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The Denver Broncos select John Hughes, DT
 

 
A third-round pick by the Browns in 2012, he quickly earned a starting role on the Cleveland defensive line and came up with 3 sacks in his rookie season.  His quick start to the season faded, and he finished the season with a few subpar games, but that's not too abnormal for a rookie defensive lineman.  He should be a solid addition to our young defensive line.
 
PMing Saturnian now.
 

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Dollar said:
The Denver Broncos select John Hughes, DT.
I'm disappointed. No Ferris Bueller reference? Breakfast Club? National Lampoons? Sixteen Candles? Anything?

Joking aside I looked at Hughes a few rounds ago. He's a good pick here.
 

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Sorry, I did get a PM yesterday, but have been too busy re-watching and reading about the Bruins game on a loop to decide on a place kicker.  Will pick shortly, but anyone who is actually prepared can pick.
 

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Going to post my final two picks now since Saturnian already has filled both of these positions, so I don't feel bad jumping him.  Short writeups as I don't have a lot of time. 
 
With their final two selections in the draft, the Minnesota Vikings select:  Chris Hairston, LT and Denard Robinson, UTIL
 

 
Quick writeup:  Hairston was a relatively unheralded 4th Round pick in 2011, but he played well enough to start this season (even taking over at LT for a few games until Cordy Glenn proved he was ready) and seemed to have settled into the starting RT spot when an ankle injury derailed his season in December.  I had originally planned to grab an older stopgap player here who could be counted on to provide league average protection at LT until I could address this position in later years - but when looking for someone still available I came across Hairston.  At this point, I think he's as good of a gamble going forward as an over-30 league average tackle.  And we can still always try to address this position via FA or the Draft next year.
 

 
Quick writeup:  I was totally going to go in another direction here.  FB, TE, someone to help solidify the blocking of our unproven O-Line.  But those picks aren't sexy - and so I rationed that I have a decent change of grabbing one of them later if we do a supplemental draft, or next year.  Robinson is a potential playmaker, and I think he fits pretty well in the dynamic "smokescreen" offense we'll have to run. Kidding aside, his ability to line up in the backfield or out wide, to run or catch, makes him a bigger version of McCluster.  With a rookie QB in Manuel - I like the idea that on any given play we can option one (or more) of those guys to carry, run a route, or take a pitch in the backfield.  Combined with the Williams duo outside, it's feasible we could shift from Brown or Bush in the backfield with Cook playing on the line and one of McCluster or Robinson either in the slot or backfield, to a 4 or 5 wide formation (splitting out Cook, McCluster/Robinson, and Bush).  With the inexperience and rawness of Manuel in the backfield - I figured that the best way to help him (other than a solid O-Line, a ship that sailed long ago) was to surround him with dynamic playmakers who can play multiple roles. 
 

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The Saints select PK Matt Bryant
 

 
Yeah, he's old, but he still boasts a strong leg, connecting on 4 of 4 attempts from 50+ last year.  And the ball is going to travel in the dry air and altitude in Las Vegas, so he's sure to enjoy a career resurgence
 
I have one last pick to make, but not sure when I will be able to make it, so I'll PM Dollar
 

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SMU_Sox said:
Waldman says: "haven't studied him enough to say bad or good. Good potential on field. Off-field has derailed relationship with Raiders."
 
I've seen very mixed reports on his play the past 2 years. But... At this point who knows. It may work out.
 
 
DaughtersofDougMirabelli said:
Well he's no longer with the Raiders...
 
 
SMU_Sox said:
 
Basically the gist of it was he was a thumper as a MLB and struggled immensely in pass coverage. PFF liked him as a run stopper but other people said he wasn't all that effective. The only consensus was that he had serious off the field issues.
 
I felt like DoDM took too much of a risk in him but it was a later round pick. It's amazing to me how someone can ruin their life so easily.
 

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Basically the gist of it was he was a thumper as a MLB and struggled immensely in pass coverage. PFF liked him as a run stopper but other people said he wasn't all that effective. The only consensus was that he had serious off the field issues.
 
I felt like DoDM took too much of a risk in him but it was a later round pick. It's amazing to me how someone can ruin their life so easily.
DoDM shouldn't feel bad; Mike Tanier in the RFP draft took Titus Young in like round 12.
 

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This was also before he got arrested... again.
 
