- Apr 12, 2005
Tiger's combined score of 130 on the weekend (66-64) is the lowest in the history of the PGA championship since it went to stroke play in 1958. He's back.
While Winning golf tournaments is everything to Tiger, you get the feeling that Brooks doesn’t even like golf that much.
Forgot about Kisner, but agreed. Certainly a good problem to have. Forget where I heard it recently, someone said a 12 v. 12 Ryder Cup is awesome and competitive, but 24 v. 24 would be a US bloodbath.I’d go with Kisner over Finau, but think either or Xander would be excellent picks
I think one difference is that Tiger wasn't his major challenger throughout the round, he was more focused on his playing partner until the very end. So while the roars were definitely out there, he just focused on outplaying Scott, which I think helped him. Either way, incredibly impressive round from Koepka, he is just a machine in these majors. I'm a big fan.Take Brooks out of the equation and replaced him with someone who would have been effected by the roars one hole ahead and Tiger probably wins. So what Brooks did is truly remarkable and shouldn’t be overlooked..
Seems that way until you're in the final group with Tiger and there are 10 thousand people within spitting distance and they all want you to fail. Brooks probably should be scared of Tiger. He is better than Tiger right now, but playing with Scott made it easier for him. If he hit a couple more good drivers we probably aren't creating hypotheticals tho.It's not necessarily the nerves as much as the distraction.
I do agree though, Brooks looks unflappable.
And it...was...AWESOME!My summary of this thread:
Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger
(other golfers on Thursday and Friday)
Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger
(the course isn't great)
(why am I watching Phil?)
Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger
Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger TIGER TIGER TIGER Tiger Tiger Tiger TIGER! TIGER! TIGER! TIGER!!! TIGER!!! TIGER!!! TIGER!!! Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger TIGER TIGER TIGER!
(Koepka sucks and we hate him)
Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger Tiger
I'm so, so out of step with SoSH when it comes to golf, to the point that I'm probably done commenting about golf here or even reading the golf forums. (Don't worry - I'm not under any presumption that I would be missed.) You guys had me actually rooting for Koepka to win on Sunday, which I never thought would happen.If anything I'm rooting for Tiger even more next year just to go up Conigliaros ass.
I'm not even quoting his post because it's so horrendous, but it really is a breathtakingly large number of words to say absolutely nothing.That's a lot of words to say that you think you're a better golf fan than most here. Tiger quite objectively made golf cool. People like cheering exclusively for him because of that connection, something that hasn't come close to anyone else on Tour. You don't have that connection but I'm not sure why you are turning your nose up at those that do. And then the martyrdom at the end is a bit much.
And yet he doesn’t love golf enough to follow the rules.That's a lot of words to say that you think you're a better golf fan than most here. Tiger quite objectively made golf cool. People like cheering exclusively for him because of that connection, something that hasn't come close to anyone else on Tour. You don't have that connection but I'm not sure why you are turning your nose up at those that do. And then the martyrdom at the end is a bit much.
Hey cshea, how DARE you root for the most compelling golfer of all time, in a major, one shot off the lead, one year and change after his fourth spinal surgery. The focus should have been on Jason Day.Tiger was one of 3-4 players who had a legitimate chance to win the golf tournament on the back 9. We’re we not supposed to talked about that? Or is it just the rooting for him, which was pretty well explained in the other thread?
@johnmd20I'm so, so out of step with SoSH when it comes to golf, to the point that I'm probably done commenting about golf here or even reading the golf forums. (Don't worry - I'm not under any presumption that I would be missed.) You guys had me actually rooting for Koepka to win on Sunday, which I never thought would happen.
Thinking that anyone is telling you that you must like and/or root for Tiger Woods seems to be a highly inaccurate reading of this thread. Thinking that you are being called out for your yearning for a sense of golf purity that never actually existed in the first place is probably a more accurate reading.The responses to my post and the nonsense many of you read into it - everything from racism to martyrdom to saying that I'm a better golf fan than you are (when I specifically said the opposite) - would seem to indicate that I'm making the right decision not to participate in golf-related discussions here. If you can't agree with "It's OK to be different" and want to INSIST that I have to love Tiger Woods to be a golf fan, then what else is there to say?
It's literally the opposite of this.If you can't agree with "It's OK to be different" and want to INSIST that I have to love Tiger Woods to be a golf fan, then what else is there to say?
I thought he had his stinger when he came back. He was hitting it in the Bahamas, and then suddenly is was just gone. Now the stinger is a 2 iron and it's just not the same. Hopefully in the offseason he gets his woods working.The shot he had back then, and doesn't seem to have right now is the 3 wood stinger off the tee. When Tiger couldn't hit his driver, he'd put it back in his bag, forget about it and just stripe 3 woods down the middle of the fairway 280+ yards. If he can find that shot again, or maybe do the same with a driving iron, and only have to pull out driver 4-5 times a round....Be ready world.
I think we saw Tiger's effect on Spieth at the British even when they weren't in the same group. BK seems pretty chill, but I don't think Spieth or JT are elevating their play in that situation.I'm actually waiting for the day that Tiger is in the last group with a young stud. A Spieth, Brooks, JT, etc... I actually think they'll rise to the occasion. Someone said it up thread but I agree. They'll say to themselves "You had your time old man, It's my turn".
