R1/3: Drake Maye QB UNC

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Congrats to everyone here. The two comps you’re probably going to see and hear for the next decade are Justin Herbert and Josh Allen.

He has that kind of upside. Maybe more of a project than Herbert, but less of a project than Allen.

I would have taken Maye over Daniels, simply due to age. Daniels didn’t really start dominating until he was 3 years older than everyone else on the field.
 

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I like the pick. I’d rather the Patriots just play him this year from the get go than waste time with Jacoby. Either way they’re going to be bad. I know this won’t happen, but I’m anxious to see what he can do.
 

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We've been talking extensively about Drake Maye for like a month, with several people giving detailed breakdowns of what he does well and he doesn't, I find it strange that no one who disliked him would show up to those threads to present their case, but now that he's been drafted there's been a ton of "oh, I watched him and I thought he stunk" sentiment.
1) I didn’t say he stunk

2) I avoided draft threads (and draft radio and draft TV) for 2 months leading up to last night

3) Maye was the right pick.
 

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1) I didn’t say he stunk

2) I avoided draft threads (and draft radio and draft TV) for 2 months leading up to last night

3) Maye was the right pick.
I'm not calling people out or anything, I just found it curious the tenor of the discussion in the lead up was very different from some of the reactions. We had a lot of people articulating why they didn't love Daniels or McCarthy, for instance, just not really Maye.
 

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The team from Washington did the Pats a huge solid. Maye is going to be awesome, last year's debacle was the best thing to happen to the Pats in years.
 

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I like the pick. I’d rather the Patriots just play him this year from the get go than waste time with Jacoby. Either way they’re going to be bad. I know this won’t happen, but I’m anxious to see what he can do.
It's not about how good or bad the team will be next year.

It's what's better for Maye's development. I'm one that thinks he'd be better sitting and learning for a good chunk of 2024.
 

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I think Maye is a good candidate to sit at least the start of the season, but if he's as good as Brissett in training camp (and odds are he won't be, I mean, even Mahomes looked like garbage to start his career according to Tyreek Hill), just start him right away. I wouldn't go into the season with my mind set one way or the other.
 

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It's not about how good or bad the team will be next year.

It's what's better for Maye's development. I'm one that thinks he'd be better sitting and learning for a good chunk of 2024.
Agreed. All the reports on him are that he has stuff that can and has to be cleaned up with coaching. Better to have him sit and work on those things in practice rather than force him onto the field too soon and have those bad habits become further ingrained.
 

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I'm not calling people out or anything, I just found it curious the tenor of the discussion in the lead up was very different from some of the reactions. We had a lot of people articulating why they didn't love Daniels or McCarthy, for instance, just not really Maye.
And I explained my post upthread clearly. I saw him play a game against my alma mater and didn't think he was other wordly or anything. I also think he was the right pick. So...
 

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Agreed. All the reports on him are that he has stuff that can and has to be cleaned up with coaching. Better to have him sit and work on those things in practice rather than force him onto the field too soon and have those bad habits become further ingrained.
I think guys getting broken early on is a thing. The whole Sam Darnold seeing ghosts thing.

At some level, confidence matters a lot at the position. And you can only gain confidence by prevailing in the face of adversity. Too much adversity too early is bad.

Letting Brissett start with a 21 year old Maye on the bench seems like a smart move.
 

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Rocket arm, good pocket awareness and mobility. Literally Anti-Mac. I'm very excited to see what our staff can do with this kid. Yes, he's a work in progress but damn are the elite traits there.
 

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There's 5.5 months before week 1. They don't need to make any QB1 declarations on 4/26. They don't have to start Maye immediately if they don't think he's ready but there's also nothing stopping them from starting him if he outperforms Jacoby in camp.
 

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I agree that the best interests of Maye and the Patriots might be for him to sit a while before taking over. But man are we going to hear the sports radio talk absolutely rip the Pats for that.

“You wasted a #3 pick on a guy who can’t even start for you? You could have had Marvin Harrison who is putting up all pro numbers and instead you drafted a QB who can’t even beat out Jacoby Brissett??”
 

