Rafael Devers, JD Martinez and the future at the corners

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That's all correct, but in terms of comparing him the only thing we can do is look at numbers that have been accumulated with the HUGE caveat that Bonds then took off into a realm that no one is going to get to.

I assume the original poster was only comparing numbers through similar career points.
 

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I don’t know how popular an opinion this will be, but I think you build around Devers and not Mookie.
Well this isn't an actual choice, I don't think, since their contracts are spread out by some 4 years. If it were a choice, it would come down to whether you believe in WAR calculations based on other things besides hitting. If you do, I wouldn't elevate Devers to Mookie's level just yet.
 

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Not even close. And I'm an enormous believer in Mookie. Go to my post above (#141) and look at Bonds' numbers, then look at Mookie's. I love me lots and lots of Mookie but he isn't in the same universe as even a pre-roids Bonds.
Off-topic, but this bugs me. Why do we assume there was such a thing as a pre-roids Bonds? Maybe the ones he used before SF were just not as good as the ones he used in SF?

Once a cheater, always a cheater as far as I’m concerned.
 

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Off-topic, but this bugs me. Why do we assume there was such a thing as a pre-roids Bonds? Maybe the ones he used before SF were just not as good as the ones he used in SF?

Once a cheater, always a cheater as far as I’m concerned.
Just going on the current state of knowledge, but of course, you might be right.

But if "once a cheater always a cheater"...that means in your mind Edelman is still juicing? (maybe you don't even care with respect to football)
 

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Just going on the current state of knowledge, but of course, you might be right.

But if "once a cheater always a cheater"...that means in your mind Edelman is still juicing? (maybe you don't even care with respect to football)
Yeah, don’t get worked up over football.

But I’d also say that in a testing regime I’d be more forgiving. Now that we’ve established mandatory testing, while I’m sure many still get around it, the burden of proof goes back on the accusers if there’s no failed drug test (as I look in the general direction of third base at Yankee Stadium).

But Bonds was never tested in Pittsburgh.
 

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Yeah, don’t get worked up over football.

But I’d also say that in a testing regime I’d be more forgiving. Now that we’ve established mandatory testing, while I’m sure many still get around it, the burden of proof goes back on the accusers if there’s no failed drug test (as I look in the general direction of third base at Yankee Stadium).

But Bonds was never tested in Pittsburgh.
I am curious - do you really think there were many players in Bonds era who were "clean". I don't and I think performance enhancing substances have been used widely ever since ballplayers could make a full year's living from the sport.
 

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I am curious - do you really think there were many players in Bonds era who were "clean". I don't and I think performance enhancing substances have been used widely ever since ballplayers could make a full year's living from the sport.
I think many players in that era were enhanced, sure. Canseco and Caminitti both placed it around 50% in their books, if I recall. They both have an incentive to embellish it, so, let’s say 1/3.

Doesn’t excuse someone who would have been a multimillionaire without it. I have more sympathy for a marginal player looking for one big payday than I do for someone like Bonds, unless he was juicing all the back to college.
 

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The rumor was Bonds started after the 1998 McGwire-Sosa HR chase; he was upset at the attention they were getting because he was a far superior player. So he jumped aboard.
 

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I said this somewhere, but I'll say it again.. offer Devers an Acuna-type extension right now. they probably won't as they desperately need elite pre-arb salaries, but maybe some modest raises to start off?
 

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A lot of people are already prepared to move Devers across the diamond after this season... to me that's premature. I have a lot of optimism in his bat to be consistently somewhere around a .950 OPS starting towards the second half of this season and into his long term success. (A little rocky start then a kick-ass second half and landing somewhere around an .875 OPS with 35 HR's).

A 950 OPS? There were only 4 players in the MLB last year with above 939. Betts , JDM, Trout, Yelich. That's quite a projection.
shoutouts to OP, as his OPS is right there.
 

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I think many players in that era were enhanced, sure. Canseco and Caminitti both placed it around 50% in their books, if I recall. They both have an incentive to embellish it, so, let’s say 1/3.

