Poll: Rate Your Faith in the Red Sox Front Office

Rate Your Faith in the Red Sox Front Office


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Pozo the Clown

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All (intended) humor aside regarding Choice #1, could the following quote from Dave Dombrowski (link below) be in reference Henry/Werner?

“I really philosophically believe that you win with star players,” said Dombrowski...“Now, you can’t win with star players alone, but you can build around star players. I’ve really always had that belief. As I’ve observed, it’s been successful for the clubs that win.
“I had somebody tell me … 'Philosophically from an ownership perspective, we disagree with you. We don’t believe in star players. We believe in [well-rounded players].' I said, 'Well, that’s your belief, but usually I have found, wherever I’ve been … it’s been good star players that have won.'”

Phillies, Trea Turner agree to 11-year deal (mlb.com)
 

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All (intended) humor aside regarding Choice #1, could the following quote from Dave Dombrowski (link below) be in reference Henry/Werner?

“I really philosophically believe that you win with star players,” said Dombrowski...“Now, you can’t win with star players alone, but you can build around star players. I’ve really always had that belief. As I’ve observed, it’s been successful for the clubs that win.
“I had somebody tell me … 'Philosophically from an ownership perspective, we disagree with you. We don’t believe in star players. We believe in [well-rounded players].' I said, 'Well, that’s your belief, but usually I have found, wherever I’ve been … it’s been good star players that have won.'”

Phillies, Trea Turner agree to 11-year deal (mlb.com)
Not sure if it was one of Henry or Werner - but if it was, they would do well to note that all four of our championship teams had star players…

2004: Pedro, Schilling, Manny, Ortiz, Damon, Foulke
2007: Beckett, Schilling, Lowell, Ortiz, Manny, Pedroia, Papelbon
2013: Lester, Ortiz, Pedroia, Koji
2018: Betts, JDM, Bogaerts, Devers, Sale, Price, Kimbrel

Some were big free signings, some were home grown talent, some were brought in by trade. A couple might arguably not be stars, but all of them were essential in winning championships. You can’t discount the value of having guys like that on your team.
 

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As for the poll, I voted “0%, there is no plan”.

While I don’t think that’s entirely true, I get the feeling that Chaim doesn’t want to get/retain a major free agent unless he can get s steal (like Bogaerts for 4/$90!) - and I also get the feeling he wants to build a team around catching lightning in a bottle by making a bunch of off the radar, “genius” moves.

Chaim’s wet dream is probably a pitching staff made up of league minimum salary Garret Whitlock’s he got for nothing in the Rule V draft, and a lineup full of Daniel Nava’s he purchased from independent leagues for $1 putting up a league average offense. $20M payroll, 90 wins, such genius.

The problem is, you’re not going to find 10+ Whitlocks, and you’re not going to find a lineup of Nava’s giving you respectable offense for no money.
 

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If there was a 30% option, I would have voted there. Instead, I went with 40% because 20% just seemed too pessimistic.
 

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As for the poll, I voted “0%, there is no plan”.

While I don’t think that’s entirely true, I get the feeling that Chaim doesn’t want to get/retain a major free agent unless he can get s steal (like Bogaerts for 4/$90!) - and I also get the feeling he wants to build a team around catching lightning in a bottle by making a bunch of off the radar, “genius” moves.

Chaim’s wet dream is probably a pitching staff made up of league minimum salary Garret Whitlock’s he got for nothing in the Rule V draft, and a lineup full of Daniel Nava’s he purchased from independent leagues for $1 putting up a league average offense. $20M payroll, 90 wins, such genius.

The problem is, you’re not going to find 10+ Whitlocks, and you’re not going to find a lineup of Nava’s giving you respectable offense for no money.

umm thats not far fetched (league minimum players not the . $20M payroll,) if we (or when we) have an actual farm system... which was pretty barren when Bloom took over



I mean thats what TB/LAD/ and HOU have done, Correra leaves for FA, and a rookie takes over, and you know how that ended
 

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If there was a 30% option, I would have voted there. Instead, I went with 40% because 20% just seemed too pessimistic.
Maybe the 30% option was "It's just a matter of time 'til were almost as good as the Blue Jays"
 

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I mean thats what TB/LAD/ and HOU have done, Correra leaves for FA, and a rookie takes over, and you know how that ended
I've said this elsewhere but... it's one thing to let high-cost stars walk in FA when you have a younger guy you believe in ready to take their place. It's another to let them walk and be looking 2-4 years down the road for a young guy to take their place. We didn't have the next Betts biding his time in Pawtucket when we traded him, and we don't have the next Xander in Worcester.