Yes I should have seen it coming, but all reports I read were he was changing his life around. There weren't many good ILB left, and I think I got a pretty good backup in Nico Johnson for him anyways.
 
I was dead wrong, and think it's my worst pick by far. But taking a chance and having your worst pick in round 22 isn't too bad. 
 

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No not at all. Maybe he comes out of retirement. This is a very sad story but not all that uncommon in the nfl.
 

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DaughtersofDougMirabelli said:
This was also before he got arrested... again.
 
Yes I should have seen it coming, but all reports I read were he was changing his life around. There weren't many good ILB left, and I think I got a pretty good backup in Nico Johnson for him anyways.
 
I was dead wrong, and think it's my worst pick by far. But taking a chance and having your worst pick in round 22 isn't too bad. 
 
I think it was a worthy gamble.  The guy can play well, we've seen it before.
 
I like your team, so I agree he was probably the worst pick you had, but you backed him up well and I'm sure you'll get a shot at a UDFA to replace him at the end...
 
 
My worst pick will likely be voted on as my last since I get to take the last player at the highest profile position.  My personal choice for worst pick on my own team would be Sidney Rice in the 8th.  I'll be interested to get some reactions on my QB.
 

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WIth our next pick, the Jnai Dolphins select RB Chris Ivory
 

 
He's had problems with fumbles (although none in the past 2 seasons) and staying healthy, but when he's on the field it's really fun to watch him run with the ball.  His downhill running style will fit in well with our offense should Trent Richardson need a breather. While I was initially looking for someone to compliment Richardson, I've still got some flexibility with my last roster spot to add that kind of guy next round. Ivory could never seem to crack the Saints RB rotation, but his numbers were strong in limited work and I feel his skills will be better suited to the power running game we're going to employ over the spread offense NO ran.  He doesn't have much experiencing in the passing game, as Sproles took the majority of those snaps from him, but he's graded out well in the limited pass protection and receiving numbers that are available. While he has his flaws, I'm pretty happy getting a guy with 1000 yard potential this late. 
 
Sending DanoooMe a PM right now. 
 
This is a good pick.  He was a finalist when we selected Michael. He just wasn't a great fit in N.O.  He should do well for the Jets though.
 
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I'll pick when I have a sec.  Sorry guys.
 
Well executed ruse, Laddie!
 
sleepyjose03 said:
Going to post my final two picks now since Saturnian already has filled both of these positions, so I don't feel bad jumping him.  Short writeups as I don't have a lot of time. 
 
With their final two selections in the draft, the Minnesota Vikings select:  Chris Hairston, LT and Denard Robinson, UTIL
 

 
Quick writeup:  Hairston was a relatively unheralded 4th Round pick in 2011, but he played well enough to start this season (even taking over at LT for a few games until Cordy Glenn proved he was ready) and seemed to have settled into the starting RT spot when an ankle injury derailed his season in December.  I had originally planned to grab an older stopgap player here who could be counted on to provide league average protection at LT until I could address this position in later years - but when looking for someone still available I came across Hairston.  At this point, I think he's as good of a gamble going forward as an over-30 league average tackle.  And we can still always try to address this position via FA or the Draft next year. 
 
Also a good pick.
 
 
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You guys selecting UDFAs are nuts.  Isn't the success rate of an UDFA like 4%?
 
 
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I love that nobody drafted Michael Vick.  Well done SoSH.  I can't believe Mallett is going undrafted though.
 

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The Denver Broncos complete their roster by selecting.... Randy Bullock, K
 

 
A big man with a big leg.  Won the 2011 Lou Groza award for best college kicker, was picked in the 5th round by Houston, then was promptly placed on the IR for a groin tear in the preseason last year.  Will be competing for the starting job in Houston, and with his Janikowski-ish leg and solid kickoff ability he should be able to win it outright.  He's already saying he's 100% healed from his injury, so we're looking forward to seeing what he can do.  And according to his Twitter photos, he really likes to hunt.
 
That just about does it for my squad.  Thanks to everyone for making this draft great.  I really learned a lot about players I'd never heard of before, and it was a lot of fun.
 
 
And it was really fucking hard to pass on taking this guy:
 

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A source tells Profootballtalk that retired ILB Rolando McClain "wants to focus solely on getting himself together before continuing his football career."
In other words, McClain will be back in the NFL -- perhaps next season -- if he can keep himself out of trouble and take care of all of his legal issues. The Ravens have offered to be a resource for McClain, and they'll stash him on the reserve/retired list in order to have him under contract once/if he returns. The tough part for McClain is going to be the whole staying out of trouble thing.
 