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I agree that the best interests of Maye and the Patriots might be for him to sit a while before taking over. But man are we going to hear the sports radio talk absolutely rip the Pats for that.

“You wasted a #3 pick on a guy who can’t even start for you? You could have had Marvin Harrison who is putting up all pro numbers and instead you drafted a QB who can’t even beat out Jacoby Brissett??”
I don't think it'll happen because the guys who would push that the hardest would be Felger and Mazz and if it were up to them they'd only start a rookie QB after he turns 30.
 

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I agree that the best interests of Maye and the Patriots might be for him to sit a while before taking over. But man are we going to hear the sports radio talk absolutely rip the Pats for that.

“You wasted a #3 pick on a guy who can’t even start for you? You could have had Marvin Harrison who is putting up all pro numbers and instead you drafted a QB who can’t even beat out Jacoby Brissett??”
In the immortal words of David Bowie as portrayed by Jermaine Clement, "Oh, the media monkeys and the junket junkies will invite you to their plastic pantomime. Throw their invitations away!"
 

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  • Much happier with this than Daniels
  • I would rather have a boom or bust guy than someone who has a higher floor but then you have to decide if he's worth a second contract. If Maye isn't it we will probably know by year 3 and can move on.
  • I understand why they wouldn't but I'd want to start him sooner rather than later even if he's bad. You don't get a lot of practice reps now and time is ticking for him to develop. If he gets happy feet because he's under pressure or gets hit hard and never recovers then... we know that about him. Seems like there's no substitute for NFL game reps and we'd want to get him as many as possible. Taking the Josh Allen comp, he only sat for a game and a half before they decided to just play him and live with him being pretty bad for the first year.
 

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Jeremiah's Jordan Love comp to me is really spot on. They had very similar measurements and play styles, and if Maye ends up being what Love has shown he can be, I think we'll all be pretty happy with that. Hopefully Maye hits that level before Year 3 though.

I just don't see the Josh Allen comps. Allen was 15lb heavier and just had a different frame to him and a freak of an arm (Maye has a good arm, but Allen is just in a different class).

I do have faith in AVP and McAdoo as the right people to help Maye along. They've worked with a ton of QBs and it sounds like AVP is looking to implement more of the GB system than the Cleveland system, which works for me. Go get some more speed outside, a developmental LT, and maybe a Mekhi Becton to compete with Chuks for starting LT, and LFG.
 

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Jeremiah's Jordan Love comp to me is really spot on. They had very similar measurements and play styles, and if Maye ends up being what Love has shown he can be, I think we'll all be pretty happy with that. Hopefully Maye hits that level before Year 3 though.

I just don't see the Josh Allen comps. Allen was 15lb heavier and just had a different frame to him and a freak of an arm (Maye has a good arm, but Allen is just in a different class).

I do have faith in AVP and McAdoo as the right people to help Maye along. They've worked with a ton of QBs and it sounds like AVP is looking to implement more of the GB system than the Cleveland system, which works for me. Go get some more speed outside, a developmental LT, and maybe a Mekhi Becton to compete with Chuks for starting LT, and LFG.
Yeah, to me he's more Justin Herbert, but NFL Justin Herbert, who's more aggressive and challenges windows, because Oregon Herbert was stuck throwing dumbass screens all day. He's got Allen's play making instinct and he likes to run the ball more than Herbert does, but he's not going to be trucking linebackers or throwing 40 yard lasers with a DE hanging from his waist like Allen does every Sunday.
 

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Before the draft I thought the Pats should trade down to acquire more pick and try to pick up a QB or two later in the draft. However, Wolf read the first round perfectly and a decent QB wouldn't have been available later.

Now where does he go in the second round? Lots of wide receivers available but only a few tackles. Should be interesting.
 

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I think Maye is a good candidate to sit at least the start of the season, but if he's as good as Brissett in training camp (and odds are he won't be, I mean, even Mahomes looked like garbage to start his career according to Tyreek Hill), just start him right away. I wouldn't go into the season with my mind set one way or the other.
I think you are right that he should not be designated as the backup right out of the gate. There should be competition in camp. But I think "as good as Brissett" is the wrong standard. I would set it more as "he's got to clearly outplay Brissett in a way the coaches think will carry over into the season."