The bridge to rebuild the farm was there when we had a strong young core in the majors post-2018. But the FO decided to jettison those guys without the requisite replacements.
 

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I voted 40% there must be a plan. But I am starting to seriously wonder if the plan involves selling the team.

Edit: I am interpreting faith as faith that this front office can bring the team to credible championship contenders by 2025.or maybe 2024.
 

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I went 40%. I refuse to believe there is no plan. Whether it is a good plan, now, that is another question.
 

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I would just like to state for the record that I had zero problem with the Red Sox trading Mookie Betts and zero problem with the Red Sox not re-signing Xander Bogaerts.
 

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I did 60% because I just don’t think the ownership will tolerate being a non competing team for more than a few years. Eventually they’ll give the GM a kick in the ass to pay some people.
 

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20%. If there is a plan, it’s poorly thought out and how it’s being implemented is even worse.

This job is too big for Bloom. Being so stunned about Bogaerts that you get tears welling in your eyes is awful. Not because I think he’s a wimp, but because he misread the market so bad he was literally flabbergasted.

That’s a problem.
 

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"Bad faith" in the same manner as repeated assurances that "retaining Xander is our #1 priority" constitutes "bad faith?"
And there was the whole, "We traded Mookie to get the flexibility to retain our homegrown stars in the future." That's pretty damn bad faith.
 

BigJay

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I voted 80%, a lot of this hate is unjustified.
-Betts is already showing signs of breaking down. 2 of his 3 worst SLG % years are the last. Missed 60 games the last 2 years too. You may very well be a solid player for a few more years, but walking away from that deal is slowly starting to look good.
-Given his decline in SLG, and inconsistent fielding giving Xander more than 4 years was/is foolish. Contracts are for future performance, not the past or sentimentality. Sometimes you have to know when to walk away even if it's cold hearted. Reverse tge situation, if Xander came from SD would you be happy with this signing/commitment? I know I'd be lukewarm at best.
-they're got a strong farm system and are always in the top 10 and usually top 5 for payroll.
-4 championships in the last 20 years, most in the game. Trust the process
 

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Do people really think that the ownership group that has delivered four World Series championships in the last 20 years has no plan at all?
 

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I'm with the guy who found solid ground in the swampy mess between 20% (the plan isn't working) and 40% (give it more time not to work). I'm pretty sure two last place AL East finishes in the past 3 years is not the consistency Theo had in mind in 2003.

The benefit of the doubt says give Chaim the time to let his Astros 2014 style rebuild/tankcentric model gain traction.

Or we may cheat our way back to greatness with young, good and cheap cheaters.
 

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To preface, I haven't followed the Sox as much as I used to and part of that has been because of the apparent lack of vision for the team since the Betts trade. I went with 20%, but I was tempted to go with 0%. I don't have an issue with the team trading Betts or to a certain extent not winning the bidding for X. My issues stem from the awful return for Mookie and Benintendi in trades (while seemingly completely misreading Benintendi's value) and allowing X to hit free agency rather than trade him during a season that appeared lost at the trade deadline. Chaim (or whoever is making the final decisions) seems to be fairly poor at judging talent or understanding the market. If the reports are true, the Sox never made a serious offer to X, so I guess the plan was to shuffle their feet in negotiations rather than trading him until Chaim pretends to act shocked in front of a reporter at the news of X signing with SD and the Sox can say they really wanted X to stay. It all seems like the team is either being run in an incompetent manner or the team is being competently run to get rid of financial constraints while building a decent farm system to maximize the price for a potential sale. I'm kind of leaning towards the latter because I don't think there's much reason to believe Chaim can build a winning team and yet the team has stuck with him.
 

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I think they have a great plan for a mid market team
Now I think this is an interesting idea. Not agreeing or disagreeing, but if so why do we think this ownership group has recently decided to act like a mid-market team? Plans to sell maybe?
 

