Pineda onto DL with forearm strain
- Thread starter jon abbey
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Per the beat writers, the Yankees expect him to pitch again this season. But like Mark Feinsand pointed out, hard to compare it to Miller who only needed one rehab appearance of 20 pitches. Pineda will presumably need multiple starts.
Hard to see him contributing much the rest of the season.
Warren back to the rotation? Severino up?
Hard to see him contributing much the rest of the season.
Warren back to the rotation? Severino up?
LuckyBen said:
I mean, he'd be a rental like Cueto and Price, as he's a FA after the season, but obviously he's not in the category of those two. I think the best prospect Cashman would be OK with moving is Gary Sanchez since he's blocked, maybe him and a couple of the hard-throwing relievers who NY seems to have an endless supply of (Goody? Rumbelow? Jose Ramirez?)?
If they could somehow get both Leake and Chapman in a combined deal, that would really shore up the staff but I doubt Cashman wants to give up enough to make that happen.
Leake to the Giants. Maybe one of the Padres pitchers? Maybe take Shields' contract? Will be interesting to see what they do.
Question: Is Mitchell any good? Can he become a starter or is a bullpen piece? Just want to know more about him as I know nothing.
Question: Is Mitchell any good? Can he become a starter or is a bullpen piece? Just want to know more about him as I know nothing.
Mitchell has looked quite promising, yeah, but he's been jerked around a fair amount this season between the bigs and AAA, as well as the rotation and the bullpen. NY has refused to include him in deals the last few years, Kylie McDaniel says here (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/evaluating-the-prospects-new-york-yankees/) in a preview scouting report for the season that Mitchell reminds him of Chris Tillman.
You can see here from his AAA gamelogs what a groove he was settling into in AAA in June before they called him to work sporadic innings out of the bullpen in the bigs:
http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=571951#/gamelogs/R/pitching/2015/MINORS
He is the obvious choice to take Pineda's spot in a rotation barring a trade (Moreno too, but he can't go until Sunday and NY wants someone on Saturday), which is looking increasingly unlikely as Cashman seems to be hoping guys will just give him their players (admittedly this has somehow worked in previous seasons, but it's not going well so far this deadline).
You can see here from his AAA gamelogs what a groove he was settling into in AAA in June before they called him to work sporadic innings out of the bullpen in the bigs:
http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=571951#/gamelogs/R/pitching/2015/MINORS
He is the obvious choice to take Pineda's spot in a rotation barring a trade (Moreno too, but he can't go until Sunday and NY wants someone on Saturday), which is looking increasingly unlikely as Cashman seems to be hoping guys will just give him their players (admittedly this has somehow worked in previous seasons, but it's not going well so far this deadline).
My prediction as of now is that Cashman will finally cave and give up Mateo (SD supposedly wants a SS), he's years away and Gregorius has really seemed to blossom in recent months and is only 25. Judge and Bird I get not wanting to move no matter what, as they are the obvious fill-ins for Beltran and Teixeira respectively, but Mateo is farther away (still in low A) and maybe not as essential given Didi's emergence. Plus they have all of those potential SSs they signed in the international period last year, those guys can't be too far behind Mateo, I guess.
So in exchange for a package led by Mateo along with some B prospects, NY gets Ross and Kimbrel, leaving them with a current pitching staff along these lines:
Tanaka
Eovaldi
Ross
Nova
Sabathia or Warren or Mitchell (Pineda once he returns)
Moreno
Mitchell or Warren
Shreve
Wilson
Betances
Miller
Kimbrel
That is one crazy bullpen, to go along with a very unsure rotation. However, I'm pretty sure everyone there is under control for 2016, so if you add Severino to that batch (Tanaka/Pineda/Ross/Eovaldi/Severino/Nova), you have a potentially better situation next year as well as the ability to let Nova leave in FA after 2016 if they want.
The question of how to handle the Sabathia situation continues to loom over this team, it's amazing they've been as successful as they have with him still in the rotation every five days.
So in exchange for a package led by Mateo along with some B prospects, NY gets Ross and Kimbrel, leaving them with a current pitching staff along these lines:
Tanaka
Eovaldi
Ross
Nova
Sabathia or Warren or Mitchell (Pineda once he returns)
Moreno
Mitchell or Warren
Shreve
Wilson
Betances
Miller
Kimbrel
That is one crazy bullpen, to go along with a very unsure rotation. However, I'm pretty sure everyone there is under control for 2016, so if you add Severino to that batch (Tanaka/Pineda/Ross/Eovaldi/Severino/Nova), you have a potentially better situation next year as well as the ability to let Nova leave in FA after 2016 if they want.
