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Did they stop making the CX, or did everyone just buy them all already? I've been thinking about finally upgrading. My Samsung PN50A650 is approaching 12 years old and it's still pretty good but there's some burn-in that I can't make go away anymore (the PS4 DVD/BD pause icon is here to stay).

I wanted to buy from BestBuy since they'd take the old one, but no store anywhere near me has a CX, and they're not showing on Amazon either. BX seems available, would I care about the difference?

I have a receiver, I don't care about speakers or how many HDMI inputs it has. Not a huge gamer - I don't expect I'm missing much playing Miles Morales on my PS4 instead of a PS5.
My buddy is fairly high up in the cell phone division at our main phone company in the province and he spoke to an LG rep earlier this year. Apparently the Black Friday sales that LG put on last year for the 9 series were the most successful they've ever had and totally sold out. I haven't seen a better deal this year than I got last year on my C9, but they are close and I assume LG decided not to discount quite as much and are still selling very strongly.

I love my C9, but a CX would be awesome as well
 

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My buddy is fairly high up in the cell phone division at our main phone company in the province and he spoke to an LG rep earlier this year. Apparently the Black Friday sales that LG put on last year for the 9 series were the most successful they've ever had and totally sold out. I haven't seen a better deal this year than I got last year on my C9, but they are close and I assume LG decided not to discount quite as much and are still selling very strongly.

I love my C9, but a CX would be awesome as well
I've got a B8 that I got Prime Day last year and it's an amazing TV. i'm super picky and was so stubborn to get off plasmas. I'm 100% happy with i it, but I can't imagine anyone being upset with a B9, BX, C9 or CX that's not a complete AV psycho.
 

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I've got a B8 that I got Prime Day last year and it's an amazing TV. i'm super picky and was so stubborn to get off plasmas. I'm 100% happy with i it, but I can't imagine anyone being upset with a B9, BX, C9 or CX that's not a complete AV psycho.
Agreed. I was a plasma only guy as well and I'd been keeping my eye on the OLED's all the way through. Last year felt like the first time they were affordable to me and I love my TV
A year later, I still have "Holy Shit" moments when watching things, especially any HDR content
 

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The 70" Vizio {model M702i-B3} I bought back in 2014 in the old "New HDTV" thread here developed solarization issues recently. I ordered a new t-con board from an outfit in Texas for $14.00 and installed it in about 25 minutes.

FYI, the actual install of the board took about 2 minutes, but taking the tv off its wall mount and then fiddling with the plastic rear cover on the set took most of the time.
 
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I've got a B8 that I got Prime Day last year and it's an amazing TV. i'm super picky and was so stubborn to get off plasmas. I'm 100% happy with i it, but I can't imagine anyone being upset with a B9, BX, C9 or CX that's not a complete AV psycho.
Well now the BX is unavailable as well. Obviously I'm not highly motivated, so I guess I'll wait until after the holidays.
 

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My 8 year old Panasonic plasma has been doing a weird thing the last year or so where colors get crushed so the picture looks like an animated GIF. Unplugging it for a few minutes usually clears it, but it's been happening more and more recently. I just missed the last LG CX at MicroCenter and couldn't find it anywhere else, so I ordered a BX from Amazon. It hasn't shown as shipped yet, but they claim it will be here on Friday.

I figured I'd get a CX since they're close in price. It just didn't look like waiting was going to turn one up any time soon. From everything I've read, there isn't much difference between the two other than brightness and inputs. I'm getting a new HDMI 2.1 receiver and the room it's in gets no direct sunlight, so it's likely I won't notice the difference.
 

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Bought a 55” Samsung Q80T a few weeks ago. It’s for a bright room and its anti-glare screen is PHENOMENAL. Extremely happy with the purchase so far.
 

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My parents are looking for a tv for their 3 season porch. It's going to be mounted in the corner of the room, so it doesn't need to be huge. I'm thinking like 40 inch maybe? Any budget recommendations on one that would work well in sunlight and partially outdoors?
 

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I finally got the new LG BX OLED fully installed and it was a bit of a beast. There are some design decisions that make things more difficult than they should be.

The mounting holes on the back are much smaller than my old Panasonic plasma. And because the top half of the screen is just a .25" thick projection from the housing, the mounting holes are also much closer to the bottom of the back of the TV than any other I've ever seen. It looks amazing on a stand, but makes wall mounting more difficult. I needed to run to Microcenter to grab a new wall mount and put it on the wall 4-5" lower than the existing one.

