POLL: What do with the Celtics' Cap-Space?

What should the Celtics do with their cap space?

  • Nothing for now, see what options are available during the season

    Votes: 13 8.7%
  • Spend all (or nearly all) of it on one elite player

    Votes: 76 50.7%
  • Try and sign 2 players to fill team needs (e.g. C and PG)

    Votes: 38 25.3%
  • Take on a bad contract in exchange for players/draft picks

    Votes: 23 15.3%

  • Total voters
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NomarsFool

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I feel like one of the most important keys to success in the NBA is making sure NOT to have really bad contracts. So, I get a little bit nervous about the prospect of signing a max free agent that isn't an undisputed top 10-15 players in the NBA type of player.
 

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I went with the acquire elite player, as I assume elite means top 20-25 player who still could reach top 10-15 status. But I don't think they should just give out the max to any player that wants it, as I agree there's no point being stuck with a really bad contract 3 years from now, which is when they may want to dip into the FA pool with a hopefully improved Tatum and Brown making up the core of the Next Great Team. I want no part of Chris Paul, for example.

Failing that, I like either using the space to round out the team, or getting assets to take on a contract, assuming they can get the contract off the books in 2 years.
 

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I voted "elite" and my thinking there is D'Angelo Russell. If that can't happen, I'd say break it up and see if we can sign guys like Middleton or WCS or trade for Capela.
 

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Doesn't the answer depend entirely on the details? Is the max player Leonard or Paul? What and how many picks? etc. etc.
 

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I voted "elite" and my thinking there is D'Angelo Russell. If that can't happen, I'd say break it up and see if we can sign guys like Middleton or WCS or trade for Capela.
That's where I'm at. If BK gets Kyrie and Durant then he's a UFA with a timeline that works nicely with Jaylen/Jayson. It's a fun, young team with lots of room for growth.
 

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It's really hard to say until next week. I would be OK with D'Angelo Russell but I would also be OK with Marc Gasol (if he opts out) + Patrick Beverley (if he's not a lock to sign with the Lakers or resign with the Clippers).

I'm optimistic about next year. I don't see the team taking a step backwards at all.
 

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What's the word on Russell as a defender?
I found this: https://hoopshabit.com/2019/01/21/brooklyn-nets-dangelo-russell-finally-making-leap/

Perhaps more impressive is the fact that Russell ranks second on the team in deflections, has recovered the second-most loose balls per game, and ranks first in contested 3-pointers.

With Russell on the floor, the Nets’ defensive rating is 107.5, which would be a top-10 mark in the league (overall the Nets’ defense ranks 21st). Additionally, Russell owns a career-high defensive box plus-minus, and his defensive real plus-minus is over two points higher than last season.
 

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Another thing about DLo is that he's surprisingly big — a legit 6'-5" with a 6'-10" wingspan — so brings a bit more versatility on both ends of the floor than Kyrie, and (obviously) a ton more than IT. If I were you guys I'd be totally stoked to add him to a young core of Jaylen and Jayson.
 

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Is this just SoSH wish casting, or are there legit rumors that the Russell could be in play for the Celtics?
 

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Russell grades poorly defensively on a variety of metrics (PIPM, RAPM, RPM). He also doesn't grade especially well offensively on most of these metrics (RPM excepted).

He's a stay away for me. I'd prefer to go the Vucevic route.
 

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I think D-Lo to Boston was a natural development, when KI was rumored headed to Brooklyn, and the concern whether two-ball dominant guards playing well together in Boerum Hill seemed an issue around the KI move.
 

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Russell grades poorly defensively on a variety of metrics (PIPM, RAPM, RPM). He also doesn't grade especially well offensively on most of these metrics (RPM excepted).

He's a stay away for me. I'd prefer to go the Vucevic route.
The reason I think the C's will go after Russell is precisely this - the guy has a lot of red flags that may prevent other teams from gambling on him. The Celtics, all else equal at present, have the luxury of seeing if Russell can show more consistency on the offensive end and, perhaps, improvement defensively. He probably has one of the highest variance of outcomes of any player they can sign as a FA - which means there may be value to be had as well as downside.

