Footie seems to punish teams that don't take their chances to put teams away more consistently than any other sport.
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West Ham spits in the face of your conventional wisdom by wasting another
Slaven Bilic's suits seem a bit cheap. His belt and buckle seem a bit tacky. I can see Utd nicking a winner. And Bilic talking about how proud he is of his players even though they should have won. And LVG saying he is very happy. Very happy. Some on West Ham, sort it out.
In fairness, Martial's a wonderful player. Good enough that even his accidents have a chance to go in. They maybe should sell him to one of the big clubs.
Oh man, Blind was awful there. Couldn't decide whether to go with the onside trap or to defend and he ended up doing neither.
Oh baby, just as i was about to slag off the Hammers fans...and my dad's texting me, from agony to ecstacy in three text messages.
He's very level headed.
Can we hold on.
Short lived - bugger.
Hard Luck De Gea.
I might have to troll the old boy.
Would Fellaini have started today? United really look smaller on set pieces and I wonder whether Fellaini would have made a difference and given Blind and the others a bit of relief.
I know his usage patterns have been inconsistent, but watching the play in the boxes today, it really seems like he could have made a difference.
I know his usage patterns have been inconsistent, but watching the play in the boxes today, it really seems like he could have made a difference.
Every other Rooney touch is a long ball or a shot. Has to be frustrating to play with him, even if he is adjusting to a new position.
yea and they're saying Rooney ought to play with Kane up front in the Euros ahead of Vardy. He's playing awfy deep tonight.
And you have to make sure your grandmother isn't dressed provocatively at the match
Great stuff from West Ham, fantastic way to say goodbye to the stadium.
Also a good way for LVG to (potentially) go out: Wins possession, gets out shot 20-3!
Also a good way for LVG to (potentially) go out: Wins possession, gets out shot 20-3!
So, can West Ham clinch Europa league now by winning this weekend at Stoke?
Or would they still lose out if Liverpool win both of their remaining games and Crystal Palace wins the FA Cup?
Or would they still lose out if Liverpool win both of their remaining games and Crystal Palace wins the FA Cup?
I'm pretty sure that they are guaranteed the spot as long as they beat Stoke. With City a lock for top 5, the 6th finishing team in the league now is a lock for Europa league and West Ham can finish no lower than 6th if they win their next game. The ManU-Palace match will determine whether the last spot goes to Palace (if they win) or the 7th place team in the league (if United win). So if West Ham beat Stoke, then the 7th spot (if available, via a ManU FA Cup win) will be contested between Liverpool and Soton. That's my understanding at least.
Ah right, I think that's correct, because even with their game in hand Liverpool cannot catch West Ham if they beat Stoke.
It's going to be fun watching City lose to Swansea, only for United to give up a 96th minute equalizer to Bournemouth.
So if Liverpool win the Europa League, they qualify for the CL even if 8th (and don't displace the #4 team). But if they lose to Sevilla, then in order to make the Europa league at all, they need to finish 7th (currently 2 points behind the Saints with a game in hand) and have United win the FA Cup. Is that right?
Yeah, I think that's it. They can still finish anywhere from 5th to 8th. 5th, 6th, and FA Cup Winner/7th get Europa.
I think if Liverpool finishes 5th-7th but get into the CL by beating Sevilla England loses that Europa spot.
I read somewhere they do lose it if Liverpool earn the spot but get into the Champions League by beating Sevilla. It would go from 4 CL and 3 EL spots to 5 CL and 2 EL, although I think they would keep the 3 EL spots if Liverpool finish 8th.
In other words, there's no way the 8th place team gets into the Europa League, even if Liverpool beat Sevilla.
EDIT: it's the Daily Mail, but they explain all the scenarios.
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http://talksport.com/football/europa-league-and-champions-league-qualification-what-finishing-fourth-fifth-sixth-seventh
Eighth place in the Premier League will definitely provide Europa League qualification if...