 

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Laddie didn't specify whether he PM'd ilol@u so I shot him one. Technically his clock is up, by my reckoning.
 
EDIT: I went ahead and PM'd dgilpin. Since ilol@u only needs a P and the next 6 folks already have one, it doesn't matter if we skip him.
 

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After careful contemplation, the Seattle Seahawks have decided to select...
 
Matt San... no
Tim Teb... no
Blaine Gab... no
Brady Qu... no
Colt Mc... no
Michael V... no
Ryan Mal... no
Jed Hoyer, no, wait, Brian Hoy... no
 
It's gotta be an old Seattle QB
 
Jon Kit... no
Dave Kr... no
Stan Gelb... no
Kelly Stouff... no
Warren Mo... no
Rick Mir... no
Dan McGw... no
MARK McGw... no
 
Actually, it should have been obvious all along.  The Seattle Seahawks are proud to select Matt Flynn, QB.  At least he'll get a shot in Oakland to prove me wrong.
 

 
Plus, according to this fake People magazine, he's the sexiest man alive, so I have that going for me, which is nice.
 

 
 
Comment away.
 

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DanoooME said:
After careful contemplation, the Seattle Seahawks have decided to select...
 
Matt San... no
Tim Teb... no
Blaine Gab... no
Brady Qu... no
Colt Mc... no
Michael V... no
Ryan Mal... no
Jed Hoyer, no, wait, Brian Hoy... no
 
It's gotta be an old Seattle QB
 
Jon Kit... no
Dave Kr... no
Stan Gelb... no
Kelly Stouff... no
Warren Mo... no
Rick Mir... no
Dan McGw... no
MARK McGw... no
 
Actually, it should have been obvious all along.  The Seattle Seahawks are proud to select Matt Flynn, QB.  At least he'll get a shot in Oakland to prove me wrong.
 
Comment away.
Your options were pretty limited. Your best bets were either going with a low-ceiling game manager type (like Palmer or Hasselbeck) or take a flyer on a high-ceiling guy who probably won't play (Glennon, Mallett, Cousins). But you've managed to do both - you've picked a low-ceiling guy who probably won't play. Congratulations!
 

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Palmer isn't even a game manager anymore... This is a guy who benefits a lot from garbage time. Last year his QB rating while tied or winning was around a 75. When trailing? 89.4. He starts his team in a hole too. 2 years in a row the guy posts a QB rating in the 60's during the first quarter.
 
I don't blame you for not drafting him. I don't think he manages games particularly well. How much of this is him vs his receivers? Well, I don't think Cin trades him if he is a better game manager than Dalton and that isn't saying much.
 

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Jnai Dolphins round out their roster with TE Jordan Cameron.
 
He'll fill our FB/flex spot. He's raw. But what he lacks in experience, he makes up for in pure athletic ability.  After playing basketball to start his college career, he transferred to USC to be a WR and then converted to TE, where he showed he has the skills needed to play at the NFL level in limited reps.  He only caught 20 passes last season, but he's got a new offensive coordinator and head coach who like to feature the TE in their offenses, so I'm looking for a bit of a breakthrough season from him. In the limited reps he's received in his pro career so far, he's shown the ability to be a solid blocker while utilizing his speed and jumping ability down the field.
 

 
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ElcaballitoMVP said:
Jnai Dolphins round out their roster with TE Jordan Cameron.
 
He'll fill our FB/flex spot. He's raw. But what he lacks in experience, he makes up for in pure athletic ability.  After playing basketball to start his college career, he transferred to USC to be a WR and then converted to TE, where he showed he has the skills needed to play at the NFL level in limited reps.  He only caught 20 passes last season, but he's got a new offensive coordinator and head coach who like to feature the TE in their offenses, so I'm looking for a bit of a breakthrough season from him. In the limited reps he's received in his pro career so far, he's shown the ability to be a solid blocker while utilizing his speed and jumping ability down the field.
 
 
Edit: PM sent to SPDougie
I was really tempted to take Cameron; he's as physically gifted as any TE in the game. Dude is 6'5", and at the 2010 combine finished #2 in the 40, #5 in the bench press, #2 in the vertical jump, #3 in the broad jump, and #1 in all the agility drills (3-cone, 20- and 60- yard shuttles). Big-time risk-reward pick, but the fact that Cleveland didn't take a TE in the draft speaks well for him at least getting an opportunity.
 