Jacoby Brissett is a legit NFL QB, even if his true level is somewhere between back-end starter and career backup. This isn't Scott Secules 1993, is what I mean. The Pats should run with him while Maye acclimates, unless Maye really steps up and seizes the job.

Edit: BTW, I can't remember if I have ever gone into a Pats draft wanting a particular guy and had that guy drafted. The last time the Pats picked this high, I wanted Cortez Kennedy, but the Pats traded out for 2 firsts and drafted Chris SIngleton and Ray Agnew.
 

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Who cares? Why are you obsessed with sports radio? There's a media forum, you know.
I'm not remotely "obsessed" with sports radio. It was just my way of saying that there will be lots of criticism out there, but I think the Pats might be wise to do it anyway, despite those chirping on the airwaves.
 

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I think you are right that he should not be designated as the backup right out of the gate. There should be competition in camp. But I think "as good as Brissett" is the wrong standard. I would set it more as "he's got to clearly outplay Brissett in a way the coaches think will carry over into the season."

Jacoby Brissett is a legit NFL QB, even if his true level is somewhere between back-end starter and career backup. This isn't Scott Secules 1993, is what I mean. The Pats should run with him while Maye acclimates, unless Maye really steps up and seizes the job.

Edit: BTW, I can't remember if I have ever gone into a Pats draft wanting a particular guy and had that guy drafted. The last time the Pats picked this high, I wanted Cortez Kennedy, but the Pats traded out for 2 firsts and drafted Chris SIngleton and Ray Agnew.
Why does he have to clearly outplay a veteran who has started multiple games in the league in order to play? If his baseline of performance is current Jacoby Brissett, throw him out there. If that's who he is day 1 that's a slam dunk. I really don't believe in the idea that guys that would have been great players get ruined by starting too soon. Maybe guys who could be adequate starters never reach that level, but if by September, 2024 Drake Maye is at Jacoby Brissett level, he should get every snap he can.
 

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I'm not remotely "obsessed" with sports radio. It was just my way of saying that there will be lots of criticism out there, but I think the Pats might be wise to do it anyway, despite those chirping on the airwaves.
It didn't hold BFB back much when the Boston sports intelligentsia trashed his pick of Richard Seymour over David Terrell (wasn't just Borges, Eddie Andelman almost had a stroke on air for a week).

Pundits gonna pundit. It has no connection to reality, only ratings.
 

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It didn't hold BRB back much when the Boston sports intelligentsia trashed his pick of Richard Seymour over David Terrell very much (wasn't just Borges, Eddie Andelman almost had a stroke on air for a week).

Pundits gonna pundit. It has no connection to reality, only ratings.
That's true. For some dumb reason (well, I was driving, that was the reason) I had WEEI on the other day and Jones was talking about the Bruins game 2 loss, and he said that even though Ullmark played well, he's still blaming the loss on the goalie rotation.

Sports radio can be soooo dumb.
 

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It didn't hold BFB back much when the Boston sports intelligentsia trashed his pick of Richard Seymour over David Terrell (wasn't just Borges, Eddie Andelman almost had a stroke on air for a week).

Pundits gonna pundit. It has no connection to reality, only ratings.
I believe Paul Perillo's on air words at the PFW In Progress draft show after the Richard Seymour pick were "I resign". Lol.
 

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I'm not remotely "obsessed" with sports radio. It was just my way of saying that there will be lots of criticism out there, but I think the Pats might be wise to do it anyway, despite those chirping on the airwaves.
I just don't see a reason to make up hypotheticals that may or may not happen. If your barometer of anything is sports radio then you really should have it re-calibrated. Criticism comes with the job.
 

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Why does he have to clearly outplay a veteran who has started multiple games in the league in order to play? If his baseline of performance is current Jacoby Brissett, throw him out there. If that's who he is day 1 that's a slam dunk. I really don't believe in the idea that guys that would have been great players get ruined by starting too soon. Maybe guys who could be adequate starters never reach that level, but if by September, 2024 Drake Maye is at Jacoby Brissett level, he should get every snap he can.
In general I agree he should play and work things out in live action. I would give it a few weeks for the OLINE to (hopefully) stabilize though. September is the extended preseason for these guys. We won't really lose anything if he starts from week 5 or 6 instead of week 1.
 

