Rebuild the Pats: a thread for fake trades, pipe dreams, and semi-plausible hallucinations

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First ground rule: this not a thread for nay-sayers, pox-on-everyone's-first-born cynics, and harsh realists

This is a thread for folks who want to give their mental health a little balm by imagining scenarios where the Pats don't completely suck next year

So, post your off-season scenario of trades / free agent signings / draft picks that make the Pats significantly better next year

Second ground rule: Modest amounts of good luck are allowed, but only so much. Prospects can slide a short distance in the draft; free agents can sign market-rate deals with us instead of other teams; teams can choose to trade us something if it's a fair deal and they have plausible reasons for doing so; trades of draft picks need to make sense for the other team and be within 3-4% of equivalent value.

Keep in mind the old Hollywood script-writers line: "You can use really unlikely events to get your protagonist into danger, but not to get them out. The first is bad luck. The second is cheating."

If I think of a third ground rule, I'll come back and add it


OK, here's one to get us started...

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Free agency
  • After rumors linking them to every free agent who wanted more money, the Pats open the off season with a bang, signing Tee Higgins to a ~$25-30M/per deal
  • They try and fail to sign any of the top offensive tackles, who mostly resign with their prior teams. In the end, they lure 34-year-old Tyron Smith away from the Jets on a two-year deal
  • After protracted back-and-forth they also sign Asante Samuel Jr. to a 4-year/~$70M deal to start opposite Gonzo. (Shortly after this signing his dad is caught on live mike saying "*Now* they're willing to pay?")
  • The final notable addition is Azeez Ojulari, who leaves the Giants when he sees how nonexistent the Pats depth at outside LB is. "I'm tired of coming off the bench. I wanna go somewhere I'm going to play," he explains at his first press conference
The Draft
  • Things get crazy in the final days before the draft when it's leaked that the Cleveland Browns-- disappointed with the lack of talent and QBs in this class and prepared for an hopefully-entertaining-at-least 'bridge' year with Jameis providing more melodrama-- trade DeShaun Watson into the Pat's cap space, along with the #8 and #39 picks, for Dugger, Godchaux (~$23M annually to both), and future draft assets. The Pats immediately cut Watson and take the ~$75M one-time cap hit.
  • Just before the first round starts New England then trades it's top 3 pick to Chicago for the #9, #35, and #41
  • With the #8 and #9 picks the Patriots take
    • Mason Graham (DT/DE/D-everywhere)
    • Will Campbell (probably iOL) LSU
  • Then, in the second half of the first round New England packages the #35, #50 and some day-three picks to move back into the 20s (also getting a pick around 60) and select
    • Josh Simmons ('no question has the tools to play' OT) Ohio State
  • With their three remaining picks between the #39 and #60ish, the Pats select
    • Wyatt Milum (unclear, but probably iOL),
    • Landon Jackson (big, angry, and bald)
    • Elic Ayomanor (xWR)
  • With the team's picks after #60 they assemble a collection of ++tools athletes with high ceilings who need development work but with better technique easily project as NFL starters. None of these guys get significant playing time with the starters in 2025, but they make significant progress on the stuff they gotta work on...
    • Darien Porter (CB)
    • Charles Grant (OT)
    • Smael Mondon (wLB)
    • Oronde Gadsden (TE)
The Rest of the Offseason

Miraculously, we go into next season healthy and with a bunch of our younger vets (esp. Maye, Strange, Barmore, Bentley) poised for career years...

2025 Offensive Depth Chart (rookies in blue, new vets in green):
  • Pass - Maye
  • Block -
    • LT - Tyron Smith
    • LG - Will Campbell
    • C - Cole Strange
    • RG - Onwenu
    • RT - Josh Simmons
    • Flex T/iOL - Lowe, Wyatt Milum, Wallace
  • Run - Rham, Gibson
  • Catch -
    • zWR - Tee Higgins
    • yTE - Henry, Hooper
    • xWR - Ayomanor
    • slot - Pop
2026 Defensive Depth Chart
  • Crush -
    • DT: Barmore
    • DE: Jennings
    • Either/Both: Mason Graham, Landon Jackson
    • oLB/Edge: White, Azeez Ojulari
  • Smash -
    • mLB: Bentley, Elliss
    • wLB: Tavai
    • wLB/S: Peppers
  • Run -
    • edge CB: Gonzo, Asante Samuel Jr
    • zone DB/S: Jones, Pettus

That team feels a lot better on defense, and with a functional offensive line like it has potential to be a lot more competitive overall. Maybe not a playoff team, but solidly .500

Tyron Smith buys us a year or two to see if any of Will Campbell, Josh Simmons, or Wyatt Milum will be the longer-term answer at LT. Either way, all three of those rookies played a bunch of line positions in college, and their collective present/future flexibility is a big part of their appeal. Similarly, the fact that Graham and Jackson pay with pretty crazy motors and all over the defensive line should help that group a lot.

Obviously, most of that ain't gonna happen. Especially the whole Cleveland Deshaun Watson trade thing.

But it's fun to pipe dream about.




Edit/update: Clearly, I can't count to two very well, since I had two different first ground rules and no second ground rule
 
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Free Agency-
Alaric Jackson- 4/$78M (57M guaranteed)
Azeez Ojulari- 3/33M
Kristian Fulton- 3/$21M
Marcus Maye- 2/$6M (2.5M guarantee)
Obviously fill out some bench spots as well, but those are the big ones.

Trade-
Tee Higgins (word is he'll get a 2nd tag now)- #78 and #107 for #111 Sign him to a $5/$152M contract.

Draft:
Did 2 mocks on different sites accepting offers but never making them through the acquired pick 111 (112 on one site).

