Red Sox Hot Stove Rumors
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NDame616 said:
Rumour is that MFYs not in the market for top-tier FA. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2263403-yankees-would-be-smart-to-stick-to-plan-of-avoiding-big-name-fas-this-winter. Obviously, none of us have any idea whether this is true - or even if it is true, perhaps an order from the top could change that in a NY minute - but that would certainly depress the market if true.
I don't buy this for a second. They weren't in on A.Rod or Teixeira... things change.wade boggs chicken dinner said:
HangingW/ScottCooper said:
To be fair when they did both they did not have as large of a payroll as they did now and they were far closer to contention. Right now they have ~180 million (195 if Robertson says yes with no money coming off next year) attached to a team that would be lucky to go .500.
I could see the Steinbrenners being gun shy about going over 220 to grab a pitcher who probably wouldn't put them over the edge. The Yankees are not a Jon Lester away from being a World Series contender.
foulkehampshire said:
One, they call on everyone. Just because they called on Jedi does not mean they are interested. They (and any MLB team with any sense) make these calls in part to keep a pulse on the market.
Two: if they are interested, who said they called about him as a SP?
foulkehampshire said:
I wouldn't want Liriano even at the cost of a second rounder or a sandwich pick. We already have Clay Buchholz who is inconsistent and injury-prone. Do we really want to suffer with two guys like that in the rotation? Plus at least one kid in the rotation that's going to have serious ups and downs.
TomRicardo said:
How is this all that different from last offseason before they signed Tanaka?
LondonSox said:
Yes. Train for three months and then let's get it on.
glennhoffmania said:
I think Sabathia, Ellsbury, and McCann are the difference.
I could see looking at Ellsbury and thinking man this guy could be an MVP candidate again in Yankee Stadium. They certainly paid him as much but the power was not there. Sabathia was coming off a bad year but you could think maybe he will rebound. Instead things got worse. Finally they bet McCann was at least going to be average offensively.
You add that to another year on Teixeira and Beltran. Time is against the Yankees. Their youngest position starter right now is going to be 31.
Sure you have Tanaka and Pineda in the rotation but that is it. The team is really really old and completely immovable.
wade boggs chicken dinner said:
Pending sale was on 10/5
Listing removed was on 10/22
So, either the listing was removed because the sale went through (at which point, it would seem the chart would say Sold), or the house was removed from the market
edit: Post in the Lester thread indicates that the house has been sold, according to Registry of Deeds.
TomRicardo said:
I don't see why they'd view their chances of winning a title right now as any worse than they viewed them last year at this time. In both cases they were clearly more than a pitcher away, yet last year they signed Tanaka. This year they may not be relying on CC but they may be relying on Tanaka. They have to think whatever they get out of SS and 2B will be better than 2014. If they sign Headley and McCarthy, I could see them deluding themselves enough to think that they're a Lester or Scherzer away from another title.
glennhoffmania said:
Well, there was that pesky little luxury tax limit to which the MFYs were paying lip service, at least for a while.
Though if I had to guess, the chance to get a top of the rotation starter under the age of 28 outweighed such trivial monetary concerns.
At some point (hopefully not soon) doesn't someone in the MFY organization have to realize that trading draft picks for the rights to overpay players in their 30s is not the greatest way to build an organization? I thought one of the reasons they spent so much money on international signings this year was because they realized how barren their farm system is.
wade boggs chicken dinner said:
Right, but everyone knew that was bullshit and they proved it. My only point was that their situation isn't all that much different in terms of payroll and quality of the roster, so I don't believe for a second that they're not at all interested in any of the top FA pitchers. As far as trading draft picks goes, Lester doesn't have a QO so it wouldn't be an issue.
glennhoffmania said:
I mean if you are the Yankees you have to go for Tanaka no matter what the situation is. He is a 25 year old with ace stuff.
This roster is a lot worse than it was last year. Sabathia is pretty beat up, probably never a top of the rotation pitcher again. McCann is a year older and further into his decline. Beltran, Teixeira, and ARod are further from their prime, pretty much DHs/DLs. Ellsbury, Prado, and Gardner are all coming off very ordinary seasons on the wrong side of 30. They just lost their closer. Kuroda is even older / maybe not coming back. The project a lot worse now because it is harder to say everyone is going to bounce back.
This is not a team that is a Lester away from making a playoff run. They don't have a single person in their line up that had OBP over .330 or a single position player starting that is under 31. Right now the youngest position player is Cervilli, a 28 YO already caught with roids back up catcher. Maybe they can get some young guys on their bench but anyone that showed anything at all in AAA was traded away.
This is a Yankee line up that scored one less run last than the Red Sox. The Red Sox are far more likely to improve on that than the Yankees.
Putting on a contract like Lester's just adds to the problem.
nighthob said:
Of course but they spent 60+ million a year on additional offense and scored 16 less runs.
To re-rout this to Red Sox discussion, it does seem like Marrero is currently sought-after. Who needs a shortstop? Phillies, Oakland, Dodgers maybe if Hanley leaves, Yankees, but that's not happening... whom am I leaving out?
Marrero plus one of the RH starters, Ranaudo/Webster/Barnes/RDLR, for Shark? Not a bad offer. Oakland would likely want more.
