Red Sox Rumors - Just Kidding
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Interesting. Do we feel differently about the Yoshida contract (5/$90M) now, given that many saw Benintendi as a comp?
Seems to be more reasonable. I’d rather take the risk on Yoshida than commit 5/75 to Benintendi.
Is there anywhere that splits out pitchers from batters to see the difference?
I think this is spot on. So when people say "they have no plan" I think what they really mean is "I don't like their plan".
Lots of words to say what we already have: Chaim is not good as a GM and our team as of today is worse then it was on the last day of the 2022 season.
If this is a serious question (forgive me if my sarcasm meter is non-functional) it's the latter. The Braves have Vaughn Grissom whom had a line of .291/.353/..440/.792 for a 121 OPS+ the last two months or so of the season in the majors, coming off a ludicrous .929 OPS as a 21 year old in AA (with a k rate below 15%), whom I assume is their starting SS if Swanson leaves.
I don’t remember this, based on Whitlock? I don’t even really think leaving him unprotected was much of a mistake (they considered him a SP at the time and he learned a new pitch that spring), let alone what you’re saying.
Go get him IMO. His strikezone discipline and contact numbers have not taken the same trajectory as his results, so I think there's a very good chance he ends up a 100-110 OPS+ type with positive defensive value in RF. He now looks like his 36 HR season was a 2019 juiced ball artifact, but he has respectable XBH pop even without that.
Kepler is in the last year of a five-year extension that still owes him $8.5m and has one option at $10m with a $1m buyout. So I think his AAV would $9.5m.
I just put together a three-team BTV trade that I think could actually happen with PHL, MIN, and BOS, in which we send Hosmer and Verdugo to PHL, Minnesota sends us Kepler and ~$2m, and PHL sends one of several modest prospect packages to the Twins — I didn't work it out in detail, but they have several pieces that could work dealing out of the back half of their top-20.
PHL is one of the few places where Verdugo and Hosmer reflect a considerable defensive upgrade. They trade some of Hoskins power for a 1B who can actually reliably scoop a throw; I think Verdugo would be a great fit in Philly, in particular, both attitudinally and for the ballpark. The Twins get some mid-tier prospects for an outfielder they seem done with.
We get an opportunity to play Hoskins at DH, his true position, and use him sparingly at 1B to protect Casas from the toughest lefties. Kepler gives us a defensive boost in the outfield, and maybe more if I'm right about his offensive potential.
All of this opens up some AAV under the cap to spend on a middle infielder and SP.
Wyatt Mills is an interesting bet on the new pitching sciences. He's a righties who works in and out from a low release point. Not a ton of velo, a very low spin 4-seamer with basically 9-3 spin, and really weird release point. For Wallace, I like it, and I bet Hosmer gets traded in the next 72 hours.
Agreed, there is a plan, and it's a good one. It just requires the ability to find cheap talent, which he's done (Whitlock, Schreiber, Renfroe, Kiki, Strahm, Hill, Wacha).
One has to remember, too, that he's limited by what ownership will allow him to do. Per my recollection, the Red Sox fired Dombrowski because the latter wanted to keep shelling out big-money contracts and ownership decided to go in a different direction. If ownership wanted to sign players to huge contracts, I have no doubt that Dombrowski would still be here.
Straight out of Rays bullpen operating manual in having a wide diversity of arm angles in the bullpen.
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In his brief big league career, he’s been tough on righties (239/361/321), but destroyed by lefties (365/397/596).
Well I think that if this team isn’t good in 2023 and 2024 Bloom will be fired, so he better have a plan.
That 2021 playoff-run team had a damn good middle of the order (OPS+ All around 130) - and added Schwarber- and in my mind (maybe not his) you really need that, so I’m interested to see how he replaces those that are gone or going.
It was yelled out by whateverwools- Sterling and Ormyn (?) - after the WC victory. That Bloom had it all figured out- after losing Betts they still have the overpricedunproductive stand-and-swing Yankees- are being sent home early yet again.
If the Red Sox get Swanson and Kepler (somehow), this will be a very different looking team than what we’re looking at now. And if they can extend Devers, this will have been a very productive off-season. They still need a DH but those are findable.
