Red Sox acquire C Carlos Narvaez from NYY

sezwho

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He has millions in endorsement income. I promise you he is not choosing a team based on the size of the bonus. If he was aiming to maximize his baseball income, he’d wait two years and sign for hundreds of millions like Yamamoto.
Do you, or anyone here, actually know this? That was a sentence typed without Snark just for the record. How many millions of dollars in endorsements does he pull in, and would it go up or down in say…San Diego? Does not being in Japan limit endorsement value there or would he be appointment viewing? I happened to visit Japan during peak Matsui time and it was amazing.

Listening to the interview with Bradford it’s clear even Wolfe admits to not knowing what motivates his client.

Clearly maximizing income immediately isn’t the top priority, or at least exclusive, as this kid is kicking his hundreds of millions of dollars payday down the road for years (and fatalistically maybe forever?).

However, maybe that’s under the assumption he can get the 5 million he wants in signing then maybe 2 million isn’t enough.

Just thinking we know even less than we think.
 

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I’m no @JM3 but my read on EDC is that he’s a decent lottery ticket type. Not a bad move for the Yanks to get like a $5 scratch off for helping clear their 40 man.

The Sox probably came out a little ahead, but when you factor in the Yanks were going to have to do something to get space on the 40 it’s probably a push.
It seems like we took advantage of their weakness of excess C depth and a 40-man crunch. We also restock out C position following the Teel move to acquire Crochet. All in all I’m a fan of the past two days.
 

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Do you, or anyone here, actually know this? That was a sentence typed without Snark just for the record. How many millions of dollars in endorsements does he pull in, and would it go up or down in say…San Diego? Does not being in Japan limit endorsement value there or would he be appointment viewing? I happened to visit Japan during peak Matsui time and it was amazing.

Listening to the interview with Bradford it’s clear even Wolfe admits to not knowing what motivates his client.

Clearly maximizing income immediately isn’t the top priority, or at least exclusive, as this kid is kicking his hundreds of millions of dollars payday down the road for years (and fatalistically maybe forever?).

However, maybe that’s under the assumption he can get the 5 million he wants in signing then maybe 2 million isn’t enough.

Just thinking we know even less than we think.
I do not know that. But I have read that Ohtani has ~$30m annually in endorsements. I wouldn't imagine Sasaki is approaching that, but it makes sense for it to be a substantial number given his choices. What he gets by coming over now (at the cost of literally hundreds of millions of dollars in salary) is the ability to choose his team: everyone can afford him, so what does he want?
 

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Ohtani is a "unicorn". - Why would a regular pitcher have the same level of endorsements? He's young, a pitcher, and has not ever pitched in the USA. I'm sure his endorsement number is much lower.

But I agree, by coming over now he gets to choose to play for the LAD as is the plan. Just Like Yammy.
 

nvalvo

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Ohtani is a "unicorn". - Why would a regular pitcher have the same level of endorsements? He's young, a pitcher, and has not ever pitched in the USA. I'm sure his endorsement number is much lower.

But I agree, by coming over now he gets to choose to play for the LAD as is the plan. Just Like Yammy.
“I wouldn't imagine Sasaki is approaching that…”
 

loneredseat

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If you haven't read the whole article/ scouting report on him it's worth the read. He sounds like he could be good. How awesome would that be? How much better would it make the Crochet trade look??? Catcher is such in important position, I think. Do they still call the games? Like decide which pitch is thrown when, or is that decided from the dugout now?
 

loneredseat

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TIL that "Carlos Narvaez is not the most physical hen in the coup"

Interesting signing, though. If the Yankees were willing to trade him to us, that tempers my expectations.
I think you could say Wilyer Abreu is not the most physical hen in the coup, too. Same with Jason Varitek.
If he can handle himself behind the plate, control the running game, and pitchers like pitching to him I really don't care so much about anything else.
 

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This is a seemingly small move that I think could end up really helping both teams a lot.

BOS: Even if Narvaez doesn't hit much (and he might), even a defensive catcher automatic out like Austin Hedges I think would really help this current BOS team, if he plays obv. I would guess they have him slated for #3 to start the season and Breslow plans to bring in someone ahead of him, but 3rd Cs usually get a shot at some point. They have control on him for a long time too, not always so easy to get a competent third catcher with options.

