Porzingis accused of rape in New York

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From that link, Porzingis lawyer:
"We are aware of the complaint that was made against Mr. Porzingis on Friday and unequivocally deny the allegations," Riopelle said. "We made a formal referral to federal law enforcement on December 20th, 2018, based on the accuser's extortionate demands. We also alerted the National Basketball Association months ago and they are aware of the ongoing investigation of the accuser by federal law enforcement. We cannot comment further on an ongoing federal investigation. Please refer any questions to the Federal Bureau of Investigation or the National Basketball Association."
And this is the weird part of the allegation:
Porzingis was playing for the New York Knicks and had sustained a torn ACL just hours before the alleged attack, which the woman told police happened Feb. 7, 2018, at the Sky building in New York where Porzingis lived.

The woman, who reportedly lived in the same building, said she had accepted an invitation to Porzingis' apartment prior to the alleged attack.
 

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So this was known before the trade...I guess..."we also alerted the (NBA) months ago." Trade was 2/1.
 

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According to reporting, the alleged incident occured a few hours after he blew his ACL last year.
But she didn't report it to the police until this week. It's not exactly clear when the Knicks became aware of the incident.
 

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Woj says:

"On the February trade call to finalize the Dallas-New York deal, the Knicks informed the Mavericks of the pending rape allegation against Kristaps Porzingis, league sources tell ESPN. The league office had been previously made aware of the allegations."

Also the FBI is evidently investigating this as extortion from the woman, that investigation began in December.
 

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According to reporting, the alleged incident occured a few hours after he blew his ACL last year.
I can speak of a comp when I broke my ankle in a college scrimmage. Body in shock so didn’t feel anything after the initial trauma but was given “(something)-Pro” which was like a super strong Advil as a painkiller. After release from hospital as an 18-year old even with hormones flying all over the place the last thing I cared about that day was pu**y.......never mind actually forcing myself on a girl.

Always careful to not believe an accuser but with only this information available it doesn’t really pass the smell test from my seat.
 

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I can speak of a comp when I broke my ankle in a college scrimmage. Body in shock so didn’t feel anything after the initial trauma but was given “(something)-Pro” which was like a super strong Advil as a painkiller. After release from hospital as an 18-year old even with hormones flying all over the place the last thing I cared about that day was pu**y.......never mind actually forcing myself on a girl.

Always careful to not believe an accuser but with only this information available it doesn’t really pass the smell test from my seat.
Well, the reporting could be inaccurate, or the woman could have misstated the date, I guess. But if nothing like that happened, then, yes, this seems doubtful.
 

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I don’t know, but it is not a great look for the Mavericks, especially with the organization harassment issues.
 

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NBAPA coming out with a statement of support bodes well for Porzingis. There’s some hedge in here, but they wouldn’t come out with this on allegations this serious if they didn’t have a solid reason to doubt them. Likewise, the Mavs, with all the scrutiny that should be on them and their own sexual assault issues, must’ve had evidence the allegations weren’t true when they moved for him. Cuban may be a creep, but he’s not an idiot.

The SI story mentions that he had gone the FBI about an extortion attempt prior to her going to the police and this sounds like a relationship gone very wrong, so he may have well done something wrong, but seems like this specific allegation appears dubious at the moment based on what evidence is available to those looking at it.
 

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Is this true? I suppose it's theoretically possible to rape someone with a torn ACL, but really...
A torn ACL isn't particularly debilitating, you can walk and sometimes even run on it, it would in no way prevent him from doing the things he is accused of
 

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This thing just reeks of extortion, his name being misspelled on the "contract" and the discussion about this contract not being available to examine signature are not confidence inspiring. To be clear, if he did assault this woman - I hope the legal system works. This is another warning to professional athletes both Male and Female that there are people looking for a way to make money off situations. It's nothing new but it just seems that many professional athletes still have not caught up with today's social media infused world and the additional precautions that must be taken for all interactions.
 

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68K?
WTF?
Does a woman get raped and ask for 68K? (I would hope that a woman in that situation would seek more as punishment and to of course press charges).
Does a woman allege rape in an extortion attempt and ask for 68k? (if your going to risk it dont you want the reward?)
100k, 250k ok but 68k? Thats weird.
If your asking for "just enough to get away with the allegation" then why not 50 or 75?
 

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68K?
WTF?
Does a woman get raped and ask for 68K? (I would hope that a woman in that situation would seek more as punishment and to of course press charges).
Does a woman allege rape in an extortion attempt and ask for 68k? (if your going to risk it dont you want the reward?)
100k, 250k ok but 68k? Thats weird.
If your asking for "just enough to get away with the allegation" then why not 50 or 75?
It was the cost of tuition.
 