I like Vucevic (he would give all the Celtic fan traditionalists who get really lathered up about low post play something to be excited about though the team will have to adjust their style of play to accommodate him) but if we should be concerned about anything, it should be his ability to sustain last season's 3p% as well as his improved defense. I think his FT% suggests he is a decent shooter from beyond the paint but the longer data set doesn't support it. And HRB is always quick to sound the alarm around players who show significant improvement in their contract years. Its especially warranted in this case.
 

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Doesn't the contract year improvement thing apply to Russell as well? And well, every free agent really.

I'm not sure I buy Russell as an upside play, but reasonable minds can differ there I suppose.
 

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Doesn't the contract year improvement thing apply to Russell as well? And well, every free agent really.
It might though Russell is just 23 whereas Vucevic is going to be 29 right at the start of the season. I would wager that the former's improvement is more representative of what you'll get going forward than the latter's breakout season at age 28.

Edit: I would also add that Russell's first two years in the league were essentially a tire fire given the state of the Lakers organization as well as his role and coaching. Its not shocking to me that he had his best seasons as he matured into his third and fourth years while being in a much more stable situation with the Nets and Atkinson. On the other hand, I like Clifford too so Vucevic's improvement may be a function of playing in a better system too...
 
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It might though Russell is just 23 whereas Vucevic is going to be 29 right at the start of the season. I would wager that the former's improvement is more representative of what you'll get going forward than the latter's breakout season at age 28.

Edit: I would also add that Russell's first two years in the league were essentially a tire fire given the state of the Lakers organization as well as his role and coaching. Its not shocking to me that he had his best seasons as he matured into his third and fourth years while being in a much more stable situation with the Nets and Atkinson. On the other hand, I like Clifford too so Vucevic's improvement may be a function of playing in a better system too...
This might be worth taking to a separate thread at this point, but I don't doubt that Russell's improvement is related to being in the league longer, and presumably improving his skillset. For me the issue is that even what he did last year just wasn't super valuable it seems, and I don't have much faith in his upside beyond that. With Vucevic, I agree there's variance to the shooting, although as you note, it's supported by his excellent free throw shooting as well. Further, a lot of bigs lately have added range late in their careers, so I'm a bit more inclined to believe it with him than I would be with a guard who should always have been shooting threes.
 

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I vote Russell. His timeline is in synch with Tatum/Brown/Smart/Rozier3/Williams3 and the rooks. He has that rare ability to be the best player on the floor (at times) no matter who you are playing. As mentioned he has + size for a point. Add in unlimited range and potential to be an above average passer and to me, it is an easy decision. I offer him his maximum salary structured to his desires and give him the chance to run point for the Boston Celtics.
 

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Ideally I'd like to see Durant sign with the Celtics and pair up with someone acquired for Hayward's expiring contract in 2020-21, but I know that's a pipe dream. So I'd like to see the Celtics add Vucevic and Seth Curry. Which might also be a pipe dream... I don't even know anymore.
 

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Brian Robb at BSJ has an article that makes an interesting point: because the Celtics will start the offseason under the cap, they can use the room-level exception (up to $4.76 million/yr for a 1 or 2 year deal). This is the exception they used on Baynes 2 years ago.

So, depending on who they renounce, etc, they can free up up to $34 million (or less if they sign one of their FAs), spend that, and then use the room exception. There are a lot of bigs looking for work this offseason - the room exception won't get them a top name, of course, but it ought to be good for a rotation big, as it was with Baynes.
 

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if it helps if this was 2k i wouild sign my myplaer to boston but he cant shoot 3's but wouild put up 25-15-5 and win 65-75 games
 

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j-man's guy just moved past DLo for me. :)

I'd be thrilled if we could get DLo and WCS. Bringing in some volume scoring and some needed D at the rim.
 

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j-man's guy just moved past DLo for me. :)

I'd be thrilled if we could get DLo and WCS. Bringing in some volume scoring and some needed D at the rim.
WCS had a very low number of blocked shots...I know rim defense is more than just that, but seems really low for a rim protector. He averaged .1 blocks/game more than Kyrie and fewer than Tatum.
 

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WCS had a very low number of blocked shots...I know rim defense is more than just that, but seems really low for a rim protector. He averaged .1 blocks/game more than Kyrie and fewer than Tatum.
Yeah upon further reading it looks like I'm still hanging my hat on what folks were thinking/hoping when he came out of Kentucky. One Sacramento Kings website called him "an abject disaster defensively" which seems shocking to me but I have to trust their frame of reference (watching him play) over mine (misty colored memories of the way he was...)