The two 4k 120Hz HDMI ports, one of which is the ARC port, are the ones on the back of the TV rather than the side. In order for cables to fit correctly in there, you either need to use right angle connectors or bump it out from the wall as much as possible. I ended up using a couple of plastic washers on the mounting brackets to give myself another 3/4" clearance for the cables and it just barely fit them. My old plasma had all the connectors recessed into the side, so it could be mounted as flat against the wall as you wanted. It was a much better design.

The out of the box picture settings are terrible. Just unwatchable with every detail getting totally blown out in brightness. Switching those to "Standard" barely makes a difference. The Pro (Bright Room) setting looks pretty good and I've been using that for cable and the built in apps. Using a PC directly connected and turning on Windows HDR setting makes the Pro setting disappear. I had to go with Cinema and bring down some of the brightness settings to make it look right.

And yes, there are some motion smoothing settings in there which I disabled entirely. It's much more subtle than on some of the TVs from a few years ago, but still looks weird when you're watching a movie.

Overall, don't be afraid of going backwards picture-wise if you already have a plasma. It's at least as good for regular HD content and some of the 4k stuff from Prime Video is amazingly clear. It's definitely not a huge upgrade, but it's not a downgrade that pretty much any LCD technology is.
 

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Go to Ava forum and spend some time on jitter and other settings past the motion stuff that’s obvious. Out of the box I was upset but spent a few hours and it’s an amazing set and i never miss my plasma. The black levels alone make up for any minor minor motion issues
 
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Go to Ava forum and spend some time on jitter and other settings past the motion stuff that’s obvious. Out of the box I was upset but spent a few hours and it’s an amazing set and i never miss my plasma. The black levels alone make up for any minor minor motion issues
Yeah I put on Winter Soldier the other night on my CX and one scene where they dipped to black was so dark the TV looked off. On a regular LCD that is backlight hell.
 

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Definitely appreciate the feedback here from @Max Power and @NortheasternPJ.

My main TV is still a 65" Samsung Plasma F8500, considered by many to have the greatest blacks and picture quality available. I've been thinking about upgrading, but despite not being a snob can't imagine going from plasma to LCD in the living room. (I've got two TCL Rokus in my bed and gym that I'm extremely happy with).

I think the biggest thing for me is there just isn't enough better resolution content to justify an upgrade. Netflix offering 4k is pretty much the only thing I regularly watch. Sports, which I would actually pay extra for higher resolution for is still fucking 720p anyway.
 

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Upgrading from an old 2009 Panasonic 42” to a TCL 55” 5-series QLED, and I’m pretty excited about it. Hard to believe it was on sale for only $399, even knowing it’s from last year. The speed at which this tech gets cheap blows my mind.
 

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Definitely appreciate the feedback here from @Max Power and @NortheasternPJ.

My main TV is still a 65" Samsung Plasma F8500, considered by many to have the greatest blacks and picture quality available. I've been thinking about upgrading, but despite not being a snob can't imagine going from plasma to LCD in the living room. (I've got two TCL Rokus in my bed and gym that I'm extremely happy with).

I think the biggest thing for me is there just isn't enough better resolution content to justify an upgrade. Netflix offering 4k is pretty much the only thing I regularly watch. Sports, which I would actually pay extra for higher resolution for is still fucking 720p anyway.
My main TV had been a 60" Panasonic Plasma from c. 2012, which was based on the old Pioneer Kuro line. I was totally pleased with it and never figured any upgrade would be worth it. But I recently had to do a TV shuffle and demoted the plasma into the basement and replaced it with a 65" Sony 4k OLED A8H, and there is a subtle but noticeable difference in standard/HD cable programming and 1080p content discs/streams. And it handles reflections better than the plasma.
 

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I finally got the new LG BX OLED fully installed and it was a bit of a beast. There are some design decisions that make things more difficult than they should be.

The mounting holes on the back are much smaller than my old Panasonic plasma. And because the top half of the screen is just a .25" thick projection from the housing, the mounting holes are also much closer to the bottom of the back of the TV than any other I've ever seen. It looks amazing on a stand, but makes wall mounting more difficult. I needed to run to Microcenter to grab a new wall mount and put it on the wall 4-5" lower than the existing one.

The two 4k 120Hz HDMI ports, one of which is the ARC port, are the ones on the back of the TV rather than the side. In order for cables to fit correctly in there, you either need to use right angle connectors or bump it out from the wall as much as possible. I ended up using a couple of plastic washers on the mounting brackets to give myself another 3/4" clearance for the cables and it just barely fit them. My old plasma had all the connectors recessed into the side, so it could be mounted as flat against the wall as you wanted. It was a much better design.