Arms. One of the young arms that pitched in ML last year and one of the lower prospects (Mercedes, Ball ?). He'll need an arm to step in for Lester or Samardzija.MakMan44 said:
If Oakland likes Marrero, you could offer Beane a partial do-over on his trading deadline deals: Marrero and Cespedes for Sharknado and Jaso. (Jaso might not be able to catch many games next year, but he wouldn't be coming in as the starter, just a one or two games a week guy who hits lefty.) Oakland gets their cleanup hitter back and a (lesser) SS prospect to make up for the one they traded.MakMan44 said:
Red Sox "all in" on Sandoval per Edes.
http://m.espn.go.com/general/story?storyId=11861086&city=boston&src=desktop&rand=ref~%7B%22ref%22%3A%22http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2Fe6Eqf6TxKO%22%7D
http://m.espn.go.com/general/story?storyId=11861086&city=boston&src=desktop&rand=ref~%7B%22ref%22%3A%22http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2Fe6Eqf6TxKO%22%7D
The Gray Eagle said:
I mentioned this another thread, but I'll reiterate -- I don't think bringing in Jaso as anything but a DH is going to work. Here's a really good article by an A's fan about Jaso. The key passage:
Long story short, trading for Jaso is a bad idea.
Wasn't that a bonus track on the digitally remastered Goodbye Yellow Brick Road?EvilEmpire said:
I'm sure, as a Yankee fan, you do want this deal to happen. As a Red Sox fan, I don't. Not so much because I don't like Sandoval as because the numbers being batted around sound like a serious overpay. I get the concept that Panda makes sense for us because he can slide to DH, but at the same time, when he slides to DH his value plummets. So a team that's signing him with the idea that he's playing 3B for a year or two and then DHing with occasional corner IF starts for the remainder of the deal should not be paying him as if he's a 3B for the duration. And that's what a 6/110 deal for Panda amounts to.
Rudy Pemberton said:
it's been discussed ad nausem Sandoval's positives and weaknesses. It shouldn't be hard to understand that a team can value OBP while also valuing a diverse lineup with players with different strengths . Plus it's not as if Sandoval's OBP is terrible it's just about average if you think he replicates 323 again playing in Fenway instead of San Fran. Considering the black hole 3B has been for the last couple of years even that is very valuable.
I think the Carl Crawford hysterics over the rumored contract are really taking a dismal view.Especially because I seriously doubt his total or AAV gets in that range.
Rudy Pemberton said:
It really doesn't. That team that cared about OBP and long at bats is also the one that traded for Cespedes who is no OBP long at bat guy.
And more to the point, as scoring decreases, the importance of OBP has to decrease relative to SLG.
What was the salary of those guys?DrewDawg said:
A more modest acquisition to improve upon last year's Poopsicle seems like a better strategy. Sandoval is not 100m dollar player.
And his OBP this year was .324 after his walk rate dropped significantly. All while coming into camp in "the best condition of his career" motivated by making a huge contract.DrewDawg said:
Not sure what the 3b OBP was this year, but according to the globe it was .683 OPS. Sandovals was .739.
I think we need to set the bar a little higher than "a bit better than 2013" for the next 6 or so years for the money being asked.
The average OBP for third base this year was .318. For the AL it was .310. You can look it up at baseball-reference.com by clicking on the AL or NL from the standings on the front page, then selecting either one of the leagues or all of MLB near the top of the page and going to batting and then league splits after that.
Nice one thanks for that.Snodgrass'Muff said:
So NL average this year for 3B OBP was .325. SLG was .402
Sandoval: .324, .415
The defensive numbers don't love him either.
I said it in another thread already someplace but I think it's worth repeating. If not for his postseason this year, would Sandoval have anywhere near as much love as he is getting right now?
Don't know where you're getting the defensive numbers from, but he was solid on both FG's and BBR this season.
And probably. Offense at 3rd is generally pretty shitty and Pablo's been pretty solid over his career. Not spectacular, but solid. I don't think he's worth 20 million per, but the numbers being thrown out don't seem like a crazy overpay.
EDIT: Not a big fan at 6 years though.
And probably. Offense at 3rd is generally pretty shitty and Pablo's been pretty solid over his career. Not spectacular, but solid. I don't think he's worth 20 million per, but the numbers being thrown out don't seem like a crazy overpay.
EDIT: Not a big fan at 6 years though.
I fear for the Panda's rapid decline. He's not someone I would want to wager on for good medium to long term results. For 2-3 years sure. Otherwise Hanley > Panda.
Panda looks like a guy that could at any year lose some bat speed and be just straight done. I really don't care that he's done well in the playoffs.
Panda looks like a guy that could at any year lose some bat speed and be just straight done. I really don't care that he's done well in the playoffs.
You certainly cant discount his post season production. Adding in his 2014 post season his 2014 slash line goes from 324/415/739 to 333/420/753, ie a near insignificant decline from his 2013 OPS of 758.
Add in his Ortizian 2012 post season, and his regular season 342/447/789 becomes 349/481/830.
Also his production from around mid May 2014 to the end of the year (including post season) makes me doubt that he is already in a steep decline. In his last 137 games of the year, his BA was .315 and he OPS'd in excess of 800.
Add in his Ortizian 2012 post season, and his regular season 342/447/789 becomes 349/481/830.
Also his production from around mid May 2014 to the end of the year (including post season) makes me doubt that he is already in a steep decline. In his last 137 games of the year, his BA was .315 and he OPS'd in excess of 800.
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