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In general I agree he should play and work things out in live action. I would give it a few weeks for the OLINE to (hopefully) stabilize though. September is the extended preseason for these guys. We won't really lose anything if he starts from week 5 or 6 instead of week 1.
Yeah, that's fair. Then again I also think Mac and Zappe had awful pocket awarenesse and pressure response and made the OL look far worse than it actually was. I think there's a reason both the previous and the current regimes consistently talk about it as less of a need than the fans and media do. But you're right, probably best to see how it comes together.
 

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I just don't see a reason to make up hypotheticals that may or may not happen. If your barometer of anything is sports radio then you really should have it re-calibrated. Criticism comes with the job.
I'll take that under advisement.
 

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That's true. For some dumb reason (well, I was driving, that was the reason) I had WEEI on the other day and Jones was talking about the Bruins game 2 loss, and he said that even though Ullmark played well, he's still blaming the loss on the goalie rotation.

Sports radio can be soooo dumb.
Agree with your conclusion, but don't forget that the example that you posted also includes a Bruins fan corollary: when the team loses, it's generally the goalie's fault.

Having watched that team religiously until my early/mid 30s, it seems that folks here (maybe elsewhere) will find a way to blame that guy first, whoever he is. Then there's one other scapegoat player (defenseman? overpaid eastern european scorer?), then the coach at #3. You can set your watch by it.
 

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He’s going to be a stud if they take their time with him.. The ringer did a detailed breakdown of all the QB’s passing charts that is quite interesting. Pinpoint% being the % of times the throw was perfect for the receiver, allowing for YAC. The kid was in the worst position of all the QB’s, and he still carried that terrible team on his back with awful protection and awful weapons. He’s good. Just give him time.

https://nfldraft.theringer.com/draft-grades?_ga=2.167398078.1823253925.1714141023-1180886558.1714141022

Charting tells us a lot about Maye. Maye is inaccurate, but with a pinpoint score of 58.4 percent, he isn’t prohibitively so. It’s also worth remarking: He averaged 9.2 air yards per attempt (second best of the top six quarterbacks in this draft), got just 32.8 percent of his yards after the catch (lowest in the class), and suffered a 7.8 percent drop rate (highest in the class).

Context is the world here. He was the best beyond the first read in this class and the best out of the pocket in this class—right up there at the top when throwing into a tight window as well, which he had to do on 25 percent of his dropbacks, which is a stupidly high number. Some of those tight windows come from Maye’s gamer approach and his willingness to attack any throw, but plenty come from a stale offensive scheme and poor wide receiver play. Maye had the UNC offense on his back all season. The rough edges in Maye’s game are certainly present in the numbers, but the high degree of difficulty is also present. That gives him a high NFL ceiling.
 

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As far as starting as a rookie, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, and Aaron Rodgers redshirted. If that’s the plan, WEEI is going to WEEI, and according to the ratings, fortunately fewer people than ever will be listening.



Back to Maye:

Lazar is probably the best film guy in the Pats media environment (right?), and he’s all in on Maye. Long breakdown with video here

https://www.patriots.com/news/film-review-analyzing-qb-drake-maye-s-fit-with-the-patriots

Posting a large sample because I think it’s the best summary I’ve seen:

Generally, the days where full-field progressions and traditional quarterback mechanics were the way to win are gone. Speaking to Peyton Manning on the ManningCast last season, Mahomes admitted to a shift in how the position is played. Nowadays, it's one or two in-structure reads, and if it's not there, then go make a play off-script. Your quarterback needs to make some plays in chaos, which is where Jones struggled. Mac could operate within the offense's framework. However, the working conditions needed to be nearly perfect, which isn't realistic in the NFL.
With that top of mind, my evaluation of the 2024 quarterback class came down to three non-negotiables for the third overall pick:
  • Elite physical traits (arm talent) to be a high-end playmaker in and out of structure. Must be an athlete at the position.
  • Generates easy velocity on throws from congested pockets or off-platform. Passers who must put all their weight into throws to hit NFL-sized windows need not apply.
  • A baseline level of mental processing and instincts. You want him to know how to play quarterback. Not just a big-armed athlete (no Zach Wilson's, please).