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68K?
WTF?
Does a woman get raped and ask for 68K? (I would hope that a woman in that situation would seek more as punishment and to of course press charges).
Does a woman allege rape in an extortion attempt and ask for 68k? (if your going to risk it dont you want the reward?)
100k, 250k ok but 68k? Thats weird.
If your asking for "just enough to get away with the allegation" then why not 50 or 75?
She has a document alledgedly signed by Porzingis agreeing to pay the college tuition for her brother(?) which was $68k.
 

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He didnt need a laptop? or Spending money or a private room?

"Yea he raped me, and so all I want is what he promised me, my Brothers tuition. For one year...".

I have a feeling this woman is the reason why (IMHO Real) victims have such a hard time.
 

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Just a gentle reminder that survivors of sexual assault are among those reading this thread. That doesn’t mean you need to believe the allegations against Porzingis, or that we can’t discuss the particulars, but a few posts upthread lack the sensitivity I’d expect folks to show in any discussion of sexual assault.
 

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68K?
WTF?
Does a woman get raped and ask for 68K? (I would hope that a woman in that situation would seek more as punishment and to of course press charges).
Does a woman allege rape in an extortion attempt and ask for 68k? (if your going to risk it dont you want the reward?)
100k, 250k ok but 68k? Thats weird.
If your asking for "just enough to get away with the allegation" then why not 50 or 75?
Some people don't want the publicity and humiliation and doubting (which lots of people here are doing) that would be required to press charges, and instead will decide that taking some money and continued silence is the least-bad choice for themselves.

It's pretty easy for you to sit here and say "well if it's true why didn't she press charges" when you've (edit: I assume, from context) never been raped, and thus had to consider the question. Doubly so when choosing to go public with an accusation results in all sorts of people suddenly discovering an expertise in criminology and issuing a ruling that (coincidentally!) always favors an accused man.

Me, I'm going to sit back and let facts develop until we're given an official statement representing the NYPD or FBI's position on the matter. Which I would do if she had accused him of stealing from her corner store, nevermind the violent acts involved here.

edit: also, Blacken wins the thread, sadly.
 
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You said the quiet part loud.
C'mon, please do better than this. This is driveby bullshit where you're for some reason intentionally misrepresenting his point. It's poor phrasing on his part, but the obvious intention was to say he's mindful of the danger of not believing an accuser. The dead giveaway is the "but" immediately afterwards to contrast it to this instance not passing the smell test. If he meant it the way you're accusing him of, it would have been a comma or "and".

If you want to take umbrage with his whole statement, have at it, but highlighting clumsy phrasing, separating it from its context, and then acting as if it means the exact opposite of its obvious intended meaning is poor. Maybe give someone the benefit of the doubt for a split second before going into attack mode, ya?
 

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(straw man of always favoring the accused aside..)

Fair enough Insta but thats also part of the problem. If people who have been raped dont speak up then they allow rapists to continue.

Plus I personally find it difficult to marry the idea that this person just wants this to go away (to paraphrase your post).....but also the 68k. So if the accused refused (which seemingly he did) now they want him to face consequences or do they just let things go? Privacy was 68K important? But justice was not 68K important.

I am firmly on a Rape victims side. But this certainly seems like its fishy, even with your suggestion that she is somehow a wilting violet that was concerned enough about keeping this private that she sent his high profile employers her demands. (as opposed to her attorney contacting him directly and privately).

At the end of the day you are dealing with people, and people of both sexes can be vicious, greedy and opportunistic. So defaulting one way or another seems a bad plan, even if with the best of intentions.I think its fair to question accusations (which is all I have done), especially considering innocent until proven etc etc..

I too will be very interested in how this shakes out.
 

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Fair enough Insta but thats also part of the problem. If people who have been raped dont speak up then they allow rapists to continue.
Its neither fair nor reasonable to expect victims to take this stance.
 

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C'mon, please do better than this. This is driveby bullshit where you're for some reason intentionally misrepresenting his point. It's poor phrasing on his part, but the obvious intention was to say he's mindful of the danger of not believing an accuser. The dead giveaway is the "but" immediately afterwards to contrast it to this instance not passing the smell test. If he meant it the way you're accusing him of, it would have been a comma or "and".

If you want to take umbrage with his whole statement, have at it, but highlighting clumsy phrasing, separating it from its context, and then acting as if it means the exact opposite of its obvious intended meaning is poor. Maybe give someone the benefit of the doubt for a split second before going into attack mode, ya?
Counterpoint:
(A) HRB's was the most Freudian of typos, with a stray "not" in the worst possible spot. I mean, it even held up grammatically.
(B) Blacken's post was both pithy, funny, and subtle social commentary, in a mere 6 words (despite a typo of his own). We need humor in topics like these. I don't think he meant any real derision of HRB.
 

