Price is right

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Soapbox warning:

I completely understand that many Red Sox fans have very strong negative feelings about David Price. I’m not going to get into a debate about right or wrong because all opinions are valid.

Everything I’ve read or heard about Price is that he’s a great teammate. Did you see his reaction in the ‘pen last night after Benny made the play of this life?

He’s made mistakes dealing with the media but why should we care? We all know about Price’s postseason failures, some of which were not his fault. I believe the Red Sox would not have made the postseason in 2017 without Price pitching in relief down the stretch. The Red Sox would not have won 108 games without him. I know he’s sucked against the Yankees. Pedro did also many times. I’m not comparing Price to Pedro, just the situation.

I’m not wearing rose-colored glasses and being a Pollyanna. I see the same issues as you. DP has gone out of his way to praise the fans and people of Boston despite the manner in which he’s treated.

We need David Price’s help tonight and if the Red Sox move on, he’ll need to come through. How about we take a break from the vitriol and take a positive approach? It can’t hurt, it can only help.

Rant over.

#DoDamage
Oh man, I am so here for this.

SO SAY WE ALL.
 

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Price relentlessly busting guys inside with mid-90s heat all night, throwing zeros in a game when the bullpen needed him to go at least 5 innings on 3 days' rest after having warmed up in the bullpen the night before, and a loss would mean uncertainty for the entire pitching staff going into Game 6 with the ripple effects possibly extending into Game 7. He stepped up big when it mattered most. The man's a warrior in my book.
 

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Price pitched amazing tonight. With our strike zone blocked out for advertising spots here in Canada, I just enjoyed the hard fastballs, busting up batters inside and then flailing away at an unhittable change up. It was a thing of beauty and I loved every minute of it

That's the pitcher we wanted when he was signed and he threw that monkey into a lake to drown tonight
 

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Has anyone commented or asked about the thought process for taking price out - wasn’t he in on 92 pitches when he came out. Was there some kind of just in case planning going on for a potential game 7?
 

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Price relentlessly busting guys inside with mid-90s heat all night, throwing zeros in a game when the bullpen needed him to go at least 5 innings on 3 days' rest after having warmed up in the bullpen the night before, and a loss would mean uncertainty for the entire pitching staff going into Game 6 with the ripple effects possibly extending into Game 7. He stepped up big when it mattered most. The man's a warrior in my book.
Lets hope this aspect isn't forgotten. The Sox now have till Tuesday to rest everyone up. Not to short, not too long.
 

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Has anyone commented or asked about the thought process for taking price out - wasn’t he in on 92 pitches when he came out. Was there some kind of just in case planning going on for a potential game 7?
Price was starting his 3rd time through the lineup. While 93 pitches doesn't seem a lot, he was working on 3 days rest, and had a long bullpen session the night prior. And those are 93 fairly high effort pitches.
 

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Shades of when Lackey beat Verlander in 2013. Price is the better pitcher, but in terms of likelihood. Unreal. Tip of the cap to Price.
 

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Price was starting his 3rd time through the lineup. While 93 pitches doesn't seem a lot, he was working on 3 days rest, and had a long bullpen session the night prior. And those are 93 fairly high effort pitches.
Yeah, I detest Strikeout McRelieverball and six innings was pretty close to where I would go with a guy on 3 days of rest who probably isn't 100% healthy. Maybe you eke out one more inning out of him but that's it.
 

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The fact that Price's post-season ERA could drop by half a run or more after a single game is all the proof you need to show the sample size was too small to draw conclusions about Price. I get the narrative. But it was stupid.
 

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Price is one of just 3 Sox pitchers to throw 6+ innings in postseason, with 0 runs and 0 walks--others were Lackey and Beckett.
 

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David Price's pitching line the last two postseasons:

19.0 ip, 16 h, 7 r, 7 er, 8 bb, 19 k, 3.32 era, 1.26 whip, 9.0 k/9

Against 101-win Houston (2017), 100-win NY (2018), and 103-win Houston (2018).
 

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The fact that Price's post-season ERA could drop by half a run or more after a single game is all the proof you need to show the sample size was too small to draw conclusions about Price. I get the narrative. But it was stupid.
I’m deliriously happy about Price last night. But for me, the post season narrative over time also includes his poor record against NY. Pressure games and all.