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I’m kind of surprised at how much the tone here has shifted, apparently all because the team didn’t sign Boagerts? Was that surprising? I dunno, but it seems like there were some folks wondering what the teams plan was, who was part of the core, what they were building towards for a while now, but they were…Eeyores, right? Isn’t that the term? And now? Where have all the Chaim stans gone?

There were a ton of folks all in on what the Sox were doing, I gotta assume there’s at least some who still believe? Talk to us!
 

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Now I think this is an interesting idea. Not agreeing or disagreeing, but if so why do we think this ownership group has recently decided to act like a mid-market team? Plans to sell maybe?
Not picking on you specifically McSweeny, but I've heard the sell question from multiple places....which is interesting to me.

I'm old enough to remember when they were going after Manny and that was a sign the team was for sale. Completely different owners who would be selling here and a completely different sports landscape, it's just curious to me.
 

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Now I think this is an interesting idea. Not agreeing or disagreeing, but if so why do we think this ownership group has recently decided to act like a mid-market team? Plans to sell maybe?
That’s exactly what I think that they’re gearing up for. They’re already selling Liverpool (which player costs are spiraling in the big UEFA countries), and I think that they’re going to do the same thing in baseball (a league with no salary cap), in favor of buying into leagues with greater cost controls and income potential. Would it shock anyone if they sold the Red Sox and bought an NFL and/or an NBA team?
 

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I’m kind of surprised at how much the tone here has shifted, apparently all because the team didn’t sign Boagerts? Was that surprising? I dunno, but it seems like there were some folks wondering what the teams plan was, who was part of the core, what they were building towards for a while now, but they were…Eeyores, right? Isn’t that the term? And now? Where have all the Chaim stans gone?

There were a ton of folks all in on what the Sox were doing, I gotta assume there’s at least some who still believe? Talk to us!
I am a Chaim bro to the core; ask me anything. Check my post history for recent thoughts.
 

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I'm with the guy who found solid ground in the swampy mess between 20% (the plan isn't working) and 40% (give it more time not to work). I'm pretty sure two last place AL East finishes in the past 3 years is not the consistency Theo had in mind in 2003.

The benefit of the doubt says give Chaim the time to let his Astros 2014 style rebuild/tankcentric model gain traction.

Or we may cheat our way back to greatness with young, good and cheap cheaters.
I also wanted to vote 30%…

Is Chaim’s model “rebuild/tankcentric”? If that was true, I honestly think people would have more faith. The model seems to be to just ride the middle and accomplish nothing. Nibble some extra value from mediocre contracts, don’t pay up for elite talent but stay just good enough that people will still pay the insane ticket prices
 

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That’s exactly what I think that they’re gearing up for. They’re already selling Liverpool (which player costs are spiraling in the big UEFA countries), and I think that they’re going to do the same thing in baseball (a league with no salary cap), in favor of buying into leagues with greater cost controls and income potential. Would it shock anyone if they sold the Red Sox and bought an NFL and/or an NBA team?
For what it’s worth, Simmons is insistent that they’re buying into the NBA - specifically a yet to be announced expansion team in Vegas.
 

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I’m kind of surprised at how much the tone here has shifted, apparently all because the team didn’t sign Boagerts? Was that surprising? I dunno, but it seems like there were some folks wondering what the teams plan was, who was part of the core, what they were building towards for a while now, but they were…Eeyores, right? Isn’t that the term? And now? Where have all the Chaim stans gone?

There were a ton of folks all in on what the Sox were doing, I gotta assume there’s at least some who still believe? Talk to us!
If you're going to flame people, you should probably at least be able to spell the name of the player you're pissed about losing.

I'm kind of agnostic about Bloom. He's an interesting guy with interesting ideas that I'd prefer he implement with another organization, but here he is. He was hired by management to do a bunch of wetwork and start over, he's doing it, it's messy, and, like any contracting job, it's running longer than desired. Some of the mess is because it's wetwork, duh, and some of it seems to be because he's screwed up while doing it. The X negotiations (dating back to last spring) are probably the most serious stain on my personal scorecard for him, and not because I really valued keeping X.

For all we know, keeping X here wasn't a part of The Process, JH knew and was on board with that, and the only way X was coming back was on terms very favorable to the team. But the blow-by-blow (as reported, anyways) about the progression of the negotiations, his public statements about X and the bargaining, and (particularly) the team's flat-footed response when X walked all projected the message "we fucked up."
 