Here's the story I looked at . https://aroyalpain.com/2019/03/19/sacramento-kings-willie-cauley-stein-free-agency/
 

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Cauley-Stein seems like an okay starter / good backup big but not exactly what I'd hope the Celtics are going for right now.
 

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WCS is one of those 7 footers who does nothing well except dunk. Didn't shoot a single trey, 55% free throw shooter, doesn't rebound well for a 7 footer, doesn't block many shots... His agent is right: he needs a fresh start. In China.
 

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WCS is one of those 7 footers who does nothing well except dunk. Didn't shoot a single trey, 55% free throw shooter, doesn't rebound well for a 7 footer, doesn't block many shots... His agent is right: he needs a fresh start. In China.
He's a good defender, and a good rebounder (around 25th in the league last year)low turnover rate for his usage. He's a good player, he'll be in the regular rotation for somebody next year. He's the poor man's Capela, similar, arguably better defender, not as efficient on offense, but a similar skill set.
 

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I don’t follow the Russell love here. He’s a very good passer who is still improving, but his scoring and defense leave a lot to be desired. He has definitely continued to improve as a pure PG, increasing his assist rate while cutting his turnovers between last and this. He seems firmly established as a starting caliber player based on that skill at this point.

But his scoring is horribly overrated. He’s never been efficient. Last year he basically made a leap to average efficiency, but exclusively on the basis of improved 3 point shooting. He actually got to the line at a significantly reduced rate. Moreover, nothing about his overall line indicates that the improved shooting was anything more than random variation. A season shooting .020 above your career average makes a big difference statistically but is unlikely to signal real improvement in the absence of other indicia of improved shooting.

To be worth a max he needs to take several more positive steps as a scorer. I have a hard time seeing where those steps come from.

I’m nervous about the idea of committing to Vucevic too, but he at least has a season under his belt where he played at a max level. It’s also a lot easier to see that season as real improvement. He has clearly seen a shift in the way he’s being used and is generating more assists and has added a 3 point shot. His added shooting from range is also complimented by a significant improvement in FT%, also indicating he’s been spending significant energy on his shooting. I don’t love the idea of buying a career year from a 28 year old, but I see a lot more upside in Vucevic than I do in Russell.
 

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Brown for Sabonis or Hayward for Turner

Use the rest of the Cap room on (1) Brogdon or (2) Russell or (3) Kemba
Brown for Sabonis would take “selling low” to exciting new places.

Hayward for Turner would be great, but Indy never does that.
 

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Brown for Sabonis would take “selling low” to exciting new places.

Hayward for Turner would be great, but Indy never does that.
Once he filled out from his rookie season, Sabonis has been pretty damn good.
He's a young/efficient center on the rise. He can distribute from the high post and could develop a 3pt shot. He's a future All-Star in the right situation (like starting/30mpg) IMHO. He's not as good at this stage but he exhibits a lot of the same characteristics as Horford (that we'll desperately miss).

I like Jaylen a lot and agree last year's dysfunction screwed him up the first 8 weeks. BUT Brown need's major work on his handle, FT shooting and passing before we even consider All-Star. Also Brown may have trouble reaching his full potential being in the shadow of Tatum and sharing time with Hayward. Celtics have a bit of a logjam at the 2/3.

Turner/Sabonis are vying for 1 position and Indy is desperate for wings. Both are excellent. According to their beat writer, they are potentially looking to deal one of their young centers (before they drafted Goga, if that has any impact?).
We may be selling low but we'd be buying low also. This could be a win/win for both teams.

Instead of signing Nikola Vucevich for a massive 4 yr deal, Danny should consider trading for a younger, future Nikola in Sabonis or Turner to run along Tatum's timeline.



note: I'd rather deal Hayward than Brown, so if it takes stapling Romeo Langford, Carsen Edwards and a signed Quinn Buckner jersey to Gordon I'd do it. :redwine:
Pacers mgmt could double ticket prices and still sell out for a decade
 
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Once he filled out from his rookie season, Sabonis has been pretty damn good (attached his stats below)
He's a young/efficient center on the rise. He can distribute from the high post and could develop a 3pt shot. He's a future All-Star in the right situation (like starting/30mpg) IMHO. He's not as good at this stage but he exhibits a lot of the same characteristics as Horford (that we'll desperately miss).