This is a great pitcher who seemed to put too much pressure on himself in those big spots. True, he often got victimized by poor run support. But it remains true that there’s been a pretty big drop off in October (as a starter) and against his team’s biggest rival. Last night’s success could have been down to a bunch of things. He might have figured something out in the pen on Wednesday night, he might pitch better on short rest and he possibly finally just said “screw that noise” and went out and pitched as he can. So while I’m totally happy as a Sox fan and am very happy for him, and am also optimistic that he can continue to do well this October, I don’t think the sample size is so small as to not tell is anything about him and what’s happened in the past.
 

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Soapbox warning:

I completely understand that many Red Sox fans have very strong negative feelings about David Price. I’m not going to get into a debate about right or wrong because all opinions are valid.

Everything I’ve read or heard about Price is that he’s a great teammate. Did you see his reaction in the ‘pen last night after Benny made the play of this life?

He’s made mistakes dealing with the media but why should we care? We all know about Price’s postseason failures, some of which were not his fault. I believe the Red Sox would not have made the postseason in 2017 without Price pitching in relief down the stretch. The Red Sox would not have won 108 games without him. I know he’s sucked against the Yankees. Pedro did also many times. I’m not comparing Price to Pedro, just the situation.

I’m not wearing rose-colored glasses and being a Pollyanna. I see the same issues as you. DP has gone out of his way to praise the fans and people of Boston despite the manner in which he’s treated.

We need David Price’s help tonight and if the Red Sox move on, he’ll need to come through. How about we take a break from the vitriol and take a positive approach? It can’t hurt, it can only help.

Rant over.

#DoDamage
I am 1000 percent here for this take. What a hell of a game last night -- and despite the few roadbumps against the Yankees, he's had a season to remember.

He seemed like a new pitcher last night... improved velocity, pretty excellent control (no walks!) and was making hitters look pretty silly with all those Ks. Huge performance given the state of the pitching staff. Now everyone can relax and rest up for a few days.
 

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The fact that Price's post-season ERA could drop by half a run or more after a single game is all the proof you need to show the sample size was too small to draw conclusions about Price. I get the narrative. But it was stupid.
No it wasnt. 10 postseason games is plenty of sample to say he pitches like a dog in the playoffs.

Luckily, 1 postseason game with this type of performance goes a long way to a second act of Prices biography. He earned the reputation, and he earned the adulation last night. But people remember things in context, especially irony. Bucky Fucking Dent wasnt a homerun monster, and David Price isnt superman in the playoffs. It's what makes the moment so beautiful.

Heres hoping this is the start of a new trend for Price, and not the memorable outlier.
 

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No it wasnt. 10 postseason games is plenty of sample to say he pitches like a dog in the playoffs.
No doubt he pitched like a dog in a majority of his starts. Also no doubt, IMO, that it had zero predictive value.

Good thing Mookie will be on the World Series roster. They might need a defensive replacement. It wont be due to his (in)ability to hit in the playoffs.
 

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Apologies if this was posted and I missed it, tons of threads and posts and it's been dusty in here reading them all.

Last night Price threw 37 percent changups. In game 2 he threw 11 percent changeups. His fastball when from 31 (4-seam) and 35 (2-seam) to (27 4-seam) and 19 (2-seam) percent.

It was the most changeups he's ever thrown. He also had 2 or 3 of the top 4 fastest pitches he threw all season last night.

He said he found something throwing in the bullpen Wednesday night. I really would like to know what he discovered that kinda made him a completely different pitcher for one night.
 

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Apologies if this was posted and I missed it, tons of threads and posts and it's been dusty in here reading them all.

Last night Price threw 37 percent changups. In game 2 he threw 11 percent changeups. His fastball when from 31 (4-seam) and 35 (2-seam) to (27 4-seam) and 19 (2-seam) percent.

It was the most changeups he's ever thrown. He also had 2 or 3 of the top 4 fastest pitches he threw all season last night.

He said he found something throwing in the bullpen Wednesday night. I really would like to know what he discovered that kinda made him a completely different pitcher for one night.
When he hit 96, my first thought was that he thought it was his last inning so he was airing it out. But I think it was in the 4th and he went 2 more.
 

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In a 4 game LCS span he out pitched Garrit Cole and Verlander. Not too shabby.
 

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I have no idea what happened last night. Fastball barely touching 93 in most starts, suddenly was 95-96 and dotted. That makes all the difference when his change is 88-89. Correa was also saying in postgame he could not pick up the changeup at all.
 