Liverpool win the Europa League and finish seventh in the Premier League AND Manchester United win the FA Cup and finish in the top six in the Premier League AND Manchester City qualify for the Champions League (by finishing top four)
Well, either TalkSport or the Daily Mail is wrong (see my edited post above).
And yes, I know defending anything written in the Daily Mail is usually a bad idea.
And yes, I know defending anything written in the Daily Mail is usually a bad idea.
I think the true answer is that it depends, here's a sky sports article from yesterday:
That means fifth, sixth and the FA Cup winners will qualify for the Europa League. If Manchester United win the FA Cup and finish in the top six, however, then the team who finish seventh will also earn a spot in the Europa League's third qualifying round.
The situation could be further complicated by Liverpool, who cannot finish in the top four but will become the fifth Premier League team to qualify for the Champions League if they beat Sevilla in next week's Europa League final.
If Liverpool win the Europa League and finish in the top seven, then the Premier League is likely to lose one of its spots in next year's Europa League, meaning seventh place is not a guarantee of European qualification.
But in the event that Liverpool win the Europa League and finish eighth, the Premier League would be represented in Europe by eight teams - five in the Champions League and three in the Europa.
Another scenario in which the Premier League could have eight teams in Europe is if Crystal Palace win the FA Cup and Liverpool win the Europa League and finish seventh. The Premier League would also have eight teams in Europe if Liverpool won the Europa League and finish seventh and Manchester Untied win the FA Cup and finish eighth.
That pretty much matches what I said. Assuming Man United beat Palace (which is by no means a sure thing), If Liverpool finish 8th and win the EL, England gets 5 CL and 3 EL slots. But if Liverpool finish 7th and win the EL, they go to the CL but England loses the 3rd EL spot that otherwise would have gone to Liverpool.
The goofiest scenario would have been Palace winning the FA Cup, City winning the CL and finishing 7th, and Liverpool winning the EL and finishing 8th.
The goofiest scenario would have been Palace winning the FA Cup, City winning the CL and finishing 7th, and Liverpool winning the EL and finishing 8th.
I'm just going from Wikipedia here, but it says in relevant part:
Likewise, the Champions League page says that if the Europa (or CL) winners do not otherwise qualify through their domestic league finish, their league in effect gets 5 entrants into the CL. As Spain did this past year.
Based on how I read this, I believe England's Europa League spots go to:
- League cup winner (Man City) -> obviated by CL qualification, goes to next-highest qualifier, enters at 3rd Qual Round
- #5 team
- FA Cup winner - obviated if Man U, would go to next-highest qualifier
And if Liverpool wins the Europa and thereby qualifies for the CL, then England gets 5 CL spots and 3 Europa spots, either Palace or the #8 team. That's how I've been reading it, but maybe England's FA has different rules.
Finishing runner-up in the FA Cup used to get you the UEFA Cup slot if the winner was already in Europe through league position, but they changed it to the next-highest league finisher a couple years ago. The League Cup has always worked that way (runner-up doesn't qualify automatically), which is why Liverpool don't have anything guaranteed through losing the final this year.
From what I've read, the only way England ends up with only 2 EL places is if Liverpool finishes in one of the EL spots but qualifies for the CL by beating Sevilla.
From what I've read, the only way England ends up with only 2 EL places is if Liverpool finishes in one of the EL spots but qualifies for the CL by beating Sevilla.
This is already an infinitely more entertaining match than the ManU one last weekend.
It's no surprise our defending is trash. It's more of a shock that we've scored 2. First goals in a month.
It's no surprise our defending is trash. It's more of a shock that we've scored 2. First goals in a month.
If you guys escape relegation, I wonder what kind of odds you'll have to win the title next year...
25,000-1.
I'm not really joking either. We're kinda trash. Our defense is awful and needs an overhaul.
As does the organization: the last youth player from our system who's made any type of impact for Norwich is Rob Green.
I'm not really joking either. We're kinda trash. Our defense is awful and needs an overhaul.
As does the organization: the last youth player from our system who's made any type of impact for Norwich is Rob Green.