I like Jaylen a lot and agree last year's dysfunction screwed him up the first 8 weeks. BUT Brown need's major work on his handle, FT shooting and passing before we even consider All-Star. Also Brown may have trouble reaching his full potential being in the shadow of Tatum and sharing time with Hayward. Celtics have a bit of a logjam at the 2/3.

Turner/Sabonis are vying for 1 position and Indy is desperate for wings. According to their beat writer, they are potentially looking to deal one of their young centers (before they drafted Goga, if that has any impact?).
We may be selling low but we'd be buying low also. This could be a win/win for both teams.

Instead of signing Nikola Vucevich for a massive 4 yr deal, Danny should consider trading for a younger, future Nikola in Sabonis or Turner to run along Tatum's timeline.

If Indy has a logjam (they do) and you think Sabonis can be good (he probably can), you trade some kind of future 1st package for him, not Brown. You really can never have too many wings in the NBA, and the toxicity last year hid the real progress Brown has made. The board as a whole seems to have unrealistic expectations of young players: even very good players usually aren’t completely killing it in their age 22 seasons.
 

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If Indy has a logjam (they do) and you think Sabonis can be good (he probably can), you trade some kind of future 1st package for him, not Brown. You really can never have too many wings in the NBA, and the toxicity last year hid the real progress Brown has made. The board as a whole seems to have unrealistic expectations of young players: even very good players usually aren’t completely killing it in their age 22 seasons.
I didn't have time to watch a ton of regular season games, but what progress did Brown make last year? His stats are almost identical it seems. He hasn't really developed as a passer, shooter, finisher, etc... The turnovers have gotten a bit better, and that's about it? I get he started cold, and finished hot, but at the end of the day, his age 22 season looks an awful lot like his other seasons.

I'm not sure Sabonis is who I'd be targeting, but I'd be very open to trading Brown in the abstract. He seems like a guy who is less than the sum of his physical gifts (the prototypical player without much "feel for the game", except smart and coachable enough not to be a total trainwreck like Wiggins).
 

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Indy isn't trading Sabonis or Turner. They'll play Sabonis at the 4 just like they have said they will. There is no reason to think they have less minutes for the two when they probably have to let Young go. The two of them played together a good amount last year, and while the offense wasn't great, it was the best defensive unit of their highly played pairings, and the net ratings were positive.
 

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Indy isn't trading Sabonis or Turner. They'll play Sabonis at the 4 just like they have said they will. There is no reason to think they have less minutes for the two when they probably have to let Young go. The two of them played together a good amount last year, and while the offense wasn't great, it was the best defensive unit of their highly played pairings, and the net ratings were positive.
Good point. Maybe we can trade Langford for Goga. :)
 

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If Indy has a logjam (they do) and you think Sabonis can be good (he probably can), you trade some kind of future 1st package for him, not Brown. You really can never have too many wings in the NBA, and the toxicity last year hid the real progress Brown has made. The board as a whole seems to have unrealistic expectations of young players: even very good players usually aren’t completely killing it in their age 22 seasons.
If all it took was picks to get Sabonis, I'd do it in a heartbeat. He just finished 2nd in the 6th Man Award to Lou Will last night. Sabonis is already good, he's trending to great as a starter/30mpg player. Turner is one of the best defensive players in the game that can hit 3s at a high %. Either player would be a fabulous piece to partner with Tatum's timeline.

Wings is an overused term and mean different things to different people BUT I believe the Celtics had too many wings last year. That oversupply partially stunted Brown's confidence and growth last season

IMO if Brown was "the man/30mpg starter" he would thrive (ie 2018 end of the season/Playoff Jaylen). To the eye test its a confidence/respect thing with Jaylen. So the Celtics should move one of Hayward or Brown for young, frontcourt help with Horford/MaMo/Baynes/Theis leaving.

Indy isn't trading Sabonis or Turner. They'll play Sabonis at the 4 just like they have said they will. There is no reason to think they have less minutes for the two when they probably have to let Young go. The two of them played together a good amount last year, and while the offense wasn't great, it was the best defensive unit of their highly played pairings, and the net ratings were positive.
This is coming from their beat writers, I'll take their opinion over anyone around here.
Sabonis and Turner are much better 5's than 4's. Nate didn't really play them together that much (6-7mpg - 64 games), even though both are good.
 