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Dev, Nothing is fair or reasonable about being raped. But its the truth. As blunt as that sounds someone who does not report a rape for their own reasons, is allowing someone to get away with a crime. Not only to them but potentially others.
 

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Dev, Nothing is fair or reasonable about being raped. But its the truth. As blunt as that sounds someone who does not report a rape for their own reasons, is allowing someone to get away with a crime. Not only to them but potentially others.
Dude, literally every single time there’s a thread on this subject.

It’s not your place to judge how “rape victims” as a class react to being raped. As blunt as it sounds, no one gives a fuck about your opinion of them. They’re not “part of the problem.” People raping them is the whole fucking problem.

I’m expressing no opinion about this particular incident.
 

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He didnt need a laptop? or Spending money or a private room?

"Yea he raped me, and so all I want is what he promised me, my Brothers tuition. For one year...".

I have a feeling this woman is the reason why (IMHO Real) victims have such a hard time.
Real rape victims have such a hard time because they got raped and because, if they report the rape, their subject to dissection of their own behavior in connection with the rape and made to feel as if they’re to blame.

YHO sucks.
 

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Counterpoint:
(A) HRB's was the most Freudian of typos, with a stray "not" in the worst possible spot. I mean, it even held up grammatically.
(B) Blacken's post was both pithy, funny, and subtle social commentary, in a mere 6 words (despite a typo of his own). We need humor in topics like these. I don't think he meant any real derision of HRB.
(B.a) Thank you. I appreciate that.

(B.b) I did mean it derisively. Or at least I meant it textually. This thread is full of dudes jerking off over the chance to judge the story of a woman--as it generally is around here--and HRB just happened to say the thing that is making this thread the fucked-up thing it is. I'm not sure he believes it. But he hasn't given me much reason to doubt it.

(B.c) Typo?
 

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(B.c) Typo?
Read the last two words of the post in question. The phrase I believe you were going for typically includes an "out" (see e.g. V&N thread on Rashida Tlaib).

Someone else might suggest you shouldn't stow thrones. Not me, of course. But someone. :)
 

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Counterpoint:
(A) HRB's was the most Freudian of typos, with a stray "not" in the worst possible spot. I mean, it even held up grammatically.
(B) Blacken's post was both pithy, funny, and subtle social commentary, in a mere 6 words (despite a typo of his own). We need humor in topics like these. I don't think he meant any real derision of HRB.
It does work as a comedic response, but I didn't take it that way (and Blacken seems to have confirmed that). And I won't argue that the phrasing left a literal interpretation sitting on a tee for Blacken to take a swing at. However...

(B.b) I did mean it derisively. Or at least I meant it textually. This thread is full of dudes jerking off over the chance to judge the story of a woman--as it generally is around here--and HRB just happened to say the thing that is making this thread the fucked-up thing it is. I'm not sure he believes it. But he hasn't given me much reason to doubt it.
Like I said, take umbrage with his sentence, or post, or the entire damn thread. If you said the "but" was the equivalent of the "but" in an "I'm not sexist, but..." statement, I'd have just hung up and listened. In this case though, it didn't take much to realize that the quoted part was attempting to say the opposite of what Blacken was calling him out for. Semantics? Maybe. But if there's that much meat on this particular bone, you shouldn't need to be gnawing where there isn't any.
 

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I realize it was attempting to say that. I think that the attempt was dishonest. I did not think I was being subtle.

So, now that we're here and HRB's honor has been duly protected, do we go back to chin-stroking statements that a guy with a broken ankle has the exact same physical responses as a guy with an ACL tear while the next guy over is trying really hard to her a gold-digging slut in ways that will not trip a mod's dirtbag alert, or...?

(Also, to echo Myt1, I don't have an opinion on this case; I have an opinion on creepy dudes who jump to wait-but-why a woman who says she's been raped.)
 

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I realize it was attempting to say that. I think that the attempt was dishonest. I did not think I was being subtle.

So, now that we're here and HRB's honor has been duly protected, do we go back to chin-stroking statements that a guy with a broken ankle has the exact same physical responses as a guy with an ACL tear while the next guy over is trying really hard to her a gold-digging slut in ways that will not trip a mod's dirtbag alert, or...?
 

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Dev, Nothing is fair or reasonable about being raped. But its the truth. As blunt as that sounds someone who does not report a rape for their own reasons, is allowing someone to get away with a crime. Not only to them but potentially others.
This is maybe the worst thing I’ve read on this site in 5 years.
 

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James Dolan, Mark Cuban and a sports agent have assured me there’s nothing to see here.
 

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I've avoided this thread. There's no upside really to comment here and I definitely don't want to offend anyone.