NYY: Rodriguez-Cruz is a legit prospect arm, which I didn't realize initially (the trade broke during a Knicks game) but also it gave NY enough money to move a $1.75M commit from the Jan-Dec 2025 class forward, in turn freeing up (this is my educated guess, this is not a very public process even if you dig) that space to move someone from the Jan-Dec 2026 class into the Jan-Dec 2025 class, which then allows them (again just my guess) to sign another QO FA this winter and be able to lose another $1M in the Jan-Dec 2026 period (they already lost $1M for Fried and they are linked to Wandy Asigen, a major get a la Jasson Dominguez).

TL/DR: That 250K in IFA allotment NY got in this deal could be what allows NY to sign a second QO FA this winter following Fried, but since we're talking about 14-16 year olds, it's possible no one will talk about it in those terms for a few years.
 

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Do you, or anyone here, actually know this? That was a sentence typed without Snark just for the record. How many millions of dollars in endorsements does he pull in, and would it go up or down in say…San Diego? Does not being in Japan limit endorsement value there or would he be appointment viewing? I happened to visit Japan during peak Matsui time and it was amazing.

Listening to the interview with Bradford it’s clear even Wolfe admits to not knowing what motivates his client.

Clearly maximizing income immediately isn’t the top priority, or at least exclusive, as this kid is kicking his hundreds of millions of dollars payday down the road for years (and fatalistically maybe forever?).

However, maybe that’s under the assumption he can get the 5 million he wants in signing then maybe 2 million isn’t enough.

Just thinking we know even less than we think.
I was surprised—when looking into this in consideration of Soto possibly playing for us—that baseball players don’t make as much as I expected from endorsements. Ohtani is the unicorn in that respect, as well, but the rest fall far below what I was thinking might be compensation for lower team contract numbers.

https://www.sportico.com/leagues/baseball/2024/mlb-highest-paid-players-2024-shohei-ohtani-yoshinobu-yamamoto-1234771469/

Do players get a share of team merchandise sales when their names are exploited?
 

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This is a seemingly small move that I think could end up really helping both teams a lot.

BOS: Even if Narvaez doesn't hit much (and he might), even a defensive catcher automatic out like Austin Hedges I think would really help this current BOS team, if he plays obv. I would guess they have him slated for #3 to start the season and Breslow plans to bring in someone ahead of him, but 3rd Cs usually get a shot at some point. They have control on him for a long time too, not always so easy to get a competent third catcher with options.

NYY: Rodriguez-Cruz is a legit prospect arm, which I didn't realize initially (the trade broke during a Knicks game) but also it gave NY enough money to move a $1.75M commit from the Jan-Dec 2025 class forward, in turn freeing up (this is my educated guess, this is not a very public process even if you dig) that space to move someone from the Jan-Dec 2026 class into the Jan-Dec 2025 class, which then allows them (again just my guess) to sign another QO FA this winter and be able to lose another $1M in the Jan-Dec 2026 period (they already lost $1M for Fried and they are linked to Wandy Asigen, a major get a la Jasson Dominguez).

TL/DR: That 250K in IFA allotment NY got in this deal could be what allows NY to sign a second QO FA this winter following Fried, but since we're talking about 14-16 year olds, it's possible no one will talk about it in those terms for a few years.
I agree with this take. I like ERC, but I have a feeling the Breslow FO was not nearly as excited about Teel's progression behind the plate, which would leave them (yes, here I go again) with zero catchers in the organization that could be trusted to catch, unless by some miracle there is a catching guru out there that can make Wong about 250% better over one offseason.

I also think trades that benefit both teams lead to a better ability to make deals in the future, either with the same team or with others. I didn't hate the Bloom era drafting (of course, it probably would have been worse, had they fielded a better team), but it's been said a lot of time in a lot of places that Bloom tried too hard to "win" every trade, which I think can lead to both an inability to finish off a trade and a feeling around the league that you are out to swindle other teams so they aren't willing to deal with you.

I am much happier with the way Breslow's transactions have gone over the last 12 months than I was at really any time during Bloom's tenure.