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This is coming from their beat writers, I'll take their opinion over anyone around here.
Sabonis and Turner are much better 5's than 4's. Nate didn't really play them together that much (6-7mpg - 64 games), even though both are good.
Which beat writers did you see this from? I'm not seeing anything beyond a few people thinking Goga is a weird pick. I don't see anything in terms of actual reporting that Indy is looking for a deal.
 

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I don’t follow the Russell love here. He’s a very good passer who is still improving, but his scoring and defense leave a lot to be desired. He has definitely continued to improve as a pure PG, increasing his assist rate while cutting his turnovers between last and this. He seems firmly established as a starting caliber player based on that skill at this point.

But his scoring is horribly overrated. He’s never been efficient. Last year he basically made a leap to average efficiency, but exclusively on the basis of improved 3 point shooting.
Here's an article with some info regarding Russell's improvement. FWIW, when talking about where he might go if Nets sign Kyrie, the article does not mention Boston.

Russell's personal improvement came entirely in honing skills he was already good at while steering even further away from weaknesses
He redirected more offense into the midrange and floater zones. Russell is good at those shots. He hit 46 percent from both areas -- elite numbers!
There's also some talk in the article about what he doesn't do.

 

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Which beat writers did you see this from? I'm not seeing anything beyond a few people thinking Goga is a weird pick. I don't see anything in terms of actual reporting that Indy is looking for a deal.
I posted above. This was before they drafted Goga.

 

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I posted above. This was before they drafted Goga.

Oh I missed it, that's an opinion piece by Gregg Doyell who isn't someone I'd consider particularly insightful. I thought you meant there were rumors that they had been shopping one or the other.
 

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Oh I missed it, that's an opinion piece by Gregg Doyell who isn't someone I'd consider particularly insightful. I thought you meant there were rumors that they had been shopping one or the other.
The premise that Indy should shore up a position of weakness by trading from a position of strength is not entirely unsound. However, you are correct that Doyel is a confirmed assclown.
 

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Oh I missed it, that's an opinion piece by Gregg Doyell who isn't someone I'd consider particularly insightful. I thought you meant there were rumors that they had been shopping one or the other.
yea, it seems like it was a theme from Doyal all season, attached an article from him in November.

The rumor mill is being driven by agents at the moment focused on the big named free agents.


there are others questioning Indy keeping both


this goes more in depth, and discusses how they did (not well) in the playoffs vs the Celtics

 
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Here's an article with some info regarding Russell's improvement. FWIW, when talking about where he might go if Nets sign Kyrie, the article does not mention Boston.





There's also some talk in the article about what he doesn't do.

Funny, I just came to post that article to highlight some of Russell’s negatives. Lowe calls out how he struggles with getting to the rim and that lets defenses cheat off him:
But there is a meaningful gap in explosiveness and athleticism between Russell and Irving. Russell just does not get to the basket, and his trepidation deprives the Nets of some profitable scoring chances -- even when avenues toward those chances are staring them in the face.
Russell's careful, crisscrossing guile can work against him when it amounts to overthinking. Patience in the face of opportunity gives a smart defense the chance to close windows.

In his first playoff appearance, against the Philadelphia 76ers, Russell faced a smart, huge, dialed-in defense that game-planned for him -- and assigned Ben Simmons to smother him. Russell shot 36 percent and averaged just 3.5 assists per game. That five-game loss is a teensy sample. But it is a data point. It was Russell's first taste of life as a No. 1 option in the playoffs.

If defenses don't fear your penetration, they can stick closer to shooters; those same crosscourt lasers can't catch help defenders leaning the wrong way if they never lean at all:
Irving produced 1.08 points per possession any time he shot after a drive or kicked to a teammate who fired right away -- 30th among 265 players who recorded at least 100 drives, per Second Spectrum research. (That ranking undersells Irving's impact, since the sample includes catch-and-go drives from secondary ball handlers; Jeff Green and Brook Lopez posted the highest marks in the league.)