Doesn’t excuse someone who would have been a multimillionaire without it. I have more sympathy for a marginal player looking for one big payday than I do for someone like Bonds, unless he was juicing all the back to college.
Neither Canseco or Caminiti have any credibility as you note. I suspect their numbers are low and if only because they have no idea what others did when they weren't around.

The incentives were/are massive regardless of whether you were an AAAA player looking to make a leap to the Show, a career replacement level player who could suddenly mash an earn multiples of your salary or a superstar who could leverage their already large compensation to earn even more money and fame.

Your quote was "once a cheater, always a cheater". If you are drawing that line, I don't see how you can argue that what Bonds did was effectively worse than some utility guy who used PEDs to hang around the league or even put themselves in a position to goose their earnings. Both players "cheated" and both presumably benefitted from their increased production. You can even make an argument that the utility guy was worse because had he not cheated, a spot might have opened up for a "clean" player to replace him and make an honest living. Assuming that the take on Bonds is correct and that he didn't take PEDs until later in his career, you can argue that he didn't really cost other players opportunities as much as he cost his employers money.

In any event, this has nothing to do with Devers who appears to not only be having a breakout season but is showing signs that he has figured something out mid-season to take his game to the next level. A 1000+ OPS since the AS break with increased slugging (~.640) is a very pleasant outcome in an otherwise underwhelming season.
 
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Just for fun...

Age 22 seasons ...

Devers: 120 g, 490 ab, 99 r, 43 2b, 25 hr, 94 rbi, .327/.375/.580/.954
Betts: 145 g, 597 ab, 92 r, 42 2b, 18 hr, 77 rbi, .291/.341/.479/.820
Trout: 157 g, 602 ab, 115 r, 39 2b, 36 hr, 111 rbi, .287/.377/.561/.939
Devers (projection): 159 g, 650 ab, 131 r, 57 2b, 33 hr, 125 rbi, .327/.375/.580/.954 (projection is based on Red Sox' games played, projected over the full 162 game season)
 

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Off-topic, but this bugs me. Why do we assume there was such a thing as a pre-roids Bonds? Maybe the ones he used before SF were just not as good as the ones he used in SF?

Once a cheater, always a cheater as far as I’m concerned.
They are all cheating. All of them. Even today, designer steroids are just good.
 

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What I started to do yesterday and ended up not doing. It will be very interesting to see how these two left sides do for years to come. OPS+ is estimated because BBRef doesn't have their stats updated from yesterday's games.

Bogaerts .308/.384/.563 27 HR 91 RBI 145 H 93 R .947 OPS 139 OPS+
Devers .327/.375/.580 25 HR 94 RBI 160 H 99 R .955 OPS 142 OPS+

Correa(66 games) .286/.364/.557 17 HR 53 RBI 73 H 36 R .921 OPS 140 OPS+
Bregman .277/.406/.550 28 HR 77 RBI 114 H 90 R .956 OPS 152 OPS+
 

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They are all cheating. All of them. Even today, designer steroids are just good.
Is it cheating when every top athlete in every sport does it? There's no doubt the top basketball players do it. The testing regime there is almost non-existent. Similarly for football (both the American and world version) and tennis. I think it's extremely likely that Djokovic, Federer, Messi and Ronaldo are all on some designer drugs, even if they're technically 'legal' in that they don't go over limits that are set.
 

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Seriously, we have an entire sub-forum dedicated to this tired discussion, which has approximately zero to do with Devers, Martinez, or the Red Sox future at the corners. And it’s not exactly breaking new ground with rumors about Barry Bonds’s purported jealousy of McGwire and Sosa.
 

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What I started to do yesterday and ended up not doing. It will be very interesting to see how these two left sides do for years to come. OPS+ is estimated because BBRef doesn't have their stats updated from yesterday's games.