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Cameron was a guy I was hoping would fall through the cracks and I could swoop in during the proposed free agent draft this summer/fall. Would make a great Tony G replacement. 
 
Good pick. 
 

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I was really tempted to take Cameron; he's as physically gifted as any TE in the game. Dude is 6'5", and at the 2010 combine finished #2 in the 40, #5 in the bench press, #2 in the vertical jump, #3 in the broad jump, and #1 in all the agility drills (3-cone, 20- and 60- yard shuttles). Big-time risk-reward pick, but the fact that Cleveland didn't take a TE in the draft speaks well for him at least getting an opportunity.
DaughtersofDougMirabelli said:
Cameron was a guy I was hoping would fall through the cracks and I could swoop in during the proposed free agent draft this summer/fall. Would make a great Tony G replacement. 
 
Good pick. 
Thanks guys. I was originally looking at either a change of pace RB or a FB/H-back with my last pick but I figure I can scoop one up later since none really jumped out. Cameron is the projected #1 TE in CLE right now, in an offensive system that he should really benefit from. If he can improve his consistency in blocking and picks up the offense, I think he could be really stand out next year. As you've mentioned, his measurables are pretty impressive.
 

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Super Nomario said:
Your options were pretty limited. Your best bets were either going with a low-ceiling game manager type (like Palmer or Hasselbeck) or take a flyer on a high-ceiling guy who probably won't play (Glennon, Mallett, Cousins). But you've managed to do both - you've picked a low-ceiling guy who probably won't play. Congratulations!
 
Yep, this sums up my thoughts. Flynn has little long term upside and might end up having limited short term value (depending on how much Dennis Allen falls in love with Tyler Wilson, who looks like a great pick post-draft). 
 
I said to several owners that I would have taken Cousins in the early teens. First, because he was the best trash-talk candidate amongst QBs. When RGIII's knee explodes,    again, or he gets concussed, again, or he suffers some other injury it'll be Kirk Cousins time. This will happen frequently. The opportunity to use this inevitable injury as trash talk fodder against the Tactical Turtlenecks was huge. Second, Cousins has (arguably) as much (or more) of a future than does 5th round pick Nick Foles. Third, unlike Mallet, he's actually thrown NFL passes when it matters. 
 

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Yep, this sums up my thoughts. Flynn has little long term upside and might end up having limited short term value (depending on how much Dennis Allen falls in love with Tyler Wilson, who looks like a great pick post-draft). 
 
I said to several owners that I would have taken Cousins in the early teens. First, because he was the best trash-talk candidate amongst QBs. When RGIII's knee explodes,    again, or he gets concussed, again, or he suffers some other injury it'll be Kirk Cousins time. This will happen frequently. The opportunity to use this inevitable injury as trash talk fodder against the Tactical Turtlenecks was huge. Second, Cousins has (arguably) as much (or more) of a future than does 5th round pick Nick Foles. Third, unlike Mallet, he's actually thrown NFL passes when it matters. 
Honestly, I think Vick is my favorite QB on the board at this point. He was flat-out horrible in 2012, but he was terrific in 2010 and was OK in 2011. He'll be 33 next season (old, not ancient) and I think there's a fair chance that he's revitalized in a Chip Kelly offense. Obviously you need the right kind of pieces (deep threats, a decent TE, a C who can set protection because Vick can't, a good pass-protecting RT because Vick's a lefty, some good zone-blocking OL and a one-cut RB for zone read stuff) but I think he's the best of a bad lot here. And I like the fit with Danooo's pieces - I think Vick would fit well with his skill players and OL.
 
Side note: did we draft 32 right-handed QBs?
 

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I said to several owners that I would have taken Cousins in the early teens. First, because he was the best trash-talk candidate amongst QBs. When RGIII's knee explodes,    again, or he gets concussed, again, or he suffers some other injury it'll be Kirk Cousins time. This will happen frequently. The opportunity to use this inevitable injury as trash talk fodder against the Tactical Turtlenecks was huge. Second, Cousins has (arguably) as much (or more) of a future than does 5th round pick Nick Foles. Third, unlike Mallet, he's actually thrown NFL passes when it matters.
 
It's comforting to know how in your head we are.
 
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