Russell averaged 0.97 points on such plays -- 124th. He blew by defenders on just 12 percent of drives -- 232nd among that 265-player sample. He can't exploit switches with the same cruel efficiency as most top-line point guards. Irving recorded blow-bys on almost 25 percent of his drives -- a huge rate for a ball-dominant player.
 

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I don’t follow the Russell love here. He’s a very good passer who is still improving, but his scoring and defense leave a lot to be desired. He has definitely continued to improve as a pure PG, increasing his assist rate while cutting his turnovers between last and this. He seems firmly established as a starting caliber player based on that skill at this point.
I don't think it's love so much as realism, if the Nets are shooting for Durant/Irving/DAJ then they can't match an opening bell offer to Russell. I think everyone agrees that Brogdon is better in the abstract, but the Bucks are 100% certain to match, meaning a sign & trade would be their only shot at landing him. Russell? If they match they can't just trade him wherever for value, it wrecks their summer plans. And as a first max it's always tradeable down the line when they get an upgrade.
 

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Brown for Sabonis would take “selling low” to exciting new places.

Hayward for Turner would be great, but Indy never does that.
I'm curious: Which team do you think would be selling low in this? You seem to be implying that it's Brown, but Sabonis is probably the better player already and has a much higher ceiling. If anything he's being undervalued because of Indy's logjam of bigs.

FWIW I don't think either team would do that deal, but it's moderately interesting given Boston's glut of wings and Indy with bigs. It's just so rare to see a 1 for 1 with guys on their rookie deals.
 

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I'm curious: Which team do you think would be selling low in this? You seem to be implying that it's Brown, but Sabonis is probably the better player already and has a much higher ceiling. If anything he's being undervalued because of Indy's logjam of bigs.

FWIW I don't think either team would do that deal, but it's moderately interesting given Boston's glut of wings and Indy with bigs. It's just so rare to see a 1 for 1 with guys on their rookie deals.
Less than .1% chance of happening. Brown for Sabonis was a starting point, you could nuance it with picks.

Boston/Indy are two teams that probably won't attract a FA, have cap space and match up well with gluts for their position of need. While they compete in the EC they probably don't view each other as the team they have to topple in the East (Mil, Phila, Tor) so they may be comfortable helping each other.

My Aron Baynes blind spot has been well documented:), lovegtm would probably admit to having a similar soft spot for Jaylen Brown. I assumed he meant Brown was "selling low to exciting new places". I'd hate to lose Jaylen because I see him improving with a bigger and more defined role. But you have to GIVE to GET.
If we could use our Indiana guys (Hayward/Langford/Edwards) to extract some sort home state premium, sign me up, but Pritchard is no dummy, he'll want cheap talent
 

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I'm curious: Which team do you think would be selling low in this? You seem to be implying that it's Brown, but Sabonis is probably the better player already and has a much higher ceiling. If anything he's being undervalued because of Indy's logjam of bigs.

FWIW I don't think either team would do that deal, but it's moderately interesting given Boston's glut of wings and Indy with bigs. It's just so rare to see a 1 for 1 with guys on their rookie deals.
Na, I just meant that it’s really really hard, in today’s NBA, for a C who’s not elite defensively to have the upside of an uber athletic wing who can defend 1-4 or 2-4.

Sabonis could well turn out better than Brown. I just have a soft spot for Brown because of how rapid his year 1 to 2 improvement was, and I’d like to see how he does in a non fucked up situation with more opportunity. It’s not at all a sure thing he does better, but last year was so weird wrt team intangibles that I think it would be selling low to move him right now.
 

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Jaylen is tantalizing at times, but the thing he lacks is hard to fix. He is not an intuitive basketball player with a good feel for the game. Even though he's super athletic, he moves like a robot and has limited vision with the ball. After three years, I don't feel confident that his ceiling is really that high.

Last year does give me some pause in evaluating anyone on the Celtics, though. It was a toxic environment.
 

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Last year does give me some pause in evaluating anyone on the Celtics, though. It was a toxic environment.
It's going to be interesting this year, no matter who the PG ends up being (max guy or less-expensive vet) that the Celtics will win 4 in a row or 6 of 7 and there will undoubtedly be a story about how the team is "coming together" and the "vibe is so much different" and "everyone really supports each other".

Give me that and Jayson or Jaylen dunking over Kyrie and I'm happy.