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I’m kind of surprised at how much the tone here has shifted, apparently all because the team didn’t sign Boagerts? Was that surprising? I dunno, but it seems like there were some folks wondering what the teams plan was, who was part of the core, what they were building towards for a while now, but they were…Eeyores, right? Isn’t that the term? And now? Where have all the Chaim stans gone?

There were a ton of folks all in on what the Sox were doing, I gotta assume there’s at least some who still believe? Talk to us!
I'd say the tone here has shifted because some really vocal people have turned every thread into a collective wail and actual productive posting isn't really happening much atm.

I was always in for more Xander on reasonable terms, but I'm not sad that he's walked, given the market. That sort of deal doesn't make sense given his age, where the team is and what's in the pipeline. And I find any "they should have extended [boras client] earlier before the market went crazy!" cries tedious, truly.

I think a Devers extension is another matter entirely; if they're unable to get anything done with him I think that speaks loads more about ownership's priorities than Xander/Mookie. He's the guy that's still in prime years during the arrival of the farm (and through the Story/Yoshida contracts), and they've said as much before. I do think they need to be proactive in either extending him now or trading him though. We'll see if either happens.
 

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Yeah I think that’s fair. I guess, what do we think needs to happen for some faith in the organization to be restored? It seems like extending Devers is kind of a given to right the ship a bit. Would bringing back an Eovaldi, and a proven veteran or two (I’m firmly in the Turner camp), help to stabilize things a bit? Granted it’s early December so there’s not technically any real urgency here but it seems like the Sox need to change the narrative somehow, and reupping Raffy seems to be the only way to do it, right?
 

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It just feels like Chaim is trying to win free agent negotiations and won’t buckle to the pressure. Not a bad thing - but when dealing with star players that are crowd favorites, it’s not a good thing.

Xander’s deal was insane so I’m not saying he should have done that. But I’m a fan of the Braves method of extending early and often to create a core. We lack a core. We lack an identity. It makes them a bore.
 

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That’s exactly what I think that they’re gearing up for. They’re already selling Liverpool (which player costs are spiraling in the big UEFA countries), and I think that they’re going to do the same thing in baseball (a league with no salary cap), in favor of buying into leagues with greater cost controls and income potential. Would it shock anyone if they sold the Red Sox and bought an NFL and/or an NBA team?
They've already been cited as possibly buying the Commanders from Snyder.
 

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Yeah I think that’s fair. I guess, what do we think needs to happen for some faith in the organization to be restored? It seems like extending Devers is kind of a given to right the ship a bit. Would bringing back an Eovaldi, and a proven veteran or two (I’m firmly in the Turner camp), help to stabilize things a bit? Granted it’s early December so there’s not technically any real urgency here but it seems like the Sox need to change the narrative somehow, and reupping Raffy seems to be the only way to do it, right?
Step 1: resign Devers, complete roster in whichever way FO deems best
Step 2: win baseball games
Step 3: there is no step 3
 

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I was cautiously optimistic for a long time. Even though the Mookie trade hurt immensely I understood the thought process behind it. I was patient as they built the pipeline instead of focusing on Major League talent. I even gave them the benefit of the doubt throughout the terrible beginning of 2022, the bad injury luck and the deficient bullpen. Then came the trade deadline, where they dumped key clubhouse guys and somehow did not get under the luxury tax (which I still do not understand). I lost some faith but I also didn't hate the trades and figured they wanted to send some of message that they weren't giving up. Then came a galactic misreading of the Free Agent market and the inability to sign a franchise cornerstone who actually wanted to be here. The clear inability to seal the deal, to keep a continuity from Ortiz>Pedroia>Xander>Raffy and the next great Red Sox team. The inability to see the value in that. I don't see any plan. I went from 60% at the beginning of this offseason to 20% post Xander leaving. They have lost my faith entirely. A Correa signing is the only thing that would change my mind and I don't see it as part of the organizational philosophy nor palatable for ownership.

If Devers isn't extended, this FO deserves all the vitriol and scorn they will garner. It will be strike 3 for me. Ownership deserves a lot of this too. With a $3Bn valuation they should be extending homegrown stars.
 

