I'm on mobile, and the link is twitter so it doesn't work. If it says in there that the people responsible didn't get kicked and people didn't do anything, I take back my post.
Race and the Red Sox
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But the street is named after Tom Yawkey and Tom Yawkey's legacy on the race issue is simply terrible. It is a hard sell to maintain that racism has no place at Fenway and Fenway is at 4 Yawkey Way.
Price and Sabathia heard it long before the election, in fact it's so well known that the black players all discuss it.
Was there a college ticket give away of some sort last night at Fenway? I find it strange they would have 3X the number of arrests on a Monday night game, and early weekday games are typically when the Sox would offer discounted bleacher seats to colleges to help fill their community outreach quota.
I don't know how much it will change the national narrative if it turns out the idiots involved were drunk frat kids from Northeastern who come from areas scattered throughout the country rather than the stereotypical "Sully from Old Colony projects" Boston racist caricature.
I don't know how much it will change the national narrative if it turns out the idiots involved were drunk frat kids from Northeastern who come from areas scattered throughout the country rather than the stereotypical "Sully from Old Colony projects" Boston racist caricature.
No actually he's right. Do you sit in the bleachers? I have gone to minimum 15-20 games a year in those seats yearly. I've said something to "that guy" before and for my troubles ive had beer thrown on me, swung at, and one time ejected from my own seats.
So look Captain America while you may think there's never a good reason to remain quiet maybe you need to actually be in that situation a few times yourself
I agree with a lot of what you say here, but I have a huge problem with the last part. Who the fuck cares if people paint the city with a broad brush? Boston, the city is NOT the victim here. Does it happen in other cities? Do other cities have huge amounts of racists like Boston? Yup. Maybe it's time we acknowledge that we still are a somewhat racist society.
How about Jim Rice or Mo Vaughn or even Big Papi? You seem to have forgotten a few good players.
Regardless of how much Jones is believed (and most seem to believe him) or embraced as a victim, tonight is a great opportunity for Boston to make a symbolic stand against racism as in a standing ovation is not enough. How about when Adam Jones comes to bat for the first time, in addition to a SO, the Sox players led by Pedey (and here's his chance to redeem himself as a leader) and other white players leave the dugout to greet/hug him at home plate followed by the rest of the team, Henry, Werner, Kennedy and even Mayor Walsh if he's there?
I'm fine with this approach as long as we go back in time and rename all the streets that were named after JFK because I for one don't want public streets named after adulterers, or public buildings/streets named after industrialists who were also racists and made millions off the backs of child labor. If you want to white-wash (obviously no pun intended) history, lets be thorough about it. Other than Yawkey, what names should we be checking out next???
Or what he said.
Then we should make that argument instead of simply stopping with "Boston is racist" which is what the media is doing.
I addressed this in post 344. I haven't forgotten a thing. As for Ortiz, this issue centers on African Americans.
Yeah, it's almost like there was some national event since last season that made racists and bigots feel empowered and emboldened.
Believe it or not, Captain America has been in this situation a few times. Captain America gets that despite it being hard, you do it. Not doing it makes you complicit, and creates a culture where it is easier for that guy to do it, and sends a message to the person on the receiving end: "sorry, it's too hard to speak up."
You know, lessons you learn in grade school.
Signing off,
Captain America
Not Mo Vaughn please, anyone who allows their lawyers call a State Policeman in court a liar and accuse them of making up facts around a highway accident is not someone I want to use as a role model. Thanks.
It was a tier 5 game, so regular seats out there were as cheap as ten bucks. Plus the $9 college deal does mean lots of folks there who didn't pay much to get in.
George Washington was the father of our country. Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence. Even Andrew Jackson (whose face probably shouldn't be on our currency) was a war hero. Tom Yawkey has considerably less in the positive column than those men, and his attitudes lagged farther behind his peers' than any of them.
Unless you're a serial killer or something, donating millions of dollars to a charity gets your name on a building, if not the institution itself -- no one is suggesting we rename Duke, Vanderbilt or Carnegie Mellon because those men made their fortunes in a way that wouldn't be acceptable today. Likewise, the cancer center at MGH will continue to bear the Yawkey name, and appropriately so.
Naming a street after someone is different. It suggests that your community is proud of you. I don't think Boston feels that way about Tom Yawkey anymore. Of course, that's for the City of Boston to decide, not the Red Sox.
Well said - although as for the final point, I bet the Red Sox could "convince" the city to address the name issue, if the city doesn't get there first.
Tyrone Biggums...You keep on saying that nobody did anything to stop the racist yelling. How do you know? Do you have the call logs of the Red Sox Security Staff? As has been mentioned numerous times, there were about 15 to 20 ejections last night. So somebody had to complain. Suppose the fans called or texted the advertised number or otherwise alerted security? Would you have a problem then? My main issue with you is that you have stated numerous times in this thread that not a single fan spoke up or reported the incident when we know that is untrue. I think your claim is untrue and is painting with too broad a brush. Howevrer, one racial incident is one too many and I am not defending the actions of the racists in any way shape or form.
Sox brass stressing fans can help.
Dear Season Ticket Holder,
We experienced an unacceptable event yesterday at Fenway Park and wanted to take this opportunity to reaffirm our commitment to ensuring that everyone visiting the ballpark feels safe and welcome.
A key part of maintaining a fun and inclusive atmosphere is you, the fans. We have hundreds of employees, security personnel, and Boston Police officials who monitor the ballpark during games to ensure that the few fans who detract from the inclusive environment are identified. We are asking for your continued help to be our eyes and ears in the places we can’t always be. If you see an incident that makes you, your family, or surrounding fans uncomfortable, we ask that you report it immediately in the following ways:
We are fortunate to have the most passionate fans in all of sports, and the energy and emotion that you bring to each game is unparalleled. We hope that same spirit helps keep Fenway Park inviting for all fans, players, and employees who walk through our gates. Thank you in advance for your ongoing partnership in this effort.
