Fenway aren't enclosed. They all have plenty of ventilation from ramps and exits. If you're wearing a mask walking next to an unmasked person for a couple minutes getting in and out of the ballpark, it would be nearly impossible to get infected from them.
I'm not sure when I'll feel safe. I do expect to go to games again someday. Just yesterday Dr. Walensky disagreed with Governor Baker about it being safe to begin relaxing rules now. I've made it through a year without getting Covid in part by being very careful. I'm not going to change that now until there is more agreement among the "experts" about it being safe to be in a crowd, some of whom won't be wearing masks and some of whom could be contagious. The fact that there hasn't been a single Covid fatality among those who have finished their vaccines is encouraging, but it's only been a couple of months and in Massachusetts about 7% of the population who is currently fully vaccinated so that's not enough data to make me feel comfortable yet. In addition, I mentioned my wife being immunocompromised and her doctor has told her that he doesn't know, nor does anyone else of whom he is aware, just how much protection the vaccine will provide for her. The vaccine "teaches" the immune system to create antibodies to fight Covid but if the immune system itself is compromised to the extent that it isn't able to make those antibodies the value of the vaccine is reduced. Perhaps some of the doctors here can weigh in. Once again, from my point of view, why take any risk at all when I can watch in comfort and complete safety on TV from home.
 
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Worth passing along that "sold out" spring training games can be had for pennies, including today's Red Sox game.
 

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To be fair, it’s been ten+ months since the first vaccines were issued, and the science behind them is strong, but feelings of safety are not something that “logic” generally has much effect on.
I'll let you know when I (in 1c) can actually get one.

That said, the Twins are going ahead with season ticket sales in preparation for fans being allowed in, and vaccine distribution is a mess over here.
 

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I don't think tickets are going to be insanely expensive or difficult to come by. Every city that's tried reopening venues at extemely reduced capacities is so far having trouble convincing people to buy and to go. Opening Day and maybe weekends might do ok, but if it's going to be a tough ticket, then the Red Sox will be the first tough reopening ticket in the country. And yes, this is factoring in the likely overpriced presale opportunity the Red Sox will give paid up season ticket holders.

For context, Rangers / Bruins tickets at MSG, at a 2,000 person capacity, could be had for $9 last night, which is unheard of during normal times. People are either scared crapless or don't want to deal with the reduced capacity thing. It's going to take a long time to get demand back. I don't think we're close to it until football season, or if by some miracle, the Red Sox prove to be the best team in baseball. With reopening news, it might be easy to forget that the team's popularity has still fallen off a cliff.

Also keep in mind that as vaccinations go up, cases go down, probably in time for warmer weather, more seats will probably open, and still meet whatever demand is out there.
Part of this is the hassle one has to go through to go to the game though - MSG requires a negative PCR swab that you had to get on Thursday for the Sunday game, and hope you had the results in time. So for me, not worth the risk of buying tickets and not getting the results - though when I looked, tickets were far more than $9
 

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A lot of season ticket locations are losing propositions. People keep them because it's hard to get them back, especially ones they've had for generations. The reduced capacity will allow the owners to get closer back to financial breakeven overall in the recent years, since it should be windfall this year.
Anyone not comfortable with attending game, no matter how long they've had their account, could simply email their rep and opt out for the season. They'd be off the hook for 2021 and still have their seat location saved for 2022.
 

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Worth passing along that "sold out" spring training games can be had for pennies, including today's Red Sox game.
Yeah, there is, oddly, no re-sale market for these Spring games. Tickets sold in a flash, but it seems nobody wants to buy them in the secondary market. FWIW

I attended the Sox/Twins Spring Training opener on Sunday. FWIW, I thought they did a pretty good job of spacing out the seats and the lower crowds kept concourses spacious and there were virtually no lines for any of the concessions.

In odd numbered rows, they sold a single pod of 4 seats in the middle of the row.
In even numbered rows they sold two pods of 4 seats on each aisle end of the row.

That kept folks relatively well-distanced and meant that you never had to climb over anyone to get out of the row and into the aisle.

Every seat that was not sold was zip-tied closed so that people couldn't squat in seats that weren't theirs.

They required masks everywhere in the park unless you were in your assigned seats and eating/drinking.

I'd say that many folks took rather liberal definitions of the "eating/drinking" exception for taking off the masks at their seats, which I suppose you'd expect.

We definitely didn't feel uncomfortable in the "crowd", but I'll let you know how I feel about the "risk" in another 8 days or so...
 

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Anyone not comfortable with attending game, no matter how long they've had their account, could simply email their rep and opt out for the season. They'd be off the hook for 2021 and still have their seat location saved for 2022.
Thanks, I was not aware of this. I emailed my rep tonight to ask about my options for this year.
 

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Thanks, I was not aware of this. I emailed my rep tonight to ask about my options for this year.
It wasn't an "official" option. But I just sent an email (back in Dec/Jan) and said I wasn't really comfortable attending games, and didn't want to tie up all the money in times of uncertainty. I don't know if that ship has sailed or not, but worth a shot.
 

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Today's email from the Sox to STH:

EDIT - Looks like there's not really going to be a need to opt out, just not bother to log in if you're not interested in attending.

We’re excited to welcome fans back to Fenway Park next month and we thank you for your continued support. Details of an exclusive ticket presale opportunity are being finalized now and will be communicated to you late this week. Only those accounts who have provided payment for their 2021 season tickets as of March 8th will be eligible for this exclusive presale.

Per state guidelines, Fenway Park will operate at a significantly reduced capacity to start the season. The following applies only to games in April and May to start. Additional games may be included at a later date:
  • All tickets will be sold in physically distanced ‘pods’ comprised primarily of 2-4 seats that will allow for at least 6 feet between groups.
  • Please be aware that we will be unable to offer Season Ticket Holders their regular season ticket location.
  • There will be a limit on the number of games each Season Ticket Holder will be able to purchase during this presale process.
More details regarding how, when and what you will be able to purchase for the start of the season will be forthcoming later this week.
 

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EDIT - Looks like there's not really going to be a need to opt out, just not bother to log in if you're not interested in attending.
I spoke with my account rep last week. There is no need to opt out of those games being offered later this week as you said. But the possibility remains to opt out of the entire season and to retain rights to your seats for next year. That option will go away at some point, no date has yet been decided. I chose to wait until mid-April, see what things look like then, and make a decision at that time. The likelihood is that I will opt out of the season and if I do want to attend a game over the summer just buy tickets to that game.
 

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Today's email from the Sox to STH:

EDIT - Looks like there's not really going to be a need to opt out, just not bother to log in if you're not interested in attending.
It's pretty late in the week. Has anyone gotten an email? I haven't seen one yet, although I have the weekend plan, so I'm behind the full season and weeknight guys.