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I have no idea what happened last night. Fastball barely touching 93 in most starts, suddenly was 95-96 and dotted. That makes all the difference when his change is 88-89.
He said in post that he 'figured something out' in the bullpen the night before. He might continue to throw the night before his starts based on this. I'm guessing it was mechanical.
 

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I have no idea what happened last night. Fastball barely touching 93 in most starts, suddenly was 95-96 and dotted. That makes all the difference when his change is 88-89. Correa was also saying in postgame he could not pick up the changeup at all.
I'll leave it to the video savants, but that suggests that one change he made resulted in hiding his delivery better. Was he positioned differently?
 

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Lets hope this aspect isn't forgotten. The Sox now have till Tuesday to rest everyone up. Not to short, not too long.
This is absolutely huge. I was getting an '04 vibe the last few days - I've always been convinced that everything broke perfectly for the Sox in winning those first four World Series games and that they would have had a hard time keeping it going pitching-wise had they been forced to pitch game 5 or beyond (Could Schilling have gone another game? Was there anything left in Lowe's tank?). Similarly, I questioned how well the Sox pitching would have held up had they had they been forced to pitch one or two games this weekend, especially with Sale likely compromised and Price unable to make another start. Closing out the ALCS last night and getting to hit the reset button is a tremendous advantage for the Sox, especially with LA and the Brew Crew having to go at least one more and maybe two more games before the winner gets to the WS.
 

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Having followed Price closely down here I’ve akways liked him. From everything I knew of him great guy and great teammate. Amazing effort last night. So happy for him.
 

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So which "expert" on MLB Network does Cora think should apologize to Price?

https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-red-sox/2018/10/19/alex-cora-david-price-mlb-network
apparently it was some WFAN wannabe.

He said in post that he 'figured something out' in the bullpen the night before. He might continue to throw the night before his starts based on this. I'm guessing it was mechanical.
yeah I saw this everywhere. unusual but if that is what works for him...
 

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I have no idea what happened last night. Fastball barely touching 93 in most starts, suddenly was 95-96 and dotted. That makes all the difference when his change is 88-89. Correa was also saying in postgame he could not pick up the changeup at all.
He found a CPAP machine. It's obvious.
 

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Just rewatching some Price highlights from last night and damn, he was fucking painting AND fooling guys last night. Makes a nice fielding play, as well.

Loved the emotion when he got that last strikeout at the end of the 6th. Even from the back, you could tell he was AMPED.
 

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FTR, I'm more convinced than ever that we should split up Sale and Price in the rotation, and put Eovaldi in the middle. Whoever we play won't be able to send out the same righty heavy lineup two games in a row, and allow guys to get comfortable and in a groove...

But whatever happens, really happy for David Price to get this monkey off his back. Timing could not have been better either.
 

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FTR, I'm more convinced than ever that we should split up Sale and Price in the rotation, and put Eovaldi in the middle. Whoever we play won't be able to send out the same righty heavy lineup two games in a row, and allow guys to get comfortable and in a groove...

But whatever happens, really happy for David Price to get this monkey off his back. Timing could not have been better either.
Not baseball but the best get the monkey off my back ever:

 

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It’s funny that someone brought up Allen Iverson in this thread last night. Talk about a hated player and he embraced the anti-hero role like no one before Ali and maybe no one since.

Price is on the spectrum of that kind of irrational dislike but as he admitted recently himself that he contributes to the narrative and he accepts his responsibility for his role in the soap opera. He’s a quirky dude with extreme pitching talent. Let David be David.
 

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Wondering if Cora is giving any thought to holding Price until game 3 in LA. Game 2 temps are supposed to be in the mid 40's, that's what it was when he experienced the numbness in his hand due to poor circulation.
 

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Wondering if Cora is giving any thought to holding Price until game 3 in LA. Game 2 temps are supposed to be in the mid 40's, that's what it was when he experienced the numbness in his hand due to poor circulation.
Yep, I'd pitch Price in Game 3 in Dodger Stadium and pitch Eovaldi in Game 2.
 

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Wondering if Cora is giving any thought to holding Price until game 3 in LA. Game 2 temps are supposed to be in the mid 40's, that's what it was when he experienced the numbness in his hand due to poor circulation.
And that numbness has since been attributed to his carpal tunnel issues. The week before his "numbness" game he threw seven shutout innings at Fenway with a first pitch temp of 40 degrees. Cold weather is not a disqualifying factor for Price.