The out of the box picture settings are terrible. Just unwatchable with every detail getting totally blown out in brightness. Switching those to "Standard" barely makes a difference. The Pro (Bright Room) setting looks pretty good and I've been using that for cable and the built in apps. Using a PC directly connected and turning on Windows HDR setting makes the Pro setting disappear. I had to go with Cinema and bring down some of the brightness settings to make it look right.

And yes, there are some motion smoothing settings in there which I disabled entirely. It's much more subtle than on some of the TVs from a few years ago, but still looks weird when you're watching a movie.

Overall, don't be afraid of going backwards picture-wise if you already have a plasma. It's at least as good for regular HD content and some of the 4k stuff from Prime Video is amazingly clear. It's definitely not a huge upgrade, but it's not a downgrade that pretty much any LCD technology is.
I was debating between the Sony A8H and the LG CX. The prices were comparable during BF week. I ultimately went with the Sony. Even though it lacks true HDMI 2.1, I will not be doing any gaming on it. And according to reviews it sounds like the processing is a bit better on the Sony. The LG seems to be the choice if you're doing high end gaming, Sony if your focus is just tv/movies. But they are quite similar overall according to most reviews, which makes sense since LG makes the panels for both. Fortunately there were none of the out of the box quirks with this one. Installation was super easy. I put mine a VESA stand because the enclosed blade stand would not fit on my tv stand. The default settings are pretty much fine, but I tweaked them based on AVSforum recommendations. I bought mine from BestBuy when it went on sale, with the Geeksquad warranty-- apparently this is the only warranty which will cover OLED burn in. But I came very, very close to buying the LG CX from Costco when it was on sale.
 

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It's definitely not a huge upgrade, but it's not a downgrade that pretty much any LCD technology is.
2009 Sammy 50" plasma bit the dust, but it lived a good life: 3 Lombardis, 2 Commissioner's Trophies, and a Stanley Cup.

Was ready to pull trigger on an LG OLED 65" but just read I should be shopping for a much larger screen based on my viewing distance (14 ft.)

Given this distance, if you had $2K to spend, would it be on a 80" LCD or a 65" OLED?
 

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2009 Sammy 50" plasma bit the dust, but it lived a good life: 3 Lombardis, 2 Commissioner's Trophies, and a Stanley Cup.

Was ready to pull trigger on an LG OLED 65" but just read I should be shopping for a much larger screen based on my viewing distance (14 ft.)

Given this distance, if you had $2K to spend, would it be on a 80" LCD or a 65" OLED?
At that distance unless it's a very bright room I'd go with a projector, such as the BenQ TK850 (which is super bright, 4K/HDR, and comes in around $1500 currently). You can easily support a 100-120" screen at 14'.
 

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2009 Sammy 50" plasma bit the dust, but it lived a good life: 3 Lombardis, 2 Commissioner's Trophies, and a Stanley Cup.

Was ready to pull trigger on an LG OLED 65" but just read I should be shopping for a much larger screen based on my viewing distance (14 ft.)

Given this distance, if you had $2K to spend, would it be on a 80" LCD or a 65" OLED?
Coming from a plasma, you will be annoyed by a LCD. Yes it will look nice doing 4k HDR compared to what you have had, but its limitations on blacks, bleed, viewing angles, etc. will also get on your nerves given your plasma background.

14ft distance for a 65" isn't that bad.

Or you can get a 77" LG OLED for a net cost of about $3100 pre-tax
https://www.buydig.com/shop/product/LGOLED77CXPUA/
 
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At that distance unless it's a very bright room I'd go with a projector, such as the BenQ TK850 (which is super bright, 4K/HDR, and comes in around $1500 currently). You can easily support a 100-120" screen at 14'.
I thought of a projector first, but am concerned about bulb life. This set will be my 'daily driver' I'll be logging 3 to 4 hours a day (longer if Colten Brewer sticks around). Would be looking at a $250-$500 bulb every 18 months by my calculations.
 

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If you're already used to watching a 50" TV at 14 feet, then going to 65" will still be a pretty big difference even if you're not technically close enough to discern 4k from standard HD content.
 

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I thought of a projector first, but am concerned about bulb life. This set will be my 'daily driver' I'll be logging 3 to 4 hours a day (longer if Colten Brewer sticks around). Would be looking at a $250-$500 bulb every 18 months by my calculations.
They're rated at 4,000 hours in normal mode, so at 3–4 hours a day that's about 3 years per bulb. And they're under $200 to replace currently, so you're looking at 9 years of use for about $1900 all-in with the included bulb and 2 replacements. Realistically less, as the bulbs generally come down in price over time.