Sincerely,
Sam Kennedy
Red Sox President
Why don't we all meet at a bar, have a few drinks and tell each other all the things we've done/said in our past. We can all group think and agree which labels we should add to our linked in profiles, our resume, and how we should be labeled going forward. Any of us that complain about carrying those labels for the rest of our lives we can simply dismiss with "boo hoo". It will be fun
Or we can recognize that some things are actually in the past, and work on improving things going forward without simply insulting a whole city for the actions of a few outliers. Boo hoo indeed.
So, by reading this post, can we make the assumption that you have spoken up every single time you have personally witnessed racism, bigotry, and any other form of discrimination in public and in private?
The only evidence that fans did nothing is the rantings of one poster who has yet to provide any supporting evidence.
Well this should help.
CC Sabathia on racist heckling: 'When you go to Boston, expect it'
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/cc-sabathia-on-racist-heckling-when-you-go-to-boston-expect-it/ar-BBAExep?li=BBnb7Kz
CC Sabathia on racist heckling: 'When you go to Boston, expect it'
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/cc-sabathia-on-racist-heckling-when-you-go-to-boston-expect-it/ar-BBAExep?li=BBnb7Kz
This is as good as it gets from an athlete. I guess due to his low profile I'd never heard much from him beyond baseball related topics. He's well spoken. I wish Pedroia (one of my favorites) would come across as this thoughtful.
It's a Monday before finals in a cold night at the middle-end of a long homestand (the rest of which was expensive)with $9 student tickets.
I've experienced first hand a handful of racist incidents since he was elected. Each of them was committed by persons of color on another ethnicity. I view them as outliers, but if you want to show me how this correlates to his election I'm game to listen.
This is a crisis the management is in. The team sucks right now, this brings crazy negative attention. It's a true crisis.
That said, the Sox org has been proactive and outspoken today. I'm proud of that. It should continue.
They have the resources and public trust to launch an anti-racism/bigotry campaign that is badly needed imo. I hope they do it.
That said, the Sox org has been proactive and outspoken today. I'm proud of that. It should continue.
They have the resources and public trust to launch an anti-racism/bigotry campaign that is badly needed imo. I hope they do it.
Story #2 on CBS radio news, right after guilty plea of police officer to federal civil rights charges in NC for shooting unarmed guy.
If you guys wanna bring Trump and the election into this, could you do it via PM?
I didn't bring it up, I just called him on the bull shit. Feel free to PM me though.
Mo Vaughn sucks because he had the gall to say a state trooper lied. Boston isn't racist, it's just a few people, and it hurts your feelings. You were never aware of how well-spoken Chris Young was. People of color have committed racists acts (against you?). You would t acknowledge that some people have become empowered since the election and are now ballsier in their racism. You win the thread.
Half-price tickets for college students have been a bad idea since forever. That certainly explains the above-average number of ejections; of course, the racist(s) may well have paid full price.
That sounds about right. You hear that blacks in MLB nowadays are at a low for quite a long time at about 7-8%. I think at peak it was somewhere around 20%. One reason cited is young blacks concentrate more on basketball over the last few years.
And maybe 50 percent stood. And that's probably being generous. You could really hear the boos on MLB Network.
Mookie is pissed
“@IanMBrowne: ”For me to be here, and for me to represent Boston, and to hear something like that going on, that hurts me.“ — Mookie Betts.”
“@IanMBrowne: ”I don’t want to be a part of something like that. I don’t think anybody does. When we come to the park we’re here to have fun.“ — Mookie”
“@IanMBrowne: ”For me to be here, and for me to represent Boston, and to hear something like that going on, that hurts me.“ — Mookie Betts.”
“@IanMBrowne: ”I don’t want to be a part of something like that. I don’t think anybody does. When we come to the park we’re here to have fun.“ — Mookie”
It's possible for both of you to be right. It is possible that the culture in the bleachers at Fenway is such that it's dangerous to speak out against racism, and that it is naive to think it would make a difference.
I hate to think that's true, and I don't believe it is. I typically sit in the cheap seats several times a year, and I don't ever remember someone repeatedly yelling the N word (I can't specifically recall ever hearing it at Fenway Park). I have definitely asked/yelled at people to watch their mouth, and pointed out that there are kids nearby (yes, in the bleachers, and no, the kids were not mine). I think the worst response I've ever got was stinkeye, but usually it's more like a sloppy drunken bropology, with the offender giving hi-fives for the nearby kids and telling them it's not good to talk like that.
Now, maybe my experience is unique to me. I am physically bigger than most people, so my manners reminders probably don't take as much courage as they would coming from someone who is more physically vulnerable. Maybe the fact that I reflexively start shouting "dude, watch your mouth, there are kids around" when it gets to the F word, helps prevent things from escalating to the N word. Or maybe I have just been luckier, with who I sit near.
The individual responsibility for shouting racist stuff is on the person who did it. But the cultural and community responsibility is on the community where that stuff is tolerated and allowed to happen. It's not that thestardawg or anyone else is individually responsible for what some racist says or does within earshot, but if Fenway Park is a place where it's okay to shout racial epithets, that's on all of us. If it is more scary/dangerous to confront someone for saying the n word than it is to say it, then something is wrong. If the guy shouting racial epithets does it with impunity, while the guy who confronts him gets swung on, beer poured on him, etc, then that is a racist culture, and a racist community.
It should be that the racist is afraid to speak, not the other way around.