I have no comment on this particular case and all rapists deserve to be hung, drawn and quartered.

I will add that extortion happens, quite a bit. Just think twice about having a casual sexual relationship with a stranger or someone you don't know well.
 
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I've avoided this thread. There's no upside really to comment here and I definitely don't want to offend anyone.

I have no comment on this particular case and all rapists deserve to be hung, drawn and quartered.

I will add that extortion happens, quite a bit. Just think twice about having a casual sexual relationship with a stranger or someone you don't know well.
If you can’t produce credible evidence to substantiate the bolded part, you need to stop making statements like this.
 

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If you can’t produce credible evidence to substantiate the bolded part, you need to stop making statements like this.
Have you ever been falsely accused of something? It's jarring...like I said I have no comment on this particular case.

In the last month:
1. Micheal Avenatti tried to extort Nike
2. Jeff Bezos was extorted by American Media
3. Jussie Smollett was trying to extort more money out of his Producers
4. Charlotte Kirk tried to extort high paying Hollywood roles from Brett Rattner, James Packer and Kevin Tsujihara

This is what has happened in public.

Exactly why I had no interest in wading into this thread. I have nothing to add further here.
 
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Yes, I'm sure that's why they fired Kevin Tsujihara as soon as all the explicit quid-pro-quo texts came to light. Let's all feel bad for the guy who used his position of power to force an aspiring actress to effectively prostitute herself, and who then expected him to deliver his end of the bargain. If only she had had a pimp to enforce things!

We surely need not spend any emotional energy imagining things from her point of view, or any such person in the position of less power in these situations. It's like how testimony of an accomplice at trial is excluded if they've made any plea bargain in exchange for testifying, right? Anyone with a motivation to reach a result will immediately make up whatever facts suit them best, and swear to them under oath, therefore we must ignore all such people.
 

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Yes, I'm sure that's why they fired Kevin Tsujihara as soon as all the explicit quid-pro-quo texts came to light. Let's all feel bad for the guy who used his position of power to force an aspiring actress to effectively prostitute herself, and who then expected him to deliver his end of the bargain. If only she had had a pimp to enforce things!

We surely need not spend any emotional energy imagining things from her point of view, or any such person in the position of less power in these situations. It's like how testimony of an accomplice at trial is excluded if they've made any plea bargain in exchange for testifying, right? Anyone with a motivation to reach a result will immediately make up whatever facts suit them best, and swear to them under oath, therefore we must ignore all such people.
This was my exact stance:

I will add that extortion happens, quite a bit. Just think twice about having a casual sexual relationship with a stranger or someone you don't know well.

Kevin should have thought twice about entering into a casual, mutually approved, sexual relationship with a stranger.

Maufman asked me to prove "that extortion happens, quite a bit"...that's what I did. I have no moral authority or inside knowledge over any of the situations I sited.
 
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Have you ever been falsely accused of something? It's jarring...like I said I have no comment on this particular case.

In the last month:
1. Micheal Avenatti tried to extort Nike
2. Jeff Bezos was extorted by American Media
3. Jussie Smollett was trying to extort more money out of his Producers
4. Charlotte Kirk tried to extort high paying Hollywood roles from Brett Rattner, James Packer and Kevin Tsujihara

This is what has happened in public.

Exactly why I had no interest in wading into this thread. I have nothing to add further here.
Will we find musings on extortion in the threads dedicated to those incidents or just in the one about rape?
 

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In serious topics like this I always think it's better to stick to news only. We really don't know shit.
 

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This was my exact stance:

I will add that extortion happens, quite a bit. Just think twice about having a casual sexual relationship with a stranger or someone you don't know well.

Kevin should have thought twice about entering into a casual, mutually approved, sexual relationship with a stranger.

Maufman asked me to prove "that extortion happens, quite a bit"...that's what I did. I have no moral authority or inside knowledge over any of the situations I sited.
You came into a thread about rape, acted like you didnt want to discuss anything, then ended by making sure to tell everyone that sometimes extortion happens. That was your point. That’s what you felt you needed to add to the conversation. And by concluding the paragraph by talking about sex with strangers, you made it clear that you’re not talking about Nike or other examples.

At least own your prerogative.
 

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Man, this thread is a dumpster fire. Here is the best article I've found on it. https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/4/1/18290932/kristaps-porzingis-rape-allegation
Simply, what the allegations are, and what the facts are as we know them at this point.
This is a great article. I recommend that everyone who is interested in this story, as it lays out in an organized way what we know about this case — which, frankly, is not that much.

And for that reason, I’m locking this thread for now — there simply isn’t enough material to sustain a discussion, and this isn’t the right place to discuss non-basketball topics such as societal attitudes toward sexual assault. We’ll reopen this thread if and when the facts warrant it.
 
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