Are the strokes gained stats independent of each other? Is he really the 31st best putter or is it really worse than that because his approach shots are so good?Tiger’s ball striking has been insanely good all year. His week at the Memorial was something like his best statistical ball striking week he’s ever had, he just couldn’t hit a putt to save his life (and that was the last time we saw the Scotty).
Strokes gained off the tee: 127th
Strokes gained approach: 4th
Proximity to the hole from the fairway: T17
Strokes gained around the green: 9th
Total strokes gained tee to green: 6th
Strokes gained putting: 31st
If/when he figures out a way to just be average and not lose shots off the tee, he’ll win and he’ll win a lot. Bellerive kinda requires the driver, as he said many times “Brooksy is out there 340 and in the middle” so he was trying to keep up. The course played long and soft so the stingers weren’t getting the same run out they normally would. Even as good as his ball striking is, it is hard to win hitting approaches in from 200+ when the guy you are chasing is hitting 9 irons and wedges all day. The leaderboard ended up mostly being bombers. Cink ended up really being the only non-bomber in the mix.
I'll echo this and ask that you reconsider. I'm a Tiger fan but appreciate the perspective and wealth of knowledge that you bring. Don't let the instant criticism get you down. You have readers here who appreciate what you bring to the table.@johnmd20
Well, you were my favorite contributor here. Your posts were very entertaining, truly splendid. I'm certain there are many others that greatly enjoyed your posts. I understand your sentiments on this. Some of the Woods fan boy posts were embarrassing (e.g. did Brooks just take an oral HGH?). Most of the posters here are quite good, the noise from the Woods cheering section can drown that out at times.
I couldn't stay away from the tournament because I'm a golf fan and watching major championships is what I do. But I mostly wish I hadn't bothered - the internet-only Eleven Sports broadcast here in the UK was truly horrendous, mixing randomly between the CBS commentary feed, the world feed (which I didn't know existed), and the UK commentator team (presenter Dominik Holyer and tour pro Jamie Donaldson, along with a man and a woman on the ground at Bellerive) in a very unsatisfactory way, and apparently the desktop feed crashed just before Koepka made the winning putt, so a lot of people missed the end of the tournament. And the new-look Bellerive wasn't terrible, but the standards I expect of major championship venues are way higher than "not terrible".Hell, you're the guy that insisted he wasn't going to watch on the weekend because of the course it was being played at.
[QUOTE="You think Brooks comes back from back to back bogies with Tiger breathing down his neck instead of Scott? "
I think so. The roars of the crowd, it would have been impossible for him to tune out what was going on. The guy is a cold blooded champion. This was going to happen. A 28 year old buck comes along and is not scared. He can look at that red shirt and think, "old man, I am better than him."
The volume of discussion certainly goes up when he's playing but there is a fairly active discussion most weeks. We have dedicated threads for every major and Ryder Cup (heck, even president's Cup) and have for a number of years, most of which Tiger has been absent.And the nature of the golf discussion at SoSH is that there's barely any discussion if Tiger isn't on the prowl. So what's the point?
And today there's a ton of parity between Dustin Johnson, Jordan Speith, Rory Mcilroy, Justin Thomas, Brooks Koepka, Rickie Fowler; guys who show up a few times a year like Adam Scott and Henrik Stenson; even up and comers like Rahm, and aging guys Like Phil, Sergio, and TigerThere was real parity between Ballesteros, Norman, Watson, Kite, Strange, Faldo, Lyle, the aging Nicklaus and Floyd, and many others back then
I read this and think that longer drives are a very natural evolution of the game. I would ask you, looking back, how would you have liked the game to evolve? Every sport has. Look at MLB with all of the guys throwing 100 mph, or the NFL with the spread passing attack and the disappearance of the "3 yards and a cloud of dust. To me, PGA tour pros hitting 300 + regularly is a natural evolution.300-yard drives also meant something in the 1980s - that was a massive blow, not the PGA Tour average, and really short hitters like Corey Pavin and Mike Reid could not only survive but also thrive to some extent.
You say you massively respect his career yet you have spent a few posts lamenting the way the game is played today. The way it's played today is a direct result of his success. He's the reason the guys are hitting longer, he's the reason tech has exploded, he's the reason the life of a tour pro is luxurious, he's the reason crowds at nearly all PGA events have swollen.I'd hope, though, that Tiger's ardent fans might try a little harder to understand how someone can massively respect Tiger's career and his current comeback and still find reasons not to root for him.
How do you enjoy it today? You seem to not like the way any of the young guys play or the way courses have set up (or been forced to set up) Back in '97, you could certainly make a case that you didn't like Tiger because he overpowered the courses / tour and it wasn't as intriguing to you. But today, his style of play is the absolute norm. I get that you miss guys who played when you were young. I know I'll miss watching some of these guys when they get older but the game is what it is today so how do you enjoy it? Do you enjoy watching the web.com type tours? Senior Tours? Ladies tours?I know I'm a dinosaur, and few if any SoSHers enjoy golf as I seem to enjoy it - which, again, is perfectly fine by me.