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That’s exactly what I think that they’re gearing up for. They’re already selling Liverpool (which player costs are spiraling in the big UEFA countries), and I think that they’re going to do the same thing in baseball (a league with no salary cap), in favor of buying into leagues with greater cost controls and income potential. Would it shock anyone if they sold the Red Sox and bought an NFL and/or an NBA team?
Honest question: how does a 3-5 year projection of a team's player payroll affect the valuation of a franchise? There are so many other variables in play (geography, real estate, etc) that it seems like it shouldn't really be much of a factor.
 

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If Devers isn't extended, this FO deserves all the vitriol and scorn they will garner. It will be strike 3 for me. Ownership deserves a lot of this too. With a $3Bn valuation they should be extending homegrown stars.
Ownership probably deserves most of it. They hired a guy to rebuild but keep trying to make it look like they're reloading, and they look ridiculous doing it.
 

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I'll never get completely comfortable with the Mookie trade, and the execrable return for a superstar remains galling.

X was gone as soon as they signed Story, despite management's protestations after X put together a superstar season in his walk year.

The handling of the trade deadline and winding up over the tax threshold was indefensible. Please don't try to tell me you've got a plan and then have your last-place team wind up over the cap.

I also worry about a "plan" that includes signing a slow-to-pitch closer with problems holding runners on when the pitch clock and larger bases are about to enter the game.

I ultimately think the plan is to try to be the Rays North with the occasional splurge. But that only works when your farm system churns out stars, your scrap-pile finds often work out, you make productive trades and your "splurges" wind up being worthwhile. Chaim's got a ways to go.
 

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I'll never get completely comfortable with the Mookie trade, and the execrable return for a superstar remains galling.

X was gone as soon as they signed Story, despite management's protestations after X put together a superstar season in his walk year.

The handling of the trade deadline and winding up over the tax threshold was indefensible. Please don't try to tell me you've got a plan and then have your last-place team wind up over the cap.

I also worry about a "plan" that includes signing a slow-to-pitch closer with problems holding runners on when the pitch clock and larger bases are about to enter the game.

I ultimately think the plan is to try to be the Rays North with the occasional splurge. But that only works when your farm system churns out stars, your scrap-pile finds often work out, you make productive trades and your "splurges" wind up being worthwhile. Chaim's got a ways to go.
Probably could have stopped here. Bloom's legacy here will be as good as the players he brings to Fenway; if and when those guys arrive, he's going to have a much bigger budget to work with, avoiding the need to round out the roster with scrapheap guys. Last year's trade deadline was ugly and the X negotions were farcical, but Marcelo Mayer's footwork is more important than both. Chaim can't make that happen faster.
 

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0%. Chaim Bloom is a charlatan who was propped up by the people working for him in Tampa. He brought none of those people with him since he was not allowed to and here you see the results. A fluke playoff run and otherwise abject misery. Oh and hitting the eject button on 2 of the most popular players for the franchise in the last 20 years. Soon to be 3 of.

The sooner this guy is gone and an actual baseball person put in his place, the better.
 

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I voted 20% - I think there was a plan, and it didn’t work. I have in no way lost faith in FSG however.

They have brought me (and I assume many others) literally 400% more joy in sports than I ever thought possible back in 2003. They’ve also done it with 4 different leaders of the front office (Theo, Cherington, Dombrowski and Bloom). They’ve also won in 3 wildly different ways. 2004 and 2007 were very similar in terms of the core (Ortiz, Manny, Varitek, Schilling, Youkilis and having another “ace” paired with Schilling, in the man with the literal right arm of God and then Josh Beckett.) 2013 had Ortiz - obviously a huge carry over, Pedroia and a veteran Lester but was a much different approach than the prior titles. 2018 had Bogaerts from the 2013 team, and I think that may literally have been all, at least off the top of my head.

I also don’t think of their ”changing course” as a bad thing the way some frame it as. They may have an idea in mind, and when it fails they change it - they haven‘t let it ruin the franchise. 2003-2009:was an incredible run. We all remember the wild pendulum swing from early 2011 to the end of that year to the Bobby V debacle to the borderline miracle that was 2013. 2018 was a wagon all year, and I think the 2nd “best” of the four title teams (a team could literally go 162-0, not lose a game on the way to a title and I’d STILL put them behind 2004, what can I say) and had almost nothing in common with the previous three.