Is the assumption that Hosmer clears waivers and then they will trade him? I always see DFA as cut and need to step back and think about it.
He'll clear waivers and I assume he'd refuse any minor league assignment so he'll be a free agent.
Looks like he forget to add “and Hoskins to the Red Sox” after the prospect package to Minnesota.
I'm know there's been a lot of salary inflation recently, but it seems to me kind of amazing that a guy that can command 5/75 on the open market brought back such little value 2 years ago when he was a lot cheaper.
The numbers are kinda solid against righties, but even they are really depressed by a crazy amount of walks to guys from the same side of the plate. Like 17 walks against 26 hits.
He'll fit right in.
Yes, exactly. All of this afternoon's grading addled my brain. *melting face emoji*
That they are just inquiring about Rojas now makes me wonder how in depth and thought out the backup plan to replacing Bogaerts is. Or course, who knows if the rumor has any validity to it anyways. Seems like lots of checking in, inquiring, but not much focus or progress.
Fuck it, just call up Marcelo, say, "No pressure for real, just try your best to get a little bit better every day", and roll with it. He's 20, so the fans will go easy on him for a while, I'm sure. If Julio can be a star at 21, Marcelo should have no problems at 20.
Obviously, this is tongue in cheek, but I am way more bullish on Mayer's advancement than a lot of folks.
Obviously, this is tongue in cheek, but I am way more bullish on Mayer's advancement than a lot of folks.
Almost the entire offseason is "recently." Bogaerts signed with the Padres eight days ago.
Oh sure; I would have thought they would have laid the groundwork for possible deals prior to losing Boagerts, having done scenario planning mapping out possible paths to replace him prior to it happening, but maybe that’s not how these things work.
Regardless, Rojas isn’t really a very good player so not so disappointed in that one.
Rojas is an excellent defensive SS and with his line drive rate has a decently high batting average floor. He’d fit well in the backup/utility role we thought Hoy Park might fill as of yesterday. A bit of a stretch as a starter but probably not much different from NYY’s experiment with IKF last year.
[Edit: I confused Rojas’ line drive % with Donovan Solano’s, which is very high, but Rojas is still a solid contact-rate guy with a high xBA)
[Edit: I confused Rojas’ line drive % with Donovan Solano’s, which is very high, but Rojas is still a solid contact-rate guy with a high xBA)
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You don't think they had any plans on what to do if Bogaerts left? The Sox could have called Miami the day after X signed with San Diego and Rosenthal just found out about it. Bloom may not be having a great offseason, but having plan A, B, C and D is pretty much what any competent GM and his staff would have. The plan could have been X, see what Correa wants, check in with Swanson, something else we don't know about, and Rojas later down that list. And he could've been working all of those fallback options after failing to resign X. Heck, he probably did all of that before X resigned but nothing was going to get done until X made his decision.
Question re: Story at SS: has the front office ever once said anything about the possibility of Story in a role other than 2B? A lot of people here seem to think that's a given and I'm not sure if I missed a press conference where they intimated it or something.
They’ve been pretty vague about it; not definitive one way or the other. Here’s the latest.
https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2022/12/red-sox-considering-trevor-story-at-shortstop-despite-arm-concerns-could-still-make-move.html
A little more open to the possibility in quotes here.
https://theathletic.com/3995441/2022/12/12/chaim-bloom-shifting-focus-trades/?source=user_shared_article
Hard to imagine our suddenly penny pitching brain trust wanting to start Mayer's service time clock ticking before he is good and ready.
Besides Bloom did any Sox fan feel like we got a fair return for 18 mil a year?
His stats in Japan are crazy good and the projections have him at a 3 WAR player or so next year. Obviously there is a wider range of outcomes, both positive and negative. But based on the projections, it's certainly fair value - the bigger question is whether or not they actually needed to go that high to get him, or if they were bidding against themselves.
My understanding was that isn’t in question and both the player and the agent confirmed as much.
I wouldn't read too much into a player's first press conference in a foreign country run through an interpreter.
The Boras quote is a bit equivocal - he basically says that different teams place different values on different players and they put a higher valuation on Yoshida but not on Bogaerts. We know the Red Sox were almost certainly the high bidder, of course, but we have no idea by how much.