If a quarterback has zero physical limitations and his eyes are mostly in the right places, I'm willing to bet the rest will figure itself out. You can harp on the fine details all you want. But it's nit-picky to paint them as fatal flaws, with evidence from many top quarterbacks that you can fix things like footwork, throwing mechanics, and other QB minutia.
Due to those fundamental beliefs, the Patriots selecting former North Carolina quarterback Drake Maye with the third overall pick in the 2024 NFL Draft was a no-brainer. Maye led the FBS in big-time throws over the last two seasons (79) and has a manageable turnover and sack rate throughout his career. He makes franchise quarterback throws while limiting negative plays — sign me up.
There are fair critiques of areas where Maye needs to improve, particularly his footwork, that we'll address. But he, in many ways, is the anti-Mac Jones. Maye checks every box from a physical tools standpoint with prototypical size (6-4, 223 pounds) while playing the one, two, make a play brand that's taking over the NFL.
Furthermore, Maye is an ideal fit for offensive coordinator Alex Van Pelt's offense. Maye is a savvy middle-of-the-field thrower with "A+" arm talent to operate AVP's vertical concepts. He is also comfortable with pro-style elements like play-action and making checks at the line of scrimmage.
Traditionalists will label Maye as a project with a high ceiling and a low floor. However, there's a very large sample size suggesting Maye fits the mold as the new prototype for a modern NFL quarterback: elite arm talent, mobile, and an aggressive playmaker.
 
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After spending months tearing down Mac only to watch the Patriots draft him, I stayed out of this one.

Maye may or may not end up being a good QB, but he was 100% the right pick & now they just need to figure out how to develop him.

I think the only barometer for whether he should play next year & when is "will playing in this game be good for Drake Maye's development".

I don't care about camp battles or who gives the Patriots a slightly better chance of winning any given game next year. The whole new staff's job is getting the most they can out of Maye long term. Now they need to do their jobs.
 

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Where are we getting this "Lee Harvey" stuff? I see Drake Lee Maye on the internet, but not the other
 

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He’s going to be a stud if they take their time with him.. The ringer did a detailed breakdown of all the QB’s passing charts that is quite interesting. Pinpoint% being the % of times the throw was perfect for the receiver, allowing for YAC. The kid was in the worst position of all the QB’s, and he still carried that terrible team on his back with awful protection and awful weapons. He’s good. Just give him time.

https://nfldraft.theringer.com/draft-grades?_ga=2.167398078.1823253925.1714141023-1180886558.1714141022

Charting tells us a lot about Maye. Maye is inaccurate, but with a pinpoint score of 58.4 percent, he isn’t prohibitively so. It’s also worth remarking: He averaged 9.2 air yards per attempt (second best of the top six quarterbacks in this draft), got just 32.8 percent of his yards after the catch (lowest in the class), and suffered a 7.8 percent drop rate (highest in the class).

Context is the world here. He was the best beyond the first read in this class and the best out of the pocket in this class—right up there at the top when throwing into a tight window as well, which he had to do on 25 percent of his dropbacks, which is a stupidly high number. Some of those tight windows come from Maye’s gamer approach and his willingness to attack any throw, but plenty come from a stale offensive scheme and poor wide receiver play. Maye had the UNC offense on his back all season. The rough edges in Maye’s game are certainly present in the numbers, but the high degree of difficulty is also present. That gives him a high NFL ceiling.
Terrible team? They started 6-0
Not terrible weapons either
 

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Maybe their careers turn out similar (I hope not!), but Maye's strengths are like the exact opposite of Mac's. Maye has a cannon (Mac doesn't). Maye throws great off platform (Mac, uh, doesn't). Maye is an elite athlete (Mac isn't).
 

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Where are we getting this "Lee Harvey" stuff? I see Drake Lee Maye on the internet, but not the other
Yeah, I kinda want some more on this. Right now I can conceive of four answers to this and three of them are really, really bad.