I fully understand where you are coming from, but the only difference between this and half of the other crap in this thread is that it pertains to Bauer. Well intended as it was, this thread has been a free for all from the get go and the title was changed to reflect so.
The Mos Eisley Model of roster construction. No thank you, some bargains are just not worth it.
Induces projectile vomiting. It might be worth it if only to enjoy the sight of Shank’s head splitting open.
He clearly needs to go to a city where the stands are usually empty and the newspapers are all republished AP stories.
Why does that matter? The league saw fit to suspend him for a year. The Dodgers dropped him like a hot potato. That whatever he did didn't rise to criminal charges doesn't mean he's not entirely too toxic for any club to want to bring on board.
I believe you could google this and find your answer.
They have shrinking cap space and plenty of starters, so there isn't much of a case that this "makes sense." Also if there were a ranking of fanbases who will shut up and cheer for an abusive person, I don't know who it is but Bauer's team should go find them. It's not Boston.
A defensive lineman for Baylor named Shawn Oakman was pretty much a guaranteed first round pick who was accused of sexual assault. Proven innocent years later, found out the girl made it up. By then had given up on NFL and played in the CFL for a couple years. Lost millions of dollars
I’m not going to war for the guy I just don’t think it’s fair to judge a guy until you know the facts.
Bauer himself had admitted to most of the allegations against him. He is disputing consent and liability.
How criminal acquittals should be evaluated by teams is fair game for discussion, but words matter. As far as I know he wasn't "proven innocent" (not that anyone has to be). More imprtnatly though, I can't find anything about the "girl [making] it up." I only looked for a few minutes, but was there some later development where she recanted?
No. Bauer admitted it. What they couldn't prove was "lack of consent". By a woman who had her skull broken while she was unconscious.
I know about Bauer. Dont want him.
Cleveland might work given some Browns' fans antics this year.
I think you raise a tricky subject, what are we supposed to do with reports like this? Your line of approach is straight from the US legal system, but as a society I think we've all been challenged to listen carefully to what women say about sexual assaults by men, because of the obstacles they face to being heard and believed. You are right in that we don't literally know what happened and probably never will, but given the power dynamics between a rich and famous baseball player and an anonymous woman, for her to even come forward is not nothing.
Even outside the sexual assault case (and I'm not trying to minimize that at all), he's had a well-documented history of being an immature shithead. Top of mind is him throwing a temper tantrum on the field after getting pulled from a game and harassing college students via Twitter. I want absolutely no part of him.
The league didn't decide this, an independent arbitrator retained by both the league and MLBPA came to the decision and applied the time that Bauer spent on paid administrative leave (second half of the '21 season) as partial credit for time served. I'm sure the league and the Dodgers are privy to things that neither you or I are aware of and it's also been reported that some members of the clubhouse advocated for cutting ties with Bauer.
He’s always been an insufferable asshole. The allegations are just more icing on the shitty cake. Dude has an illustrious track record of douchebag behavior.
And in so doing the arbitrator must have implicitly ruled that Bauer violated the MLB Domestic Violence policy. Because no violation means a suspension of 0 games.
Let's hope the counter-claims against him in his various defamation suits bear fruit. Pocket draining fruit.
I'm not a real Bauer fan for reasons prior to this incident....and I'm not a fan of brining him in... However, he didnt' admit to most of the allegations against him as you suggest.
Asking because I think you might have some sort of feel for this... Seeing that this arbitrator was retained by both sides here would the MLBPA be privy to info gathered during league and team investigations concerning Bauer? Would they have conducted an investigation of their own? If so, what if anything does this say about the union not backing any further Bauer other than making sure he had MLBPA approved arbitration. There certainly didn't seem to be a groundswell of public support for the guy's innocence.
Well, I think the line to MLBPA's knowledge is pretty short. First, Bauer's a talker, so I'm sure his teammates have heard some shit. Second, Bauer sued his accusers for defamation. Accordingly, 1) truth is a defense, and 2) he's been counter-sued for sexual assault in at least one case by the victim the original story broke around: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/63262440/trevor-bauer-v-lindsey-c-hill/
When are professional athletes going to get a goddamned break in this country?
And again, it’s not like this is the first bit of spotty behavior from Bauer. He has a track record of misogyny and 4chan-style edgelordism. I don’t think it was super surprising that he ended up being accused of criminal acts towards women.
The Red Sox have to operate using the court of public opinion. For that reason alone, Bauer should be a non-starter. Until such time that he's fully exonerated, they shouldn't even talk about it.
Didn't Francona run him out of town after he showed him up on the mound? This is also Francona that put up with Manny Ramirez for several years.
His tantrum on the mound was because he was already headed out of town. He got shellacked in what he knew was his last appearance for Cleveland as it was only a few days before the trade deadline.
My comment was the Sox should have a vetting process that turns over every stone and weighs potential rewards versus know risks. Bauer is a POS. But not sure I trust the court of public opinion alone to make business decisions.
When it's about talent on the field, I'd agree with you. When it's about abusing women, I'll side with the court of public opinion.
Right. I mean, what are the odds of him having actually done what he's been accused of doing that you'd be comfortable with? Or merely not being found guilty is enough to not even enter that conversation? I don't want this guy on my team.
