Red Sox Deadline Discussion (nothing is credible) thread

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The Gray Eagle said:
We should be spending today trying to dump Sandoval and Porcello's contracts. It would probably be impossible, but that would be a lot more productive than giving up young talent for the players Baird and company sign off on. Try to fix the mistakes, don't double down on them by giving up young talent to add pieces around them.
The single worst thing to come out of the Punto deal is the delusion that whenever the Red Sox have a high priced contract or two, they can bail themselves out by pulling off another one. It's pure fantasy.
 

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Otis Foster said:
 
Marrero is the second coming of Adam Everett. Why would San Diego ever do that deal unless thee was a first tier prospect in the package?
 

Adam Everett was in Cooperstown last weekend. Still looks like he could play... this of course assumes he could play before.
 

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RGREELEY33 said:
Miley has been a very solid #3 or #4 type starter, why would they move him?
 
Wade Miley's stat line is this:  4.65 era, 88 era+, 1.42 whip, 6.6 k/9
 
The only somewhat encouraging number is his 4.05 fip, which, if that was his era, would put him at about 102 era+.  
 
But in terms of actual production, he's been pretty bad this year, sorry to say.
 

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ivanvamp said:
 
Wade Miley's stat line is this:  4.65 era, 88 era+, 1.42 whip, 6.6 k/9
 
The only somewhat encouraging number is his 4.05 fip, which, if that was his era, would put him at about 102 era+.  
 
But in terms of actual production, he's been pretty bad this year, sorry to say.
 
14 runs in 4.2 IP in April will darken a year.
 

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ivanvamp said:
 
Wade Miley's stat line is this:  4.65 era, 88 era+, 1.42 whip, 6.6 k/9
 
The only somewhat encouraging number is his 4.05 fip, which, if that was his era, would put him at about 102 era+.  
 
But in terms of actual production, he's been pretty bad this year, sorry to say.
It's also encouraging that after his terrible April he's been acceptable (4.14 ERA).
 

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PrometheusWakefield said:
Really? We signed him for $18 million a year because we expected him to be the second worst player in baseball and a win below replacement level?
He has obviously struggled acclimating to a new league and new team, but I would imagine the Sox FO don't think he has forgotten how to play. Again though, why sell at an absolute low where they would most likely have to eat a significant amount of salary, and who the hell would want him without a huge financial subsidy?

Most of this team has sucked and underperformed, and while it is fun to think about dumping everyone and getting a brand new team, it just isn't realistic to think they can dump Sandoval and Porcello etc. at the trade dealine.
 

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Cellar-Door said:
It's also encouraging that after his terrible April he's been acceptable (4.14 ERA).
 
Yep.  But less encouraging has been his July:  6 starts, 5.30 era, 1.54 whip.
 

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I hope in any trade with San Diego that the Red Sox ask for recently promoted to AAA OF Travis Jankowski.  Tremendous defensive CF, a true leadoff hitter(.316/.395/.401 slash line in AA this year), great base stealer(26 this year but had 71 in 2013) and can hit gap-to-gap.  I am a little bias as he is one of my former players.  He is 15-for-28 in his first 7 AAA games.  He could be an upgrade overall on JBJ.
 

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RedOctober3829 said:
So, I saw this tweet on my timeline RT'd by Jimmy Stewart of 98.5.  I scrolled over the Heyman handle and it comes up with a blue checkmark.  Yet, the tweet isn't on Heyman's timeline anymore.  So either this is an elaborate scheme to fake tweet or Heyman deleted it quickly.  Anyone is welcome to click on the link and check out that it came from Heyman's official Twitter account.
 

https://twitter.com/OuttaBoston/status/627144425945346049
link to tweet
You can easily edit a Twitter handle and "fake" a tweet

Just quote a recent persons tweet and edit the the contents and it will look like they tweeted it
 

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RedOctober3829 said:
Delete.  Don't think this is real.  Sorry for confusion.
 