It is worth replacing the bulb at EOL, though: you can push them longer but image brightness/quality is degraded.
 

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They're rated at 4,000 hours in normal mode, so at 3–4 hours a day that's about 3 years per bulb. And they're under $200 to replace currently, so you're looking at 9 years of use for about $1900 all-in with the included bulb and 2 replacements. Realistically less, as the bulbs generally come down in price over time.

It is worth replacing the bulb at EOL, though: you can push them longer but image brightness/quality is degraded.
I just got an Epson projector installed last week. I was told bulb replacement at around 2,500 hours. One other thing I'd add is that the difference in quality with lights on vs off is dramatic. If you have any light at all in the room you're aiming for I think I'd recommend against a projector...
 

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Well fuck me. My 16 month old LG 55” OLED just showed a bright vertical blue line and won’t turn on. They better do right by this or this is the last tv I’d buy from them. Unreal.
 

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Just got off the phone with them, they'll cover it if I can get a quote from an authorized place to repair it. Just called one guy and he told me it was too expensive to replace. Called another guy, sent him a video and he's writing me up a formal quote for $1000 for the panel and $150 for the labor. He didn't even hint to me it'd just be better to buy a new one, but is more than happy do it.

TV only cost me $999, so the CC company is going to give me the $999 and tell me to go buy a new one once it's all done.

Just ordered a new BX for $1297 to be delivered Christmas Eve. There's not a whole lot of inventory out there right now, not surprisingly.
 

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Just got off the phone with them, they'll cover it if I can get a quote from an authorized place to repair it. Just called one guy and he told me it was too expensive to replace. Called another guy, sent him a video and he's writing me up a formal quote for $1000 for the panel and $150 for the labor. He didn't even hint to me it'd just be better to buy a new one, but is more than happy do it.

TV only cost me $999, so the CC company is going to give me the $999 and tell me to go buy a new one once it's all done.

Just ordered a new BX for $1297 to be delivered Christmas Eve. There's not a whole lot of inventory out there right now, not surprisingly.
Win from the credit card company, but you're going with another LG?
 

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I'm not going anything but OLED so that really only left it down to the LG or a Sony. The Sony was $400 more expensive, has lower response times and the design of it won't allow me to have a cable box where the tv is located. The TV's in a 2.5 inch deep cabinet, with the cable box on a flush wall mount hidden behind it.

I did get one that came with a free second year of warranty on it so I'm going to take a gamble. Normally, I would have told LG to f' off and gone somewhere else.
 

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I'm not going anything but OLED so that really only left it down to the LG or a Sony. The Sony was $400 more expensive, has lower response times and the design of it won't allow me to have a cable box where the tv is located. The TV's in a 2.5 inch deep cabinet, with the cable box on a flush wall mount hidden behind it.

I did get one that came with a free second year of warranty on it so I'm going to take a gamble. Normally, I would have told LG to f' off and gone somewhere else.
I was pretty shocked at the poor build quality of the LG when I got it a few weeks ago. The chassis and stand on this $1,200 TV are light flexible plastic, a night and day difference between the mostly metal Panasonic plasma it replaced and the higher quality plastic Sharp HDTV I got back in 2004. Exterior quality doesn't necessarily correlate to electronic component quality, but as I was hanging the thing, I got the feeling it would last much less than the 8 years of its predecessors.
 

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I'm not going anything but OLED so that really only left it down to the LG or a Sony. The Sony was $400 more expensive, has lower response times and the design of it won't allow me to have a cable box where the tv is located. The TV's in a 2.5 inch deep cabinet, with the cable box on a flush wall mount hidden behind it.

I did get one that came with a free second year of warranty on it so I'm going to take a gamble. Normally, I would have told LG to f' off and gone somewhere else.
Vizio makes an OLED set as well, although I can't vouch for features, picture, build quality, etc. But they are a few hundred cheaper than a comparable LG model.
 

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According to 2019 figures, LG sold over 2.6 million OLED TVs, roughly half the sales of all Samsung QLED sets for the year. If LG designs or current engineering has basic flaws, and considering developments in both technologies have been evolutionary over the last few years, if there was inherently anything wrong with the LGs consumers would know and recalls would be extensive. To avoid a brand simply because one got a lemon is simply irrational, all TVs have some that are subject to less than perfect assembly. Only one company makes all the basic OLED panels: LG. Based on the history and marketing strategy of Vizio, throughout it's existence, the odds that they are obtaining anything but the lowest quality panels allowed to leave that factory are pretty much nil....
 