The question of how to handle the Sabathia situation continues to loom over this team, it's amazing they've been as successful as they have with him still in the rotation every five days.
jon abbey said:
I don't expect anything dramatic, but if we stand pat, we are, this year, what I have always despised: a team that's fine with just making the playoffs and has no real interest in winning it all unless they just get very lucky.
Couperin47 said:
You keep saying things along those lines, but I'm pretty sure we would have all signed up for that at the start of the season, assuming it's even what happens. NY doesn't have enough prospects to move some of the top ones and undercut their longer-term rebuilding process, and it looks like there were very few bargains to be had this deadline.
jon abbey said:
oh, no question. I expected that Tex's wrist, after 2 years, , was now a chronic problem and he'd never be anything but a faint echo of what he had been. I expected less than nothing from Arod. Some aggressive moves on pitching could really make this a winning year....yeah I'm spoiled by our history.
It is a strange balance, as odds are pretty high they'll never get this kind of production from A-Rod/Tex again, but that doesn't seem worth mortgaging the next five years (a slight exaggeration, but you get it). I think Cashman expected to be able to pick guys up cheaply like he did last year (McCarthy, Prado, Headley), but that wasn't the market this year.
Whew, glad this didn't happen, Gyorko is dead money:
https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/status/627213285033705472
Jon Heyman
yankees were willing to put in jorge mateo and take back gyorko and eat a good part of it to get kimbrel. pads said no.
https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/status/627213285033705472
Jon Heyman
yankees were willing to put in jorge mateo and take back gyorko and eat a good part of it to get kimbrel. pads said no.
Go with the kids over the next two years. Severino into the rotation next week. Screw the innings limit. Send the Minnesota dentist on a safari to bag CC.
Some context on that:
"• Michael Pineda is going to start throwing tomorrow. It’s been basically a week since the forearm injury. “Now I’m feeling good,” Pineda said. “I had five days rest so I’m doing my treatment and continuing my work so now we follow the program.”
• Even with Pineda starting to throw, he’s still a long way from pitching in games. “We have dates locked in for side sessions and stuff like that,” Cashman said. “You’re not going to see him pitching for us in Major League games here in August. Obviously September is when we plan on unleashing him again at some point. We’ll get him back and expect, just like Miller, expect him back pitching for us again.”"
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2015/08/04/pregame-notes-257/
"• Michael Pineda is going to start throwing tomorrow. It’s been basically a week since the forearm injury. “Now I’m feeling good,” Pineda said. “I had five days rest so I’m doing my treatment and continuing my work so now we follow the program.”
• Even with Pineda starting to throw, he’s still a long way from pitching in games. “We have dates locked in for side sessions and stuff like that,” Cashman said. “You’re not going to see him pitching for us in Major League games here in August. Obviously September is when we plan on unleashing him again at some point. We’ll get him back and expect, just like Miller, expect him back pitching for us again.”"
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2015/08/04/pregame-notes-257/
Pineda's hiatus could be viewed as a positive as it limits his innings and perhaps brings him back fresh for the most important part of the season. He is at 118 innings right now. If he gets five starts in September, at six innings per start, that puts him around 150. Maybe he gets 30 more in the postseason, max.
Had he not been hurt, Pineda would have been looking at more than 200 innings in 2015.
Had he not been hurt, Pineda would have been looking at more than 200 innings in 2015.
Pineda may be back sooner than expected, his bullpen session today went well and he will start in AA on Sunday against a first place Reading team (PHI affiliate) who have won nine in a row and are evidently loaded.
Edit: Now I see he is only slated for 45 pitches, so my guess is that the plan is for three rehab starts (16th, 21st, 26th) and to activate him as part of a six man rotation (assuming everyone stays healthy until then) on Sept 1.
Edit: Now I see he is only slated for 45 pitches, so my guess is that the plan is for three rehab starts (16th, 21st, 26th) and to activate him as part of a six man rotation (assuming everyone stays healthy until then) on Sept 1.
Thanks for the updates, Jon. You called the Bird thing last night before it happened.
Too bad you can't start a winning game thread!
Too bad you can't start a winning game thread!