It looks like someone just added Heyman's handle and wrote the rest themselves. Heyman very likely never tweeted that, so yeah, probably not real.
 

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RGREELEY33 said:
Most of this team has sucked and underperformed, and while it is fun to think about dumping everyone and getting a brand new team, it just isn't realistic to think they can dump Sandoval and Porcello etc. at the trade dealine.
How many of us thought that about Crawford and Beckett?
 

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RedOctober3829 said:
I hope in any trade with San Diego that the Red Sox ask for recently promoted to AAA OF Travis Jankowski.  Tremendous defensive CF, a true leadoff hitter(.316/.395/.401 slash line in AA this year), great base stealer(26 this year but had 71 in 2013) and can hit gap-to-gap.  I am a little bias as he is one of my former players.  He is 15-for-28 in his first 7 AAA games.  He could be an upgrade overall on JBJ.
Played for Matt Senk = fundamentals/well-coached.
 

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Clears Cleaver said:
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Pete getting everyone's hopes up??As to the tweet about moving Sandoval to Padres, who once were interested, I was struck by an embarrassingly HOTSPORTSTAKEZ question: would you sacrifice a high end prospect to be rid of Panda. Call it Swihart or Devers plus Panda and $25MM salary relief (call it 5MM/year for 5 years) for Ross.

Means essentially moving Panda for 4/60. We give up a primo prospect to get a young/cost controlled/limited upside starter. But also opens 3B for Hanley and enables a Rusney/JBJ/Mookie outfield.

Apologies for played Tony from Waltham here. I should know better

Edit: Savin puts it better in the next post...
 

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Red(s)HawksFan said:
The single worst thing to come out of the Punto deal is the delusion that whenever the Red Sox have a high priced contract or two, they can bail themselves out by pulling off another one. It's pure fantasy.
 
More specifically, it's fantasy in this case because the Sox don't have the same kind of resources this time around. The reason why the Punto deal worked is because the Sox had a (pretty) good big contract to bundle with the bad ones. LA probably hoped Crawford would snap out of it--and he did, a little--but mostly he was the price of getting Adrian for a modest prospect outlay.
 
We don't have an Adrian Gonzalez this year. We don't have any good contracts, except Pedey (and even that one is a little less shiny than it was a year or two ago). The only thing we would have to offer to compensate a team for the huge risk that Pablo's contract has become would be one of our young cost-controlled players. If we're trading to a contender that means Betts or Bogaerts, because a contender would want somebody who can help now. If we're trading to SD or the Cubs, it wouldn't necessarily have to be one of those two, but it would have to be a top prospect to make the deal worthwhile.
 

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Reggie's Racquet said:
How many of us thought that about Crawford and Beckett?
Those were pretty unique circumstances (new Dodger ownership wanting to make a splash and having huge payroll available) and also involved giving up a real asset in AG. That is of course why some people here are going into this with "let's focus on trading Porcello and Sandoval and maybe even Hanley!" which is just stupid IMO.
 

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Snodgrass'Muff said:
 
Cafardo is seriously mentioning Sandoval and the Giants in the same breath?
He's mentioning an ex team that is having very good 3B production and a team that appears to be currently shedding payroll and in sell mode.
 
He's an idiot.  
 

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Mugsys Jock said:
As to the tweet about moving Sandoval to Padres, who once were interested, I was struck by an embarrassingly HOTSPORTSTAKEZ question: would you sacrifice a high end prospect to be rid of Panda. Call it Swihart or Devers plus Panda and $25MM salary relief (call it 5MM/year for 5 years) for Ross.

Means essentially moving Panda for 4/60. We give up a primo prospect to get a young/cost controlled/limited upside starter. But also opens 3B for Hanley and enables a Rusney/JBJ/Mookie outfield.