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According to 2019 figures, LG sold over 2.6 million OLED TVs, roughly half the sales of all Samsung QLED sets for the year. If LG designs or current engineering has basic flaws, and considering developments in both technologies have been evolutionary over the last few years, if there was inherently anything wrong with the LGs consumers would know and recalls would be extensive. To avoid a brand simply because one got a lemon is simply irrational, all TVs have some that are subject to less than perfect assembly. Only one company makes all the basic OLED panels: LG. Based on the history and marketing strategy of Vizio, throughout it's existence, the odds that they are obtaining anything but the lowest quality panels allowed to leave that factory are pretty much nil....
I agree with you overall which is why I bought another LG. I'm not a huge fan of LG the brand or company, but their work in panels have been great. I'm pissed the TV died after 17 months, but I loved the set when it worked. In this situation where there are no real viable alternatives, I do not consider Vizio an alternative, and the Sony is more expensive and has poorer performance, there was no decision to make. That's without considering my space limitations. If this was a plasma in 2012, I would probably have left Samsung and paid more for a great Panasonic, but it's not. I'm not going to QLED or anything else at this point until something better or equal to OLED comes out.
 

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I agree with you overall which is why I bought another LG. I'm not a huge fan of LG the brand or company, but their work in panels have been great. I'm pissed the TV died after 17 months, but I loved the set when it worked. In this situation where there are no real viable alternatives, I do not consider Vizio an alternative, and the Sony is more expensive and has poorer performance, there was no decision to make. That's without considering my space limitations. If this was a plasma in 2012, I would probably have left Samsung and paid more for a great Panasonic, but it's not. I'm not going to QLED or anything else at this point until something better or equal to OLED comes out.
I am holding on to both my Panny plasmas for dear life. The downstairs 42 has few hours on it, the 55" in my bedroom was purchased in June of 2009 and is generally on easily 14 hrs a day without any issues. It still looks OK though, of course, it's undoubtedly much dimmer than when new. The 'next' technology is in development and will solve the major issues: Bright blue QLED derivative will use lens coatings to simulate the other colors, they will balance out, will not have OLED burn-in issues and will be individually controlled, not zoned, so true blacks will be possible. The first outrageously priced available sets should be shipping in less than 3 years.
 

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I am holding on to both my Panny plasmas for dear life. The downstairs 42 has few hours on it, the 55" in my bedroom was purchased in June of 2009 and is generally on easily 14 hrs a day without any issues. It still looks OK though, of course, it's undoubtedly much dimmer than when new. The 'next' technology is in development and will solve the major issues: Bright blue QLED derivative will use lens coatings to simulate the other colors, they will balance out, will not have OLED burn-in issues and will be individually controlled, not zoned, so true blacks will be possible. The first outrageously priced available sets should be shipping in less than 3 years.
Should be interesting we've tried so many QD mixes, none have worked quite as nice as Nitride or Silicate phosphors but we'll keep trying.
 

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I am holding on to both my Panny plasmas for dear life. The downstairs 42 has few hours on it, the 55" in my bedroom was purchased in June of 2009 and is generally on easily 14 hrs a day without any issues. It still looks OK though, of course, it's undoubtedly much dimmer than when new. The 'next' technology is in development and will solve the major issues: Bright blue QLED derivative will use lens coatings to simulate the other colors, they will balance out, will not have OLED burn-in issues and will be individually controlled, not zoned, so true blacks will be possible. The first outrageously priced available sets should be shipping in less than 3 years.
I've yet to see any actual burn in issues on an OLED, at least not like plasmas. I still have a final generation Pioneer Kuro (no burn in) and a final generation Panasonic plasma (no burn in). I understand it can happen in certain situations, especially like you said, 14 hours a day, but through all 3 of these TV's that everyone says should have burn in issues, none of them have any hint of it
 

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I've yet to see any actual burn in issues on an OLED, at least not like plasmas. I still have a final generation Pioneer Kuro (no burn in) and a final generation Panasonic plasma (no burn in). I understand it can happen in certain situations, especially like you said, 14 hours a day, but through all 3 of these TV's that everyone says should have burn in issues, none of them have any hint of it
Neither of my Pannys show any signs of burn-in and I bothered to check the internal clock on my 55": it has 51,000 hours on it....
 

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That's impressive. I know mine aren't close to that

I like this RTings video on the OLED burn in
View: https://youtu.be/nOcLasaRCzY
I bought a used 55" OLED (LG 55EC9300) real cheap because of some burn-in. Under normal viewing, it manifests as a yellow tint in the center of the screen, but it's not that bad. When running test patterns, there's a pretty clear SyFy logo among other artifacts.

The picture quality and contrast is still great and has me sure I'll buy another now that they have better controls around preventing burn-in.