Bogaerts .308/.384/.563 27 HR 91 RBI 145 H 93 R .947 OPS 139 OPS+
Devers .327/.375/.580 25 HR 94 RBI 160 H 99 R .955 OPS 142 OPS+

Correa(66 games) .286/.364/.557 17 HR 53 RBI 73 H 36 R .921 OPS 140 OPS+
Bregman .277/.406/.550 28 HR 77 RBI 114 H 90 R .956 OPS 152 OPS+
Interesting comparison. I'll add these other left sides. This is from this morning's b-ref page (which probably doesn't have last night's games either):

Bogaerts (26) - 93 r, 27 hr, 92 rbi, .308/.384/.563/.947, 140 ops+
Devers (22) - 99 r, 25 hr, 94 rbi, .327/.375/.580/.954, 141 ops+

Correa (24) - 68 r, 19 hr, 55 rbi, .290/.366/.579/.945, 146 ops+
Bregman (25) - 91 r, 29 hr, 79 rbi, .277/.405/.554/.959, 152 ops+

Story (26) - 88 r, 27 hr, 67 rbi, .288/.353/.567/.920, 116 ops+
Arenado (28) - 77 r, 27 hr, 90 rbi, .303/.364/.544/.908, 114 ops+

Lindor (25) - 70 r, 20 hr, 52 rbi, .303/.358/.520/.878, 125 ops+
Ramirez (26) - 64 r, 19 hr, 73 rbi, .248/.322/.452/.775, 99 ops+

Polanco (25) - 74 r, 17 hr, 59 rbi, .293/.354/.483/.838, 120 ops+
Sano (26) - 49 r, 22 hr, 48 rbi, .237/.337/.556/.893, 131 ops+

Torres (22) - 77 r, 27 hr, 70 rbi, .282/.348/.525/.873, 128 ops+
Urshela (27) - 63 r, 18 hr, 66 rbi, .337/.379/.585/.964, 151 ops+

I will *happily* take the Bogaerts/Devers left side of the infield. Young, locked up for years, and already probably the best combo in baseball (Houston folks might have a legit disagreement with that).
 

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Interesting comparison. I'll add these other left sides. This is from this morning's b-ref page (which probably doesn't have last night's games either):

Bogaerts (26) - 93 r, 27 hr, 92 rbi, .308/.384/.563/.947, 140 ops+
Devers (22) - 99 r, 25 hr, 94 rbi, .327/.375/.580/.954, 141 ops+

Correa (24) - 68 r, 19 hr, 55 rbi, .290/.366/.579/.945, 146 ops+
Bregman (25) - 91 r, 29 hr, 79 rbi, .277/.405/.554/.959, 152 ops+

Story (26) - 88 r, 27 hr, 67 rbi, .288/.353/.567/.920, 116 ops+
Arenado (28) - 77 r, 27 hr, 90 rbi, .303/.364/.544/.908, 114 ops+

Lindor (25) - 70 r, 20 hr, 52 rbi, .303/.358/.520/.878, 125 ops+
Ramirez (26) - 64 r, 19 hr, 73 rbi, .248/.322/.452/.775, 99 ops+

Polanco (25) - 74 r, 17 hr, 59 rbi, .293/.354/.483/.838, 120 ops+
Sano (26) - 49 r, 22 hr, 48 rbi, .237/.337/.556/.893, 131 ops+

Torres (22) - 77 r, 27 hr, 70 rbi, .282/.348/.525/.873, 128 ops+
Urshela (27) - 63 r, 18 hr, 66 rbi, .337/.379/.585/.964, 151 ops+

I will *happily* take the Bogaerts/Devers left side of the infield. Young, locked up for years, and already probably the best combo in baseball (Houston folks might have a legit disagreement with that).
Colorado fans, in particular, might point out that you're leaving out this little thing called defense.

Two other pairs that I think belong on this list:

Baez (26) - 82 r, 28 hr, 81 rbi, .286/.318/.547/.865, 116 ops+
Bryant (27) - 87 r, 24 hr, 59 rbi, .289/.389/.532/.921, 134 ops+

Semien (28) - 87 r, 19 hr, 56 rbi, .270/.355/.467/.822, 119 ops+
Chapman (26) - 79 r, 29 hr, 69 rbi, .260/.343/.533/.876, 130 ops+
 

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After today, Devers will have over 25 HR, 45 doubles, and 100 each R and RBI -- with a fifth of the season to go.

Only one other 22-year-old in history has hit all four of those marks even in a full season. Can you guess who it was?

Cal Ripken Jr., 1983

At his current pace, Devers has a good shot at passing 30 HR, 50 doubles, 120 each R and RBI, and 200 hits. Seven other players, at any age, have hit all five of those marks. Can you guess who they were?