Dombrowski couldn’t be more different than Cherington, Bloom couldn’t be more different than Dombrowski. But the point is that FSG has in the past recently “drastically changed course” with front office leaders far more tenured (and successful) than Bloom.

I was very excited when Bloom was hired, I thought he would be a continuation of Theo and Cherington - I bet FSG did too - and he hasn’t been. At least to this point.

Do I think Bloom is smart enough to change his plan (because this one is not working, at least assuming the goal is being a sustained winner), yes, I actually do. There are a lot of things they could do through the rest of this off season to make me believe the current front office is capable of changing course. Heck, he could just make under the radar moves and have them all work out. I find it unlikely because even the 2021 team had a core this one will not (Bogaerts, Martinez, Eovaldi, Vazquez), so I think a drastic overhaul is more necessary than it was even two years ago.

Luckily I also believe that if we go into a year with as terrible a pitching staff as we had last year, an offense that looks as putrid as this one presently does and have not re-signed Devers, FSG will make drastic changes and they’ll do it before the trade deadline if the season goes as poorly as one would expect based on anything approaching the present roster being the finished product heading into Spring Training.

They have in the past, I think they will here too, and that is - in my opinion - a sign (not an indictment) of good, strong leadership. That is why I have no faith in the current plan, but I have a ton of faith that either a) the “front office” plan will change or more likely b) plenty of faith in ownership to bring in a ”front office” with a new plan. Very soon.
 

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I guess my question is, if this is the plan working then what is the goal of the plan? Because we've not seen anything that looks like a successful "the team is in shape to make a run" or "the team is in shape to be a consistent contender over the ling term" strategy. If one or both of those is the plan, well I don't feel crazy for saying I'm not seeing results in alignment with that kind of goal. Since I'm not yet in a camp that believes FSG is going to sell the team or intentionally hobble it as some kind of mediocre profit machine, I have to conclude the plan's not working.
 

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0%. Chaim Bloom is a charlatan who was propped up by the people working for him in Tampa. He brought none of those people with him since he was not allowed to and here you see the results. A fluke playoff run and otherwise abject misery. Oh and hitting the eject button on 2 of the most popular players for the franchise in the last 20 years. Soon to be 3 of.

The sooner this guy is gone and an actual baseball person put in his place, the better.
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Looks like Cotillo was able to do interview with Bloom:
View: https://twitter.com/ChrisCotillo/status/1601439093204078592

Just had a lengthy conversation with Chaim Bloom about Xander Bogaerts... much to come from it on @masslivesports but I did ask him how he squares being the executive who traded Mookie Betts and let Xander Bogaerts go. In part:
"I knew there were going to be a number of hard decisions and there were going to be some things we’d do that we’re going to take some shit for. Bottom line is that this to me is about winning and I don’t care how much shit I take if it gets the organization where it needs to go"


View: https://twitter.com/ChrisCotillo/status/1601438484581208069
Bloom said the Red Sox pretty much knew Bogaerts was going elsewhere all day Wednesday and even had that sense Tuesday. There was no feeling within the org that they had made any progress even though reports were publicly flying saying so.
That's no disrespect to the reporters who put those things out, by the way, it's more a great reminder that negotiating through the media is a very real thing. My take (not Bloom's): Without question, rumors of Sox push were to drive price up.
View: https://twitter.com/ChrisCotillo/status/1601441367971926016

When did the Red Sox know?

"It was not the tweet. We had a good sense of where it was headed for some time before the deal was actually done. I know what was reported, but that was definitely not what our impression was throughout the day and even the day before."
View: https://twitter.com/ChrisCotillo/status/1601441570511024128

who was the one leaking that the sox were close then?

Boras?
 
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I kind of get the sense that Sox ownership wanted Bloom to be the next Andrew Friedman (analytics guy who was able to shift approach when he went to a team with a bigger budget such that they could both develop young talent AND acquire star players) but instead they got a guy who still operates like he’s on the Rays.

It’s kind of frustrating how the Sox have swung wildly between the (relative) penny-pinching of Cherington to the free-spending of Dombrowski and now back to penny-pinching. It doesn’t seem like it should be THAT hard to find a GM that both understands the value of stars AND that can still plan for future and not overload the team with a bunch of albatross contracts.