Apologies for played Tony from Waltham here. I should know better
I would LOVE this trade. Probably would take another prospy or two though. Only downside to me is whether we could be using the prospects for Carrasco, who I'd say is a somewhat bigger prize than Ross. Also seems likely that Koji and Kimbrel are going to fit in here somewhere.
 

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Wonder if the Padres would try and do something to get out from under Kemp's contract for Sandoval..  That could be one bad contract for another.
And he's only the second worst fielding OF in baseball.
 

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I think it would be insane to trade a prospect of real value just to get rid of Pablo Sandoval.  Trading him for Shields makes slightly more sense, as long as you have an idea for who plays 3B on the 2016 Red Sox.
 

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https://twitter.com/peteblackburn/status/627159905015844864

Take that for what it's worth. He does the podcast with Carrabis
 

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RGREELEY33 said:
He has obviously struggled acclimating to a new league and new team, but I would imagine the Sox FO don't think he has forgotten how to play. Again though, why sell at an absolute low where they would most likely have to eat a significant amount of salary, and who the hell would want him without a huge financial subsidy?

Most of this team has sucked and underperformed, and while it is fun to think about dumping everyone and getting a brand new team, it just isn't realistic to think they can dump Sandoval and Porcello etc. at the trade dealine.
What in the world makes you think this is the "absolute low" value of Sandoval? His contract goes up as he gets older and fatter, to the point where he might well be unable to even cover third base at all soon. A sub-700 OPS fat first baseman with a huge contract is worth less than even a sub-700 OPS third baseman with a huge contract.
 
Sandoval's contract was similar to Crawford's in that both were mistakes from day one with red flags all around, and immediately got even worse as soon as they started playing for the Red Sox.
 
But let's say you're right, that Sandoval is at his absolute low right now and will rebound and is just struggling with adjusting to a new team-- if that has any chance of being true, then why wouldn't any other teams think that way? If any of them do, then it is most certainly not "fantasy" to think that the Red Sox could escape the fat albatross. 
 
The main point is that, as I said in my original post, even though I think it'd be almost impossible to move Sandoval and Porcello today, I much would rather they spend their time pursuing those unlikely avenues, even if nothing happens, than trade valuable young players for even more players that Baird has evaluated.
 
A big trade to bring in players that Baird has picked out could damage us even more in the future. This is not the time to be doubling down on this front office evaluating players.
 
Not making a trade at all is better than making a bad trade.
 

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Rudy Pemberton said:
 
4 years, $33M left. He's only 26 but a career line of 230 / 290 / 384. Decent career #s vs. lefties, no home / road split. 
 
What happened to this guy?
He was never that good.  PCL-fueled, high-BABIP 2012 AAA season was his only big year.  
 

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RedOctober3829 said:
I hope in any trade with San Diego that the Red Sox ask for recently promoted to AAA OF Travis Jankowski.  Tremendous defensive CF, a true leadoff hitter(.316/.395/.401 slash line in AA this year), great base stealer(26 this year but had 71 in 2013) and can hit gap-to-gap.  I am a little bias as he is one of my former players.  He is 15-for-28 in his first 7 AAA games.  He could be an upgrade overall on JBJ.
 
So is there going to be a rule change in the majors that every team can now have 4 outfielders?
 

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Cubs just got Haren though, so who knows if they are still interested in someone from SD/Bos.
 
I would think they, and Boston, both want SP.
 

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Just to preempt any speculation...
 
https://twitter.com/Padres/status/627168937562652673
 


Ian Kennedy has left the team to be with his wife, who is in labor with their 4th child. Despaigne will start tonight's game in his place.
 

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So, is this a deadline deal whereby the Sox trade for the newborn? Does he look toolsey, or drooley?
 

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Green Monster said:
I tried to start a new thread but got an error message.  This thread has drifted a bit from the "credible rumor" so I thought I would add this here;
 
Your thread exists and was rightly mocked elsewhere. Please don't clutter this clusterhump with it