Albert Belle, 1995
Albert Pujols, 2003
Alex Rodriguez, 1996
Chuck Klein, 1930 and 1932
Frank Robinson, 1962
Lou Gehrig, 1927
Matt Holliday, 2007
 

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How often do you see a prospect whose earliest ultimate upside comp is a guy like Robinson Cano and then by age 22 it looks like the prospect binky hype train...undersold him?
 

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The most remarkable thing about watching Devers hit is that he is pretty consistently taking advantage of pitchers mistakes. If they leave a hanger, he is punishing it, especially these days.
 

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Remember that he started slow, too. He was OPSing just .757 through April and didn’t homer until May 3.
 

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How often do you see a prospect whose earliest ultimate upside comp is a guy like Robinson Cano and then by age 22 it looks like the prospect binky hype train...undersold him?
Thanks for this. I was trying to recall what his “upside” was today. I thought he might ultimately be a .280, 20-25 HR guy, but this - this is something.

Yeah, the Red Sox aren’t going anywhere, but neither are the Angels. How much more does Devers have to do to get some serious MVP consideration over Trout? He may have some advantage in being a fresh face to the balloting process.
 

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Thanks for this. I was trying to recall what his “upside” was today. I thought he might ultimately be a .280, 20-25 HR guy, but this - this is something.

Yeah, the Red Sox aren’t going anywhere, but neither are the Angels. How much more does Devers have to do to get some serious MVP consideration over Trout? He may have some advantage in being a fresh face to the balloting process.
He'll definitely get some advantage from being a new face/not Trout. Trout really should have won MVP every season of his career other than the last two seasons. Two years ago he only played 114 games, but he's lead the league in fWAR every full season of his career until last (and lead all of MLB every full season other than last year and his rookie season, when he was second behind Posey). Trout deserves to win this season, as he's on pace to have the greatest season of his career (and his only season so far better than Mookie's 2018), and I think he will win, but being new will definitely work in Raffy's favor. I still think there's no way anyone beats Trout this season, though (and if someone were to, X would deserve it more than Devers as of now).
 

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He'll definitely get some advantage from being a new face/not Trout. Trout really should have won MVP every season of his career other than the last two seasons. Two years ago he only played 114 games, but he's lead the league in fWAR every full season of his career until last (and lead all of MLB every full season other than last year and his rookie season, when he was second behind Posey). Trout deserves to win this season, as he's on pace to have the greatest season of his career (and his only season so far better than Mookie's 2018), and I think he will win, but being new will definitely work in Raffy's favor. I still think there's no way anyone beats Trout this season, though (and if someone were to, X would deserve it more than Devers as of now).
The only time people seem to credit dWAR or other defensive metrics these days is when they support the conclusion that Mookie had a better year than Trout last season.
 

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The only time people seem to credit dWAR or other defensive metrics these days is when they support the conclusion that Mookie had a better year than Trout last season.
I think dWAR is perfectly fine at illustrating what has happened. I don't think it's predictive when there's less than several seasons' worth of data. Mookie also had a (very, very slightly) higher oWAR per game than Trout last season, so even if you don't trust defensive metrics, it's not in any way clear that Mookie didn't have a better season than Trout last season. Their offensive stats were extremely close, Mookie was the better baserunner, and (without using defensive metrics) it's pretty widely accepted that Mookie is (or at least was) a better fielder. All that said, I meant better to mean higher fWAR. Although I'd be curious as to what your definition of "better" is if it's not "higher WAR."
 

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I think dWAR is perfectly fine at illustrating what has happened. I don't think it's predictive when there's less than several seasons' worth of data. Mookie also had a (very, very slightly) higher oWAR per game than Trout last season, so even if you don't trust defensive metrics, it's not in any way clear that Mookie didn't have a better season than Trout last season. Their offensive stats were extremely close, Mookie was the better baserunner, and (without using defensive metrics) it's pretty widely accepted that Mookie is (or at least was) a better fielder. All that said, I meant better to mean higher fWAR. Although I'd be curious as to what your definition of "better" is if it's not "higher WAR."
I think higher WAR is fine (WAR per game should not factor into this conversation, as you don't get credit for not playing in such a comparison of years), and I have no problem saying Mookie had a better season last year. But you pretty much can only come to that conclusion if you accept the defensive metrics as being precise, and taking them at face value. Trout had a higher OPS+, significantly higher OBP (the more important component of OPS), WRC+, offensive RAA (which includes baserunning), higher oWAR, etc. My point was only that I get consistently shot at every time I mention dWAR or DRS. But here (including their positional adjustments), they're legit.

