With Marco Hernandez and Deven Marrero on the 40-man, plus Rutledge remaining in Pawtucket, I suppose it just surprises me. There doesn't seem like too much opportunity to play up the middle. At least Cecchini had already transitioned to outfield play.Coyle is younger, has more options remaining, and can play up the middle. I can see where he might be viewed as someone to hang on to a bit longer.
Please explain:Can you guys stop trying to mind fuck yourselves into this line of thinking, please? It's $217MM for a pitcher. That's not a goddamn bargain.
Price said it was very attractive that the Sox, in their pitch, told him they'd always be in a position to add and mentioned the trade deadline and next year specifically. The Sox have Ortiz, Koji, and the Buch option all potentially being up after this year, and Price certainly made it seem like Henry/Ownership and FO fully intend to keep spending. Additionally, considering how much conscious/restrictive you have to be with staying/getting under the Lux tax seems like Sox are comfortable they have enough high upside close youth to pay the tax in the short term and keep adding where necessary with the possibility of cheaper talent all around in say 2018/2019.It's hard to evaluate this deal without knowing what the club's long-term payroll plans are. If we're going to try to get under the CBT threshold in 2017, it's a terrible deal. If we're going to spend like the Yankees and Dodgers going forward, I guess it's OK.
Why are people continuing to assume that John Henry got taken to the cleaners by David Price's agent in option pricing? John Henry has made a fortune trading options. The negotiation probably was about 7-$217 with an opt out, or 8-$250 without an opt out.I don't think there is any disputing the argument that the opt out benefits the player. But some of the cost of that benefit is borne... not by the original signing team but rather by the team that signs him after the opt out.
Said Kennedy, “I asked him at one point, I said, ‘Look, you’re going to get a huge contract no matter what, but is there anything we can do as an organization to stand out?’ And he said, ‘Show me that you have an opportunity to win. I will not be happy if we’re not winning.’
“So he asked us to go through position by position.”
Hazen gave Price a rundown, going through the 25-man roster, then the 40-man roster. Price even wanted to know about last year’s first-round pick, Andrew Benintendi.
“I want to win,” Price said.
The inane but entirely predictable discussion on the option was driven by folks who were celebrating the existence of the option as tremendous boon to the Red Sox. It's a harmless assertion (I guess) but so counter-factual as to invite angry takedowns.Why are people continuing to assume that John Henry got taken to the cleaners by David Price's agent in option pricing? John Henry has made a fortune trading options. The negotiation probably was about 7-$217 with an opt out, or 8-$250 without an opt out.
Again, this whole discussion of whether the option benefits the team or the player misses that fundamental point. It benefits the player a ton. John Henry knows that. The value of the opt out is reflected in a) Price signed here rather than elsewhere and b) Without the opt out, Price would have gotten more guaranteed years/money
Or is it, "From behind the wheel of a Mercedes, a smashed Sean McDonough smiles at this development."From behind the wheel of a smashed Mercedes, Sean McDonough smiles at this development.
Words cannot describe how happy I am that the Red Sox have avoided the situation the Dodgers now find themselves in. Not only is that a pretty big drop from Price and Greinke to the rest of the FA starting pitching pool, but it gives DDski the luxury of going to Nashville and playing the Godfather role as teams come to him looking for something.Dodgers in scramble mode now, as the leftovers don't look nearly as enticing. Mike Leake? Scott Kazmir? Blech. Somewhere, Johnny Cueto grins...
Big difference: the Dodgers already had their ace. They were looking for a #2, which is easier. Cueto or Iwakuma would fit in nicely there, though obviously they'd rather have had the devastating one-two punch of Kershaw/Greinke again. And they have no fewer than three pitching prospects in the mlb.com top 60, so their long-term picture looks fine. I don't think their situation looks terribly dire.Words cannot describe how happy I am that the Red Sox have avoided the situation the Dodgers now find themselves in.
Does anyone here wish the Sox had signed Greinke for that deal (6/206 and a draft pick)?
I'm not ready to call Price a bargain, but, the Greinke deal provides some support that the Sox properly gauged the market.
1) What the fuck? You don't give a guy a record setting deal and then call it a bargain unless that dude turns around and racks up 6-7 fWAR seasons. So until he does that you can't really pat yourself on the back over it.Please explain:
1) Why $217MM for a pitcher can't possibly be a goddamn bargain;
2) What it is about the phrase "compared to" that you have difficulty understanding.