IANAD, and knocking wood, but Crochet is a legitimately big dude — 6’-6” 245. Is there any truth to the old saw that big pitchers tend to be more durable than little guys like Guidry and Gooden or beanpoles like Sale?
Red Sox hook Crochet for Kyle Teel, Braden Montgomery, Chase Meidroth and Wikelman Gonzalez
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5 years right now takes him through his age 30 season. I think that second bite at the free agency/new contract apple is likely important to the player and age 31-32 is probably the latest he wants to get that bite. A 31 year old Crochet could get himself another 7-8 year deal (see Max Fried three days ago). A 33-34 year old Crochet is probably looking at a 2-3 year deal (see Sonny Gray last winter or Eovaldi this week). That first one looks way more appealing, especially if I'm already getting $100M+ on the first multi-year deal.
A 7-8 year deal favors the team if he turns out to be what we hope he is. Letting him get to age 33-34 and potentially allowing him to walk then allows them to avoid the decline years and may just reduce the cost to extend him beyond that if he's already starting to show signs of decline. Only way I see him agreeing to something in the 7-8 year range is if there's an opt-out after year 5 (or 6).
My guess was 6 years at $27-$28 million a year, but I could certainly see a 5/120 with a couple of higher priced option years at the end. Ultimately, though, I can't see someone with his stuff and injury history gambling on two completely healthy seasons.
Did that already happen? Did the White Sox already reach terms with him ahead of the trade?
Joining an illustrious club that includes immortals such as Aaron Cook, Steven Wright, Jeff Suppan, and Richard Bleier. Also true luminaries like Rickey Henderson and Joe Morgan.
I'm glad to know the number. I can get started on crocheting a #35 "jersey" to wear in April!
I was hopeful about Teel being an important major leaguer for the Sox, but it sure is exciting to have a legitimate ace to root for now.
I was hopeful about Teel being an important major leaguer for the Sox, but it sure is exciting to have a legitimate ace to root for now.
I mean, hardly a horse, but if you had acquired and extended Paxton before his age-26 season, you'd have gotten 120 starts of 3.31 FIP over the next seven seasons. Obviously we're hoping for a lot more than that from Crochet. But if that's the bad outcome, it's not terrible.
What'd be terrible would be giving the 6-5, 240 lb Stephen Strasburg 8/$280m at age 30 for 41 starts total (albeit, including a transcendent season and a WS MVP). But a seven-year deal for Strasburg before his age 26 season would have worked out better than Paxton: 137 starts of 3.15 FIP, with five good to great seasons and the last two a total wash.
Ohmigod that is such a good idea.
Unrelated but it did remind me... when I was a student at Syracuse there used to be a woman sitting in the stands known as the "Dome Knitter", who would always knit during basketball games.
Wait, are you telling me a whole university couldn't find the wherewithal to get from there to dome-a-knitrix? Losers.
My wife wants to know why this thread isn't named Sox hook Crochet for Teel, BMont, Meidroth and Wiki
The short answer is that you have excellent taste in spouses and terrible judgement in the sports company you keep.
That's an incredibly nice way of her to tell you that she thinks she'd be a better poster than you are.
I’m hoping some of his pitching techniques rub off on Crawford and Bello. He throws strikes and doesn’t nibble like those two.
This! I want pitchers who throw strikes. If they beat you, they beat you. But, the walks are infuriating.
I was watching some of the highlight reels on Crochet on MLBTV and was so impressed with how he uses the entire strike zone. Guys really can't wait on that one pitch location that some pitchers seem to rely on.
It's easier to throw strikes when you hump it up there at 99 mph and have a slider that moves like two feet. Most guys don't have that kind of stuff and instead have to nibble more.
Buchholz had the pure talent/stuff and even more than Lester IMO, but couldn’t either stay healthy or mentally focused.
Dice-K was difficult to watch. He was always trying to be too fine around the plate and I felt he didn't need to.
Ah, yes. Both belong on that list. Maybe Price too. Either way, Crochet represents a talent level we don’t see too often. Love when SP can pump in 97-98 MPH fastballs.
I don't know the answer to this question: How do we know they are nibbling or whether they just lack better control? (FWIW-Crawford only walked 2.5/9.)
I'll preface this by saying that I love the Crochet acquisition. With that said, if you want to be a pessimist I think Buchholz would be the downside comparison. Crochet could be a guy with elite stuff that can't stay healthy or can't stay consistent... i.e. Lefty Buchholz. As for the upside, it's hard to not think vintage Chris Sale.
And the maybe obvious counterpoint is Clay never posted the kind of K/BB ratio that Crochet did. He had good pure stuff but never became the strikeout guy that he was in the minors, in part because he didn't have a dominant fastball, and the aforementioned nibbling.
Crochet's pure stuff as you said is much closer to Randy Johnson or Chris Sale.
Kind of describes Daniel Bard for that year or so where he was on. Just electric and unfair.
I'll agree on Sale... not ready to say Johnson yet. Johnson is in a class of his own.
I didn't realize Crochet was a Red Sox fan.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/12/13/sports/red-sox-garrett-crochet/
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/12/13/sports/red-sox-garrett-crochet/
Ha, yea me too. The Dome Knitter with a large spool of orange yarn on her lid & Raggedy Ann get-up.
There was also the Dome Ranger, Dome Eddie, & the occasional nitwit that would go as the Saltine Warrior.
I never understood the need to paint your face or play dress up on game day.
People in Boston shouldn't emulate the kooks in Central NY or David Puddy
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67oHmXBLzII
This would seem to be a baseball truth. The corollary is no player gets to have those advantages indefinitely.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that remembers this joke... 2001 World Series sign that Fox quickly cut away from.