EDIT: Also, your argument re dWAR (that it's "perfectly fine at illustrating what has happened," but not predictive) is not the standard criticism. It's that the sample sizes and possibilities for errors make it impossible to ascribe any real weight to a single season's conclusion. That is, not predictive, and also not particularly good at illustrating what's happened.
 
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I think higher WAR is fine (WAR per game should not factor into this conversation, as you don't get credit for not playing in such a comparison of years), and I have no problem saying Mookie had a better season last year. But you pretty much can only come to that conclusion if you accept the defensive metrics as being precise, and taking them at face value. Trout had a higher OPS+, significantly higher OBP (the more important component of OPS), WRC+, offensive RAA (which includes baserunning), higher oWAR, etc. My point was only that I get consistently shot at every time I mention dWAR or DRS. But here (including their positional adjustments), they're legit.
I have no problem with dWAR or DRS (although I prefer UZR). I suspect most people's problems with those comes from a mismatch between what the stats tell them and what their eyes tell them. I'm inclined to believe the stats over the eye test, but it's not always an easy thing to do.
 

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Remember that he started slow, too. He was OPSing just .757 through April and didn’t homer until May 3.
His power started slow (.073 ISO), but he hit .294 with a .381 OBP through May 2nd. And people were calling for his demotion over his defense when he was still the best option given his bat. The power was going to come. It did and then some. .308 ISO since May 3rd NOT including today. The defense also vastly improved. He's turned into a stud and it's exciting to think he can get even better.

In 414 PA since May 3: .337/.374/.645/1.020

That'll play.
And that's not even including today's performance.
 

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From April 17 through last night (so not counting today's fantastic performance), he has played in 104 games and has put up this line:

91 r, 41 2b, 3 3b, 26 hr, 95 rbi, .339/.381/.625/1.006

That's on pace for these numbers over, say, 154 games (which would be a reasonable number to expect him to play for a full season:

135 r, 61 2b, 4 3b, 39 hr, 141 rbi, .339/.381/.625/1.006

Which would be just beyond ridiculous.
 

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Not as ridiculous as prorating his last 76 games to a full season. (This includes yesterday's performance, despite what the date range says.)
 

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shoutouts to OP, as his OPS is right there.
I thought he was going to have a slow first 3 months around .750 OPS and THEN kick ass. He just started kicking ass way earlier than I expected. Watching his highlights from last night, it looks like he has almost total control of the strike zone and where he's going to put the ball in play- are we seeing the 5th reincarnation of the God BaBip himself? Praise him!
 

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From April 17 through last night (so not counting today's fantastic performance), he has played in 104 games and has put up this line:

91 r, 41 2b, 3 3b, 26 hr, 95 rbi, .339/.381/.625/1.006

That's on pace for these numbers over, say, 154 games (which would be a reasonable number to expect him to play for a full season:

135 r, 61 2b, 4 3b, 39 hr, 141 rbi, .339/.381/.625/1.006

Which would be just beyond ridiculous.
Well, in terms of the raw numbers, YTD, he's producing like the age 23-26 Manny Ramirez. (Not the most exact comp, but offered for discussion purposes.)

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Well, in terms of the raw numbers, YTD, he's producing like the age 23-26 Manny Ramirez. (Not the most exact comp, but offered for discussion purposes.)

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Is there reason to be concerned about his weight? He's always had the baby fat look, but he's never struck me as heavy, just solid. He reportedly slimmed down a bit last winter, due to changing his diet according to him. It's not like it was a dramatic change, though. And given the results, I have to think he'll stick with the more careful diet for a while.
 

