Grant has contributed in a lot of other ways that it's not a big deal that he can't hit a three. Edwards is useless to an NBA team if he can't hit around 40% from three. I don't see him dogging a PG bringing the ball up the court as adding enough value to offset his bricklaying. If he was so devastating at it, all the other team would have to do to neutralize him would be to let someone else bring the ball up the court. No reason for Edwards to get minutes with Wanamaker and Green playing well off the pine. I love the idea of Edwards coming in and heating up from three, but it hasn't happened for him expect for a few minutes at the Carsen Mortgage FieldHouse in Cleveland.agree. Grant will be fine, he's finding his way.
Edwards just looks so flustered. He has to learn how to come off the bench and be a low volume shooter. Maybe a few games in Maineto regain his shot in-game would be useful. He also could add value by picking up the ball on defense full court, try to be a pest, drain the opponents shot clock and make it difficult for teams to get into their halfcourt offense.
I really like Grant/Carsen a lot and expect they'll be important rotational pieces by season end. I expect Brad will figure out a way to get them minutes and build up their confidence while not hurting the C's chances of winning.
This is horribly out of context, which has unfortunately become the norm on this board. He was a volume shooter taking an astronomical number of threes per game (10.6!). It's not like he was a bit her out there: he shot under 40% because of the difficulty of those shots. He only managed 44% on 2's but shot 50% the season before. College seasons are short and he was the only talent on his team. I could go on and on.
Yeah, I'm not super super high on Carsen, but citing raw FG% without dividing it into 2s and 3s barely rises to the level of sentient thought.
He wasn't a terribly good 3 point shooter either and he brings nothing else to the game. If he's not hitting the 3 at a good clip, he's useless. Of course I said Semi would be cut after a year but he's still playing so who knows.
Well damn, I wish the Celtics had access to his college stats before they signed him to that deal that guaranteed 3 years.
Wow, nine games in and 'Arsen is already washing out. Tough crowd.
That's fine but I think that's all Edwards is. He's a guy who's most likely playing somewhere else in year 4 and we won't miss him at all. I don't think he's a particularly good basketball player, especially in comparison to Grant Williams. One guy has to make his shots, the other doesn't.
Why?
But he only shot 36% on contested, off-the-dribble 3s at high volume in college! He's a bum!
Do you actually have those stats or are you just assuming every single 3 point shot he took was a contested off the dribble 3? If you have the stats, link me to them please.
And somewhere some of the same cats still have candles lit for Dragan Bender after three years of NBA suck and a few nice games for the Mad Ants or wherever the fuck he is.
Though he might be an exception that proves the rule ....JJ Barea was right at 40% in college.
While it was a preseason game, only 1 NBA player has ever hit more 3-pointers in a quarter and none have hit more 30 footers in a quarter in the history of the NBA.
I didn't call him useless. I said if he's not hitting 3 pointers, he's useless. And judging by everyone's comments, they actually agree with me.
Carsen isn't really playing many high leverage minutes. AND I agree he shouldn't play those minutes until he gets comfortable.
Carsen has .1 win shares in 8 games, according to BBREF. Dragan Bender accumulated .2 win shares in 171 games.
Did you actually watch any of the preseason? Or follow any of the post-draft stuff on Edwards this summer? Yes, if he's not hitting 3s his value is nil, that almost definitely won't be a problem if you've been watching the kid. You're overreacting to a rookie going through a cold streak in his first 8 games as he adjusts to a bench role he probably has NEVER had in his life. Also, the difference between him being a 25% shooter and a 40% shooter right now is a grand total of 3 made shots.
I agree with you that it's way, way, way too early to just Arsen. But being better than Dragan Bender also doesn't show that someone is an NBA player!
No doubt. Just pointing out that it took a metric shitton more than 8 games for people to give up on Dragan. Some here maybe still haven't.
+1. This experimentation is absolutely what Brad should be doing at this point in the season.
And giving Edwards a few minutes in the second quarter early in the season is the perfect time to see when (if?) he gets hot again, to find out if he can heat up as quickly as a microwave (the essential Vinnie Johnson characteristic), and to find out whether he can handle the ball on offense and pressure the ball on defense. I wouldn't expect sharp team defense from Edwards for at least a year, and I wouldn't cut bait on him for muffing a few rotations in 2019.
'Arsen is a 5'11" shooters playing among the best guys in the world and for the first time in his life, he is facing multiple defenders who are several to many inches bigger than he is and are the best athletes in the world. He's also coming in for spurts and is trying to play within a team framework instead of being a focal point of the offense.
I see VanVleet, who scored 107pts his rookie year...Fred had 3 games his rookie year where he scored double-figures, Carsen has done it twice already.
that's fine, you're completely entitled to your opinion, and you could be right (the odds say 2nd rounders usually don't amount to much).
College but I'm also not a fan of SG in PG bodies. I don't think anyone disagrees he has to hit the 3 to have value in the NBA. That's his game. There's no way around it. You either think he'll hit them at a well enough clip to have some value or you don't. He's not in the NBA for his defense or passing ability.
agreed, he will have to hit 3s at an above-average clip to have value.
He's taking a lot of shots from not good spots, which makes me think he has a hard time getting to his spots.
Just putting this here from the Carsen draft pick thread. He has shown a lot of talent on the basketball court, starting to doubt him based on 86 minutes and 20 shots is really silly.
He's only shooting 36.0% from 3P land so I suspect he'll be out of the NBA before the end of next year.
I still don't think he's going to be a good NBA player. He had a good offensive game but pretty much everyone did. It was 140-133.
If Edwards hits deep 3s, it really doesn't matter which team is defending him. for example, his quick release torched Hunter, Guy, Jerome in the tourney.
If things work out really well, I have him compared to players like JR Smith, Ben Gordon, Eric Gordon. Maybe he's going to be a lot better defensively than I give him credit for or develop a decent passing game.
JR Smith, Ben Gordon or Eric Gordon offensively would be great outcomes.
He really didn't play OK D. If you just focus on him on defense, a lot of the breakdowns start by him losing his man. He's also a step slow and his guard can quickly get around him. He needs a tremendous amount of work just to become average.
The 2nd half. I don't think anyone bothered playing defense yesterday so I can't judge him on his D. He hit a bunch of 3s but also drove a few times with ugly results.