#1 Traded down with Browns:
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#2 traded down with the Bears
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Free Agency-
Alaric Jackson- 4/$78M (57M guaranteed)
Azeez Ojulari- 3/33M
Kristian Fulton- 3/$21M
Marcus Maye- 2/$6M (2.5M guarantee)
Obviously fill out some bench spots as well, but those are the big ones.

Trade-
Tee Higgins (word is he'll get a 2nd tag now)- #78 and #107 for #111 Sign him to a $5/$152M contract.

Draft:
Did 2 mocks on different sites accepting offers but never making them through the acquired pick 111 (112 on one site).

#1 Traded down with Browns:
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#2 traded down with the Bears
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If the Bengals tag and trade Higgins, I’d have to think a 2nd rounder would be on the table from someone. 78 overall seems too low
 

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If the Bengals tag and trade Higgins, I’d have to think a 2nd rounder would be on the table from someone. 78 overall seems too low
Christ, did you even read the ground rule?

Eff trading down, I'm all on board the Travis Hunter train. He understands offense, he understands defense, and after Mayo gets canned he's going to be the first player/head coach in the NFL since Ernie Nevers. After a decade coaching the Pats, and catching passes from 3x SB MVP Drake Maye, he'll convert full-time to safety.
 

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If the Bengals tag and trade Higgins, I’d have to think a 2nd rounder would be on the table from someone. 78 overall seems too low
Possible for sure, just going off speculation, he could also not be available or not get tagged at all... It's too early to say. . I wouldn't trade a 2nd. Its just an outline anyway. Replace him with Cooper on a lower number and grab an extra 3rd or swap the trade to a different WR.
 

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Edit: rereading the ground rules, this is really about the draft, trades and free agency so my post about replacing Covington with say Steve B or Anarumo wasn’t relevant here.

Fun thread!
 
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Christ, did you even read the ground rule?
In fairness, he might have been confused, because looking back I seem to have included two "first" ground rules, and no second ground rule. Because counting to two is apparently hard for me

Maybe he thought it was a 'pick one of the two first ground rules to follow' sort of a thing?
 

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Christ, did you even read the ground rule?

Eff trading down, I'm all on board the Travis Hunter train. He understands offense, he understands defense, and after Mayo gets canned he's going to be the first player/head coach in the NFL since Ernie Nevers. After a decade coaching the Pats, and catching passes from 3x SB MVP Drake Maye, he'll convert full-time to safety.
I'd co-sign this reality.

Great thread!
 

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In fairness, he might have been confused, because looking back I seem to have included two "first" ground rules, and no second ground rule. Because counting to two is apparently hard for me

Maybe he thought it was a 'pick one of the two first ground rules to follow' sort of a thing?
I mean, whether it's rule 1 and 2, or 1a and 1b... He broke them both! Negativity AND not allowing for a bit of good luck! That's pretty impressive for a 2 sentence post.

I miss Bill Belichick. With Bill at GM, we found legit players in strange places, like Jakob Johnson from NFL Europe, and Stephen Neal out of the Foxboro High wrestling team. The right amount of mushrooms and you could legit hallucinate about how much fun he'd have coaching up a Yokozuna into a pro bowl right guard. With Mayo and Wolf, semi-plausible feels a lot more limiting.
 

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Edit: rereading the ground rules, this is really about the draft, trades and free agency so my post about replacing Covington with say Steve B or Anarumo wasn’t relevant here.

Fun thread!
I didn't mean to limit it to just those things

I'd feel free to toss anything out there-- in the range of the semi-plausible-- that would make the team materially better next year
 
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Tee Higgins for five years at 28.5 mill per year
Carlton Davis for four years at 15 mill per year

TRADE:

Our #3 overall to #7 overall and DRAFT:

LT Will Campbell at #7
WR Luther Burden in the 20s (with the draft capital from that trade, their own 2nd rounder and ATL's 3rd we got for Judon)
OT Josh Simmons in the mid second round (with the 2024 3rd rounder plus future 3rd rounder)

edit: clarification and specificity
 
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SIGN:

Tee Higgins for five years at 28.5 mill per year
Carlton Davis for four years at 15 mill per year

TRADE:

Our #3 overall to #7 overall and DRAFT:

LT Will Campbell at #7
WR Luther Burden in the 20s (with the draft capital from that trade, their own 2nd rounder and ATL's 3rd we got for Judon)
OT Josh Simmons in the mid second round (with the 2024 3rd rounder plus future 3rd rounder)

edit: clarification and specificity
Who is giving up a 2nd for a 3rd and future 3rd? That seems light. And Burden in the 20’s and Simmons in the 2nd would be steals
 

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So, now the Falcons are another team that might want to trade an old, expensive, and failed QB into someone's cap space

Seeing on the new-fangled social media thing that if the Falcons cut Kirk Cousins outright they take a $65m dead money hit. If they trade him they take a ~$37M hit and the other team pays the other ~$28M.

People who follow the NFC South more than I do should weigh in, but my impression from a distance is that Atlanta's biggest issue is that their defensive line is like our offensive line. Their recent draft picks haven't worked out and so they're playing practice squad guys starter-level snaps. They can't stop the run or rush the passer.

So, there's a potential deal where
  • We take Cousins' salary off their books and cut him
  • We send them one or two replacement-level vet journeymen for DLine depth (Godchaux, Wise, could I interest the fine gentlemen in a Yannick?)
  • They send us 2025 and/or future picks
Too bad the trade deadline has passed or they might be all over this for the playoff push

Hopefully they're not too bent out of shape about the last Patriot they gave up a pick for immediately falling off a cliff...