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Like many (most?) athletes, he'll probably gain a bit of weight and lose a bit of mobility as the years go by. But I don't see any reason to anticipate Panda-type issues. Is there anything we've seen or heard so far that would justify that worry?
 

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The most remarkable thing about watching Devers hit is that he is pretty consistently taking advantage of pitchers mistakes. If they leave a hanger, he is punishing it, especially these days.
Yesterday, I'm not sure his late HR was a mistake. Or at least it wasn't the kind you suggested. IIRC, on the previous pitch, he swung and missed on a high inside FB. The mistake was that the pitcher threw the next one in the same place and Devers got his hands in and killed it.
 

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Yesterday, I'm not sure his late HR was a mistake. Or at least it wasn't the kind you suggested. IIRC, on the previous pitch, he swung and missed on a high inside FB. The mistake was that the pitcher threw the next one in the same place and Devers got his hands in and killed it.
You are correct. It was even higher and more inside than the previous pitch and he still crushed it. I'm not sure how you pitch to Devers considering he can hit anything to any part of the field and hard. Total stud.

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Thanks for this. I was trying to recall what his “upside” was today. I thought he might ultimately be a .280, 20-25 HR guy, but this - this is something.

Yeah, the Red Sox aren’t going anywhere, but neither are the Angels. How much more does Devers have to do to get some serious MVP consideration over Trout? He may have some advantage in being a fresh face to the balloting process.
It has worked in the opposite in the past as voters seem to have a “show me that again for another year or two and I’ll vote you higher” thing with young players. Happened to Miguel Cabrera, ARod and Ted Williams (although Ted had a thing going with the press that might have, no, undoubtedly cost him votes). These three eventually got MVP more than once, of course (Ted coulda shoulda won 5). Devers playing for a high profile team and leading baseball in one of the new flashy stats (exit velocity?) might get him more votes though.
 

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I don't see how he wins it over Trout, unless Trout cools off considerably between now and the end. Trout is a better hitter and baserunner playing at worst comparable-quality defense at a tougher position. If Devers' team were in a pennant race that might be one thing, but since that's not a factor for either, Trout gets it.

Heck, by fWAR Devers isn't even the most valuable player on his own team; that's still (barely) Xander, though if Raffi stays this hot that probably won't be true for long.
 

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But he leads the league in CS. He's a bum.

How often do you see a prospect whose earliest ultimate upside comp is a guy like Robinson Cano and then by age 22 it looks like the prospect binky hype train...undersold him?
Was that really his comp? Seems odd. Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly but the hype train was on top of Devers right out of the gate and many were predicting him to be a middle of the order bat with 30+ HR potential. It was his glove that was in question. He was widely considered the best left handed bat available in the international draft that year. Not that it's an insult to be compared to Robinson Cano.
 

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There’s been fewer 60 double seasons (6) than 60 homer seasons (8) in MLB history, and none in over 80 years. Devers on pace for 59, but has been on a 67 double pace since May, and a 75 double pace since June. The record is 67, which he probably can’t reach, but if he stays on the pace he’s been on for the past 3+ months he’ll reach 60
 

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There’s been fewer 60 double seasons (6) than 60 homer seasons (8) in MLB history, and none in over 80 years. Devers on pace for 59, but has been on a 67 double pace since May, and a 75 double pace since June. The record is 67, which he probably can’t reach, but if he stays on the pace he’s been on for the past 3+ months he’ll reach 60
Here's a record he can break: The Red Sox all-time record for extra base hits in a season, according to Baseball Almanac, is owned by Jimmy Foxx at 92 in 1938. That's the year he hit 50 HRs (the record Papi broke); he also hit 33 doubles and 9 triples for a ridiculous OPS of 1.166 (which wasn't even his best year at the plate; in 1932 he hit 58 HRs and OPS'd 1.218!). No wonder his nickname was "Beast".

Devers is at 76 XBH today and is on a pace for 88 if we take his full season rates and project them to the end of the season. Of course, he only had 8 XBH in Mar/Apr and has never dipped below 16 in any month since. At that rate, he'll finish with ~97 XBH. I think he'll break 100. Since July I've been kidding my 22 y.o. college son with "This guy's hitting bombs at 22. What are you doing with your life?!" Simply amazing.